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ChristianWithLyme
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Posted 2/11/2021 7:39 PM (GMT -7)
Here's something I heard about today. I don't know what their stance is. GLA.

https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/wn_mdu1wbvesbeojemyecfp7a?utm_medium=email&_hsmi=110715728&utm_content=110715728&utm_source=hs_email
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skinny_joe
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Posted 2/11/2021 8:05 PM (GMT -7)
So how come the people who took the trials have not been DEPOPULATED. The first mRNA vaccines were given to doctors starting mid December. So in another month there will be no doctors? Its certainly possible the vaccines may have adverse effects but no government has displayed any efficiency in the operation to DEPOPULATE.
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Posted 2/13/2021 3:47 PM (GMT -7)

ChristianWithLyme said...
Search HOW THE DEPOPULATION MRNA VACCINES WILL START WORKING IN 3-6 MONTHS (DR. SHERRI TENPENNY). On Bit chute.com (no space). It was Dr. Sherry Tenpenny.

Pfizer phase 1/2 trial was published on August 12, 2020. That is more than 7+ months ago.
https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-020-2639-4

Sooo ....where are the dead?!

You see the problem with these people that write this garbage online is that they are not very good liars...

ChristianWithLyme said...

I do think that vaccines do much more harm than we are told to think they do and think that there are MUCH better ways to combat Covid.

well that is your own personal opinion, and we respect it here, but it is not based on reality. my personal opinion is vaccines especially the mrna ones, are a huge scientific breakthrough that will cure many diseses beyond covid. and that is based on evidence, biontech was doing cancer research before covid hit.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03072-8


speaking about reality vs fantasy: israel is already seeing a big drop in cases after vacccinating most of its population. havent heard of them being "depopulated" by the vaccine either...
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potsnpans
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Posted 2/14/2021 8:18 PM (GMT -7)
Horowitz is recommending the mRNA vaccines to his patients.. favors current safety data over risk of developing long covid through infection.

https://www.facebook.com/drrichardhorowitz/posts/3696155770473194
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ChristianWithLyme
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Posted 2/15/2021 8:20 AM (GMT -7)
The problem is that no matter how many people die from or are damaged by the vaccines, the Communists and big pharma are going to be pushing propaganda and suppression. I do know that Communists and big pharma are very good liars. Much of our mainstream media is now controlled by these factions.

How do we know that some of the autoimmune conditions, autism, etc. we already have are not caused or contributed to by vaccines?

Dr. Lee Merrit said that Taiwan has a different way of finding out what is correct news. They don't listen to the news China is blaring out. They look at the social media and whatever posts are being flagged, that is what they are more likely to believe to be the truth. This is happening in our country also. Pay attention to what is being suppressed. It just might have some truth to it.

It may very well be that vaccines (for the most part) are going to make us a more sickly people, but those clamoring for power and money are not going to tell you that.

One thing we do know is that NAC, Vit. D, Vit. C, Zinc, Glutathione, Quercetin, ECGC, etc. would have an overall positive effect on the population.
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isitlyme
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Posted 2/15/2021 9:23 PM (GMT -7)
EXO-CD24 and IVERMECTIN will hit vaccine pharma big and hard, soon i hope.
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1yrinVA
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Posted 2/16/2021 7:11 AM (GMT -7)

ChristianWithLyme said...
The problem is that no matter how many people die from or are damaged by the vaccines, the Communists and big pharma are going to be pushing propaganda and suppression. I do know that Communists and big pharma are very good liars. Much of our mainstream media is now controlled by these factions.

Seriously, enough with the conspiracy theories. This is a health forum, not one for political conspiracy theories.

Plus, how can anyone actually believe stuff like this? If there was some kind of nefarious plot to harm the global population through vaccines, it would take the participation of thousands upon thousands of researchers, government and media officials, to develop/sign off on/execute the plan.

What conspiracy theorists don't understand is that people who work for the government, media, pharma companies are not some foreign species of faraway beings, they are regular people just like you and me with feelings and morals. Do you really believe not one of the thousands of people involved wouldn't have pangs of guilt and conscience and release studies/documents/meeting agendas documenting the alleged conspiracy? Yet, to conspiracy theorists, the lack of evidence makes no difference and the only people who know the "truth" are a few cranks on YouTube or the dark corners of the internet, who happen to have no inside connections or knowledge at all?

Seriously, to believe this stuff it's like someone has to never held a job or managed a project in their life. How hard is it to accomplish something with three people and keep even the most benign secrets? Let alone accomplishing something nefarious with thousands of people and keeping extremely serious secrets? It just doesn't make any sense.

Look, I get it, we've all been failed by mainstream medicine to some degree, otherwise we wouldn't be on here. But that doesn't mean the medical world is out to get us or deliberately trying to cause harm wherever they can for some nefarious purpose.

/End Rant
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isitlyme
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Posted 2/16/2021 6:14 PM (GMT -7)

1yrinVA said...

ChristianWithLyme said...


Look, I get it, we've all been failed by mainstream medicine to some degree, otherwise we wouldn't be on here. But that doesn't mean the medical world is out to get us or deliberately trying to cause harm wherever they can for some nefarious purpose.

/End Rant

I thing he is not speaking about the "mainstream medicine" or medical community, he is speaking about "big pharma".

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/mrna-vaccines-may-provide-lower-immunity-to-new-sars-cov-2-variants
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isitlyme
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Posted 2/16/2021 6:30 PM (GMT -7)
And as for BIG PHARMA lying to the public like 1yrinVA said, just for profit despite of people lives, just check in this video what MERCK did and reported about IVERMECTIN, a potential COVID treatment, on 4 februar, current year, a couple of weeks ago, and judge for your self about the thought "medical world is out to get us or deliberately trying to cause harm". I urge you and all just to check it here on youtube and let me tell you, MERCK is just a small example of the what the pharma is willing to do to avoid loosing money of for the profit. This is the real world we live in. This video proves all with papers and real evidence, where big pharma says there is no evidence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iqrcvuneau

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Girlie
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Posted 2/18/2021 9:39 AM (GMT -7)
My husband is scheduled for the vaccine today - wasn’t told which one.. we think it’s Pfizer.
-,we just heard on the news that 1/3 of our military has refused the vaccine.

He’s now having second thoughts.
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isitlyme
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Posted 2/18/2021 9:52 AM (GMT -7)

Girlie said...
My husband is scheduled for the vaccine today - wasn’t told which one.. we think it’s Pfizer.
-,we just heard on the news that 1/3 of our military has refused the vaccine.

He’s now having second thoughts.

There is a new variant around wish renders most of the vaccines useless. You can show the news reports to the ones who insist um giving it, plus you would risk taking the vaccine adverse events for... nothing. You would bem just drinking Walter with a litle poison in the bottom. Vaccines must be upgraded because the current ones are useless, dont believe anyone if someone tells you otherwise...


Just check gere:.
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/rpt-pfizer-says-south-african-073931314.html
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potsnpans
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Posted 2/18/2021 10:37 AM (GMT -7)

isitlyme said...
There is a new variant around wish renders most of the vaccines useless


Geez this is really a baseless claim, isitlyme. The article you linked to suggests that current vaccines may not work as well against the South African variant. Read it again. Here is an important quote:

"UTMB professor and study co-author Pei-Yong Shi said he believes the Pfizer vaccine will likely be protective against the variant."
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isitlyme
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Posted 2/18/2021 11:09 AM (GMT -7)
Postpans - just research it, but please research the new data since yesterday since all info before is bogus. And as for:

'said he believes the Pfizer"

Do you assume that "believes" is reliable? Common postpans..

Read the entire news report. Since it is a new variant discovered a few days ago, its impossible for ANYONE to say vaccines on this variant, are effective in humans. There are no trials. If you believe the so called "experts" saying it does like professor Yong shi, they are lying, because if there are no trials on the new variant, how could they not, its common sense..
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potsnpans
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Posted 2/18/2021 11:13 AM (GMT -7)

isitlyme said...
If you believe the so called "experts" saying it does like professor Yong shi, they are lying, because if there are no trials on the new variant, how could they not, its common sense..


That professor is a co-author of the study you are relying on to make your claim.
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Girlie
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Posted 2/18/2021 11:14 AM (GMT -7)
... and my LLMD told one of his patients “NO!!!” when she asked if he recommends she get the vaccine.

That’s enough to give me pause...as we all know my LLMD is not adverse to pharmaceuticals...lol.
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isitlyme
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Posted 2/18/2021 11:24 AM (GMT -7)

potsnpans said...

isitlyme said...
If you believe the so called "experts" saying it does like professor Yong shi, they are lying, because if there are no trials on the new variant, how could they not, its common sense..


That professor is a co-author of the study you are relying on to make your claim.

Exacly, postpans, just think for a moment, there are no trials or evidence that the vaccine works, so he is contradicting himself. Man, why are you talking about claims, what claims? Please do your own research and give evidences to everyone on here that the vaccines work against the new variant. We cannot full people in having a vaccine that at this time only gives a false sense of security on new variants plus its risking people with adverse events for nothing. Just recognise that the vaccines need to be upgraded and retrialed again. You know this..
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Posted 2/18/2021 11:30 AM (GMT -7)

Girlie said...
My husband is scheduled for the vaccine today - wasn’t told which one.. we think it’s Pfizer.
-,we just heard on the news that 1/3 of our military has refused the vaccine.

He’s now having second thoughts.

That does mean 66% are getting it. And I suspect after a second round when your pears have not dropped dead it will be close to 80%. Which isnt that bad. Once the emergency use classification is removed it would be required in the military in the US unless they make a exception.
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Posted 2/18/2021 12:02 PM (GMT -7)

isitlyme said...
Exacly, postpans, just think for a moment, there are no trials or evidence that the vaccine works, so he is contradicting himself.


No he's interpreting the results of his study and putting it in context with everything else that he knows.

isitlyme said...
Man, why are you talking about claims, what claims?


Your interpretation of his study's findings resulted in this claim from above:

"There is a new variant around wish renders most of the vaccines useless"

...another quote:

"Vaccines must be upgraded because the current ones are useless, dont believe anyone if someone tells you otherwise..."

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ChristianWithLyme
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Posted 2/18/2021 12:24 PM (GMT -7)
Even Facebook (where they censure anti-vaxxers) CEO Zuckerberg said the following on video:

"we just don't know the long-term side effects of basically modifying people's DNA with RNA."

Girlie, it's reported that 1/3 of US military have declined the vaccine also.
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potsnpans
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Posted 2/18/2021 12:28 PM (GMT -7)
The vaccines do not modify human dna.. they do not enter the nucleus of the cell
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Girlie
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Posted 2/18/2021 12:52 PM (GMT -7)

ChristianWithLyme said...
Even Facebook (where they censure anti-vaxxers) CEO Zuckerberg said the following on video:

"we just don't know the long-term side effects of basically modifying people's DNA with RNA."

Girlie, it's reported that 1/3 of US military have declined the vaccine also.

Hmmm.... I may be incorrect then...maybe what I read was 1/3 of US military...

They were screwed before - when they took Larium - in the Gulf War and came back with a lot of issues - they weren't informed of the side effects/risks.
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potsnpans
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Posted 2/18/2021 1:11 PM (GMT -7)
I don't know anything about Larium, and if they're basing their decisions on something factual then I think that's fine.

But i'm afraid people are mostly basing their decisions on inaccurate info such as "vaccines modify DNA", or "vaccines are useless against new variants". Surely those in the US military hear this stuff too.

...and just to be clear, I understand that there is no longterm safety data on the vaccines.
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WalkingbyFaith
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Posted 2/18/2021 1:51 PM (GMT -7)
It all boils down to who or what you believe - not to facts. Facts are only facts if they are 100% true. You call what you believe facts because that’s what you’re being told, and you believe it.

Some people simply feel they cannot believe for certain that what we’re being told is 100% true. They wonder are there facts or scientifically based hypotheses that are not being told. They are unsure if concerned questions on the part of scientists/researchers are being listened to and factually answered by those in charge of the vaccines, or if they are being silenced or dismissed for questioning the official line.

Information of various types is being censored on the internet, at least in the US, which only increases suspicions of thinking citizens that what they are being told is not trustworthy.

Like it or not, this isn’t all about science. Politics, influence, and world power are factors in this matter. Many people realize that and base their beliefs and actions on more than just what “facts” are presented in the form of science.
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Posted 2/18/2021 2:01 PM (GMT -7)

potsnpans said...
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But i'm afraid people are mostly basing their decisions on inaccurate info such as "vaccines modify DNA", or "vaccines are useless against new variants". Surely those in the US military hear this stuff too.

I don't know about the above....I just know that 'they' don't know the long term effects.
And I realize people want to be vaccinated to be safe.
My son is reprimanding me every time we talk....he's pro vaccine.


I know I prob sound a bit crazy - as I gulp down a handful of antibiotics to treat lyme and co's...but hesitate to get the vaccine. smile
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isitlyme
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Posted 2/18/2021 3:54 PM (GMT -7)

potsnpans said...
No he's interpreting the results of his study and putting it in context with everything else that he knows.

What? Are you even hearing yourself? Please be honest, the study he made was about "Researchers tested the engineered virus against blood taken from people who had been given the vaccine, and found a two-thirds reduction in the level of neutralizing antibodies compared with its effect on the most common version of the virus prevalent in U.S. trials."

Then he gives is own thoughts about it and says:

"However, UTMB professor and study co-author Pei-Yong Shisaid he BELIEVES the Pfizer vaccine will LIKELY be protective against the variant. We DONT KNOW what the minimum neutralizing number is. We DONT HAVE that cutoff line," he said, adding that he SUSPECTS the immune response observed is LIKELY

We would be all out of our minds, if we would take the words LIKELY, DONT KNOW, DONT HAVE, SUSPECTS, BELIEVES seriously or for granted. Are you? Without ANY trials? open your eyes



potsnpans said...
Your interpretation of his study resulted in this claim from above:

This claim here - > Moderna published a correspondence in NEJM on Wednesday with similar data previously disclosed else where that showed a six fold DROP!!!! antibody levels versus the South African variant.??

Am i reading well? Moderna published? Or ISITLYME published?? Who is making the claim? Wake up

Post Edited (isitlyme) : 2/18/2021 4:20:35 PM (GMT-7)

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