The trials for the shots were done before the Delta too, and I heard a doctor say recently that the current Covid shots were not created for the current Covid strain. As I see it, it's like taking a 2019 flu shot for the 2021 flu strain except that it's much more dangerous.
It's nothing like that.. influenza mutates much faster. The current covid vaccines are still very effective, though notably less so than they were against the original strain. I believe there are multiple reasons for this and that immune evasion is probably only a small contributor. But this stuff has been (and will continue to be) researched ad nauseam.. I'm not an expert, just mean to say that a better understanding is probably available to both of us.
Re: VAERS, the general consensus seems to be that AEs are underreported.
I think you're missing the point. People such as carlnpa are drawing conclusions from VAERS data that simply cannot be drawn. Many more steps need to be taken before the system's true utility can be realized.
If real world safety data is what you're after, here is a huge study with a control group
that was done in Israel:https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2110475
It was not blinded but it uses the best methods possible at this point to narrow in on the general safety of covid vaccines (this one being Pfizer). There are almost 900k participants in each group.
"The set of potential adverse events for the target trial was drawn from several relevant sources, including the VAERS
, BEST, and SPEAC frameworks, information provided by the vaccine manufacturer, and relevant scientific publications."
From the conclusion section: "The vaccine was associated with an excess risk of myocarditis (1 to 5 events per 100,000 persons)." That's probably the most alarming finding. Check out the rest if interested.
Deep_sleep: for "stroke or heart attack" see table 2. It lists "cerebrovascular accident" and "myocardial infarction" among the other adverse events that were monitored for. They should be stratified by age elsewhere in the paper
I honestly just skimmed through it but one thing that caught my attention was that in the vaccine group, some symptoms such as anemia and intracranial hemorrhage were reported less than
they were in the placebo group.. so this study appears to have caught some "unreported" benefits
to covid vaccination. These events were likely caused by undiagnosed sarscov2 infections. Control groups are super important!
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