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sunfun
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Posted 11/24/2021 12:57 PM (GMT -8)
Hello all,

So I think I’m going to try one of the tinctures on Dr I’d website but was confused which one to get. Was thinking of one of the neuro anti tox ones. Mainly want to get rid of the inflammation in my brain which I think is the reason for my symptoms (still researching on the cause). Main symptoms are severe hyperacusis and fatigue. I called Biologix center to ask which one to order and they said I have to be a patient in order receive any advise.

So I’m at my wits end because nothing is working and I’m getting worse, not better. Desperate to try anything at this point. Can someone help with which tincture to order? Many thanks!
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WalkingbyFaith
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Posted 11/25/2021 4:32 PM (GMT -8)
Deejavu knows a lot about the protocol. I know there were people using the NeuroAntitox II some years back. I just looked at the website. Looks like there’s 3 formulas - Cardio, CNS/PNS, Musculo. I am pretty sure the CNS/PNS was the one most people were talking about. From the description, the CNS/PNS sounds like the best fit for your symptoms.
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The Dude Abides
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Posted 11/25/2021 4:48 PM (GMT -8)
You can try calling or e-mailing Sara Jernigan:

https://www.jnutra.com/pages/questions-we-can-help

Maybe she can offer a quick reply without cost. A few years ago, I did a paid phone consult with her, before ordering and taking some of their products.
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Deejavu
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Posted 11/26/2021 4:07 AM (GMT -8)
Hi sunfun, so sorry you are suffering. WalkingbyFaith gave you good information as far as which Neuro-Antitox Formula to order (I agree based on your symptoms) which is the Neuro-Antitox CNS/PNS Formula.

For those who don't know about Hyperacusis: Do you have difficulty tolerating everyday sounds? Hyperacusis is characterized by decreased sound tolerance – an increased sensitivity to normal environmental sounds. This can have a significant impact on many aspects of a person’s life. It can disrupt a person’s career, dismantle their social life, and perhaps even rattle their peace of mind. Very normal activities like talking to a friend, watching TV, driving a car, or vacuuming your home may feel difficult, uncomfortable, or perhaps even impossible. Some people even find the sound of their own voice or their spouse’s voice intolerably loud.

How severe is your hyperacusis?

If you live with hyperacusis, you may feel like the whole world’s volume is unbearably and painfully high. High-pitched noises like alarms, babies crying, and glass breaking can cause pain and anxiety. You may experience physical pain in your ear or a feeling of fullness (pressure) that is especially irritating. In addition, many people find that tinnitus (ringing in the ears) accompanies their sensitivity to sound, and some also lose their dynamic range of hearing (the ability to deal with sudden changes in volume).

Types of Hyperacusis:

There are two types of hyperacusis: cochlear and vestibular. Cochlear, the most common form, causes pain in the ear, frustration, and a general feeling of intolerance to everyday sounds. Vestibular hyperacusis, on the other hand, causes feelings of nausea, dizziness, and imbalance when particular sounds are present. Both types of hyperacusis can cause anxiety, stress, depression, social isolation, and phonophobia (fear of normal sounds).

Lyme is one of the causes of hyperacusis according to this article:

https://www.soundrelief.com/hyperacusis/

Inflammation can also be caused by ammonia as well as diet (read below):

http://davidjernigan.blogspot.com/2010/12/alkaline-brain-dietary-concerns-in-lyme.html

While there are many people who have been helped by these alkaline diets and alkalinized water, it is likely that they did not have a significant accumulation of ammonia and therefore did not experience a worsening of their symptoms.

It appears that alkaline diets can aggravate the already over-alkaline, ammonia regions of their body: the brain, jaws, heart, and liver. The ammonia conditions must be cleared before addressing the more acidic regions of the body.

High protein foods such as grains and meat contain an amino-acid (the breakdown unit of protein) called L-arginine. L-arginine in foods and as a nutritional supplement should not be taken in cases of hyperammonemia. Research reveals that ammonia (NH3) + arginine + manganese = increased nitric oxide (NO) up to 53% in astrocytes (brain cells), leading to increased brain swelling. “Manganese in excess is neurotoxic and causes a CNS disorder that resembles Parkinson's disease (manganism). Manganese accumulates excessively in astrocytes, which renders these cells more vulnerable to its toxicity.”

Sunfun, if you are interested in reading Dr. Jernigan's free chapter here it is below in which he also writes about ammonia:

https://lymebook.com/david-jernigan-treatment-of-lyme-disease.htm

The Neuro-Antitox CNS/PNS formula can be ordered below (I suggest the version based in alcohol unless you have a severe adversion to alcohol then order the ACV base):

https://www.jnutra.com/collections/herbal-remedies/products/neuro-antitox-ii-cns-pns

Disclaimer: I have no financial interest in any supplement I have mentioned. I write about supplements due to the fact that I have taken them which in turn healed me from chronic lyme.

I hope this helps,
Denise
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sunfun
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Posted 11/26/2021 10:36 AM (GMT -8)
Walking by faith: thanks. I was also thinking the CNS/PNS one too but I also have fatigue which is something that is treated through the cardio tincture as well so that’s why I was confused. Leaning more towards the former.

Dude abides: thanks but at this point I can’t tolerate talking on the phone for a long period of time, it just makes me worse. So no consult for me sad

Deejavu thank you so much for the info! I don’t experience pain when exposed to sound, it’s just bothersome for me and then I experience a worsening of my fatigue the next day, it’s a delayed response to the exposure. At this time the hyperacusis is so severe that any type of sound is affecting me, normal talking, anything. Pretty much in isolation and feeling very alone in all of this. I want my health and life back desperately.

I was unsure of which tincture to take in terms of alcohol based or acv, I mean I guess both are strong and I am very sensitive. Wish it was in a vegetable glycerin base or something mild like
That. Anyway I guess I’ll go with alcohol one and mix it in juice or something to make it easy to take. Thank you for all of your help. Hope I can’t find something that works! Crossing fingers and praying.
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Posted 11/26/2021 11:33 AM (GMT -8)
if you are concerned about the alcohol you can put out the tincture dose in a glass ahead of time ( i do it when i take the last dose ) and place it on one of these small warming mats - most of the alcohol will evaporate in a few hrs
https://www.ebay.com/itm/252100111285?hash=item3ab2566bb5:g:xr4aaoswvl1waut0
i take A LOT of tinctures and would be permanently sozzled if i didn't do this !
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Deejavu
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Posted 11/26/2021 2:18 PM (GMT -8)
Hi sunfun, you are very welcome! What I did was similar to what Garzie did (minus the warming mat) since I'm a recovering alcoholic since 1985. I was taking both Borrelogen and the Neuro-Antitox CNS/PNS which I put 30 drops (I counted them) in a glass of water and let the "Jernigan cocktail" sit for 20 minutes and then I would drink it. I never had a reaction or felt any type of buzz or whatever word they use these days. I guess I'm getting old!

I would start slow and take only about 10 drops 3 times a day and see how you react. If all is fine then up it to 20 drops 3 times a day. I know a lady who went to Hansa (now Biologix) and had a huge amount of ammonia in her body. Dr. Jernigan worked on her for over 2 weeks just removing the ammonia from her body before he started treating her for lyme (he gave her about 6 times more than the normal dosage). She was misdiagnosed for over 30 years as she was told she had fibro. She had so much ammonia that her liver was shutting down and her brain was severely affected. She has been healed from all the damage for years now and is doing great!

You will get better too!

Hang in there,
Denise
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sunfun
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Posted 11/27/2021 11:48 AM (GMT -8)
Garzie thank you for the info! But now deejavu is saying that this can be achieved without a heating mat! LOL. What do I do?

Also I just tried to order the tincture (2 oz) and shipping alone is $35!! Why do Canadians suffer so much! Omg sad(((

Not sure if I should bite the bullet and just go ahead with it or try to get someone in the states to ship it to me, then I’ll have to wait longer sad(

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Garzie
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Posted 11/27/2021 2:29 PM (GMT -8)
if you are taking only 30 drops at a time - that is less than 1ml of tincture (or in imperial less than 1/30th of a fluid ounce) - so the amount of alcohol is negligible - less than 1/20th of one unit.

so unless you are one of these people who have super extreme reactions to everything - you really don't need to worry about it.

i am taking 40ml 4x a day - so about 8 units of alcohol per day if i were not evaporating the alcohol - so you can see in my case the heat mat is worth the effort
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Posted 11/28/2021 6:27 AM (GMT -8)
sunfun, if you want you can order it and put down my address in Vermont and I will ship it to you. My e-mail is enabled thus e-mail me if you want to do this. I'm more than happy to help! I can also give you quotes on shipping costs to Canada.

As far as the alcohol there is very little alcohol in these remedies.

A little trivia: Alcohol is an excellent solvent for herbs, because it can extract the compounds and active ingredients that aren’t water-soluble, such as essential oils, alkaloids and resins. It’s also the only edible solvent that can effectively extract the ingredients required.

Alcohol-based tinctures are also highly potent and concentrated, meaning only a very small dose is required to reap the benefits. In fact, everyday food items such as an overripe banana and fermented fruit and vegetables contain approximately the same amount of alcohol as a single dose of a liquid extract.

Denise
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Garzie
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Posted 11/28/2021 3:37 PM (GMT -8)
yep - even bread had 1-2% residual alcohol in it by weight - so a 40g slice of bread has more alcohol in it than 1ml of most alcohol based tinctures
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Posted 11/28/2021 6:47 PM (GMT -8)
“ sunfun, if you want you can order it and put down my address in Vermont and I will ship it to you. My e-mail is enabled thus e-mail me if you want to do this. I'm more than happy to help! I can also give you quotes on shipping costs to Canada. “

Dejavu - That is so nice of you !
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sunfun
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Posted 12/6/2021 1:00 PM (GMT -8)
So sorry I did not reply earlier! Deejavu thank you so so much for your kind offer! So sweet of you smile I found someone who will ship it to me. So I’m just waiting for them to receive it and then they will send it my way. Wish me luck!

Also 30 drops starting dose seems like a lot! I am Uber sensitive to everything now a days and have been starting at the lowest dose for whatever I try and slowly increasing from there as tolerable. So I was thinking to do the same for this tincture. I don’t want a massive herx, I’m already in pretty bad shape, doubt my body will be able to tolerate 30 drops to start.
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Posted 12/7/2021 11:18 AM (GMT -8)
Sunfun,

Hi. Looks like you are pretty well taken care of with the wise advice given here (and so nice of you DJV).

I just want to offer my two cents. My son and I were on the Jernigan herbs for a long while and they are wonderful. I am super, super sensitive to everything and Sarah Jernigan was so kind. She helped navigate me through which herbs were best (this was before my current LD doctors). She responded via email if phone is an issue for you.

Also want to say is I needed to start on 2-3 drops with everything. Not exaggerating. If I ever began on even ten drops it would make me herx. So start super slow and work yourself up. Great herbs, and great customer service. Feel good!
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Deejavu
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Posted 12/7/2021 3:47 PM (GMT -8)
Hi all, if I could help someone I don't mind at all. People helped me when I was sick so I know how it feels to need help, thus you are welcome sunfun!

Sunfun, as Huddie said everyone responds differently to different herbal remedies. I was super sensitive to Doxy and my stomach couldn't handle it which is why I turned to trying herbals (I had tried other herbals before Jernigan). For some strange reason I had no negative side effects to the Jernigan tinctures, in fact I upped the dose in the beginning.

But one never knows how they are going to react so it's best to start slow and see how you feel. You can always up the dose later on.

As far as herxes are concerned I believe from my own personal experience that detoxing is so important! If you have a tub start taking detox baths, if you don't try taking foot baths (some have put epsom salts and hydrogen peroxide in a big pot or whatever your feet will fit into). If toxins don't get removed from one's body and brain they keep circulating around just causing havoc.

Saunas are also great as well as dry skin brushing so your skin can breathe and believe it or not, I used to do coffee enema's. I also do a liver/gallbladder cleanse about twice a year to clean my insides. There are so many ways of detoxing and I find most of them beneficial.

Good luck and keep us posted on how you are doing okay?

Denise
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sunfun
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Posted 12/8/2021 12:33 PM (GMT -8)
Huddie thank you! Good to know she corresponds via email. Do you know where I can contact her? Have some questions.

Deejavu: thank you again. I’ve seen another herbalist but her tinctures caused major reactions so I had to stop. So here I am trying anything and everything to get relief because God knows I need it bad. So let’s see what happens. Fingers crossed
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Deejavu
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Posted 12/8/2021 12:56 PM (GMT -8)
Hi sunfun,

Yes, everyone reacts differently to tinctures. What I do know is that the ingredients in Jernigan's tinctures are very different compared to others. They are tested to see if they will work (I forgot how Dr. Jernigan tests them) but if I had the time I could probably find out.

Anyway, I'm not Huddie (obviously) and you can e-mail Dr. Sara Jernigan (found on the website):

Help@jnutra.com
(316) 371-8485

Company Hours:

Monday-Friday
10:00 A.M. -- 5:00 P.M. CST (Central Standard Time)

A 3rd option and possibly the best (I don't know since I never contacted her):

https://www.jnutra.com/pages/questions-we-can-help

Also, I found this old post which states some information regarding Borrelogen (yeah, I am aware that you ordered the Neuro-Antitox, not Borrelogen):

Borrelogen was formulated according to the results of bio-resonance testing rather than the plants’ known actions or historical uses. If Borrelogen is taken according to the Perfect-7 protocol, you should not experience a Herxheimer reaction, even if you are extremely sensitive. However, if you are sensitive, you may want to work up slowly to the recommended dosage, starting with only a few drops at a time to see how your body reacts, before increasing the amount. If you feel worse after taking it, then this means that your organs of elimination are likely not working well and need to be supported.

The thread below contains Jernigan's free chapter including the protocol for healing at home and other interesting tidbits:

https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=4153057

Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with Jernigan products, just used them in the past which healed me many moons ago.

Hope this helps!
Denise
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Posted 12/8/2021 4:29 PM (GMT -8)

sunfun said...
Huddie thank you! Good to know she corresponds via email. Do you know where I can contact her? Have some questions.

That information is at the link in my previous reply.
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