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lookn4answers0168
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   Posted 3/13/2011 6:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Has anyone had their magnesium levels checked (for low levels) or know if there is a correlation between low magnesium leves and migraines?

EvilFluorescents
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   Posted 3/13/2011 11:29 PM (GMT -6)   
There is a correlation between migraine and magnesium.

Often migraineurs have low intracellular magnesium levels. If you're interested in learning your levels, your doctor can order an RBC Mg (red blood cell magnesium) level blood test. This is different than measuring the magnesium in your blood serum.

I take magnesium along with my meds. I know many of us migraineurs do.

artlover
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   Posted 3/28/2011 3:15 AM (GMT -6)   
Magnesium has helped me a lot and I finally found a brand that doesn't give me diarrhea- Jigsaw Sustained Release Magnesium. It has really helped. And vitamin B2 and COQ10 has been studied to and is helpful. I've had migraines since I was two, really bad the last ten years (I'm 47). But the supplements have really helped. Has anyone tried Botox? I have such base of the head/neck pain that I would love to try it.

krissykriss
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   Posted 4/2/2011 11:29 AM (GMT -6)   
Artlover, you said you have base of the head pain along with neck? Is this part of a migraine? I'm 21 and never really got headaches until 6 mo ago, and lately that's where my pain has been most consistent.

buddyandpetey
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   Posted 4/2/2011 12:29 PM (GMT -6)   
not only is it odd that I saw these most recent posts on my first time here- re magnesium, which I know enough about to perhaps help you folk who've just been posting, but also so strangely, just 5 minutes ago when I first came across this site I read a 2008 post from a migraine sufferer who offered the best most concise and helpful information on my source of migraines, and I assume many others. I refer to extreme chronic daily, intense pain from TMJ.

I instantly thought of joining up so I could thank the person (I will copy in her post below) and inform anybody who is interested in this cure that I had botox 5 days ago, in another desperate attempt to help myself after 15 years of chronic pain and little help from doctors.

first on magnesium: this was the first thing that really helped me in 2006 when I began to take it. my migraines ceased within 3 days.

I still take magnesium and calcium however, after suffering the loss of my 51 yr old husband in a plane crash recently, they began again. I read about the botox and rushed to the nearest plastic surgeon who would administer it.

the doctor warned me it might not work, but I was so hopeful I could barely contain myself. Incredibly, although he siad it would take 3 days to kick in, I could feel my muscles being 'blocked' within hours and I have had 3 nights without clenching my jaws.

please take your calcium mixed in with magnesium and zinc - the amount of each that is advised for the most effect is sold n one combined tablet by CVS. It's a pin taking it 3 times a day in divided doses by other brands. for various reasons it is important to take the combination - this is the way to make each part work well. don't take the magnesium on its own.

krissykriss: please take the magnesium info seriously. I was your age when I was first advised re magneisum and forgot all about it. I would hate you to go through what I've been through if you too forget the info. go get it today - seriously - while you've got this in your brain.


the 2008 posting - from gizmogirl (Posted 8/17/2008 4:53 PM GMT -6) follows. I seriously advise you to read it all:

TMJ,TMD, Bruxism-botox, guards insufficient
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I have been incorrectly diagnosed with migraines since triptan antinflammatories help a little. Don't make any rash assumptions and self diagnosis, because it is very rare that apparent Migraines aren't migraines. Disclaimer: this is all theory since Botox is not approved and no clinical trials have been done. The official TMJ site says, for example, that temporary TMJ should be treated with anti-inflammatories, rest, heat etc., and severe with those plus pain relief. Wikipedia's bruxism entry is pretty good. But, bruxism's insidious silent sibling 'jaw clenching' just isn't covered anywhere, so here goes:

if you have teeth grinding or jaw clenching, get them cured or a mouth guard is useless and only delays tooth damage, not damage to the jaw joint or potential painful chronic neuro muscular joint disorder which can trigger migraines or even produce pain attacks that aren't migraines. Most dentists and doctors do what they know to do as opposed to figure out with the patient what really needs done in the right order. So if fixing your bite does not stop the clenching or grinding, you need to check out the first link below to the UC San Diego Dr. Davidson. Make sure you read not just his sample consult but also the notes at the end. Skip the next 4 paragraphs unless you want to learn how much time and $$ can be wasted diagnosing and finding the correct treatment for jaw clenching or bruxism (my saga).

I broke my neck and thought so during an injury in the early 90's. An HMO trying to save $$ told me that my swollen useless hands and arms HAD to be carpal tunnel because I worked in computers, and for 3 1/2 years said it's better to avoid surgery and do hand therapy, while I kept asking for a neck x-ray. When they fired my doc and gave me one, they rushed me in for titanium lamination of C5-C7. It stopped the progression of nerve damage, and I learned to hold my head up and got a little use of my hands back. Dug 6 months in the garden with a screwdriver, then a spoon, and in 2 years a mini shovel. Got a little of the use of my hands and arms back. Why am I telling TMJ people this?

Because my headaches and neck/shoulder pain etc. got worse and worse!! Asked a lot of docs - what's this ear pain -- "oh we can give you surgery to open your swimmers ear "-- what a waste of time and $$. Asked the dentist about the jaw pain and muscle spasms. Dentist said mouth guard -- didn't help at ll. Another said bite correction - $$$ and useless. An ENT really lost me time (more than a year) saying I need an arthroscopic TMJ jaw flush with saline. He said his surgery was a complete success, with much arthritis removed, so I should get better and that's the most that anyone can do. The HMO had told me to suck it up on pain for 2 years, to let the nerves calm down (after 3 1/2 years of my cord kinked and folded over on itself ) -- another waste of painful time, (but not for them since that's the statute of limitations).

Suicidal by 2003 with constant migraine like headaches coupled with spastic colon and major muscle spasms down to my toes. Not enough time between attacks to recuperate - either exhausted and concussed and sore from spams or getting the next attack. A brain scan showed lots of tiny points of white (dead) matter in my brain from venous occlusions. Told me time to test for MS, but was negative. By 2004 virtually bedridden while pain center says not clear enough diagnosis because lamination solid, and not enough radiclopathy to explain pain. So, I kept going to any surgeon or doc who would see me (not many), and in 2004 an emergency room doc said to try Imitrex and the newer Relpax which helped shorten attacks a bit. There's lots of well meaning docs and dentists out there, but almost none knew to look for the neuromuscular disorder Temporal Mandibular Disorder, which includes my jaw clenching, which can silently and unconsciously occur day and/or night.

All the above docs suggested that I am attention-seeking, need psychiatric help, and some rejected me. Neurologist put me through all migraine prevention drugs for 18 months, and nothing worked unless it knocked me out. Got a little relief from 2007 baclofen and zanflex, but just enough to get out of bed a few hours a day. Writhing with pain despite opana, and the latest headache specialist said it MUST be migraine because I admitted to getting hangovers if I drank a lot (last time was 30 years earlier in college). Despite no family history! Despite beginning in my forties! He wanted me to spend a year plus cycling thru the same migraine preventatives again, this time with no muscle relaxants or painkillers. I was concussed and exhausted from pain attacks or was in the middle of a pain attack, with no time to heal the pulled muscles I'd get from head to knee between attacks. Went back to the internet, as I did each year, and this year found new stuff on bruxism (or its insidious silent sibling jaw clenching).

Self diagnosed jaw clenching as my main trigger of pain attacks, and convinced my pain doc to botox my masseters - he'd just looked up a 2-shot protocol (which spots to stick) in a doc-only database. Within a week I got some relief and proof that I am now on the right track.

Have convinced an experienced TMD botoxer to consult with my pain doc for the next botox, since the protocols aren't set yet (I think it's supposed to be 4 or 5 along each masseter, not the 2 that I got). Time will tell. Worst case is you eat liquid or mush diet 3 months if more Botox than your particular case needs, but I don't mind that, since I'm already thinking of just pulling all my teeth! (Many people have told me this cured their headaches). Actually, I'm thinking of taping my nose shut at night to see if mouth breathing prevents clenching. I wish I'd known more in 2003 when a bad attack would pull my lower jaw so hard that the teeth didn't meet and my whole head would get inflamed!

What you need to get checked for is teeth grinding (Bruxism) or its insidiously silent sibling "jaw clenching". Only 5% of Bruxers go on to develop chronic pain, but it can even trigger migraines occasionally. Even more rarely, you can get so much pain that you develop central sensitivity and so much inflammation that it includes migraine-like headaches as just one of the pain attack symptoms. After botoxing for my jaw clenching, I have far fewer "pain attacks", and am now working on trying to stop the neuromuscular disorder of jaw clenching (TMD is what causes Bruxism or jaw clenching although some dentists think that a bad bite alone, called malocclusion, can cause it).

The sooner it is diagnosed, the easier to correct. Since its causes are partly hereditary and mostly individual to that patient's stress responses and jaw anatomy, there is no single cure. Fixing your bite, mouthguards to prevent tooth destruction, and dental restoration are things that dentists know should be done, but preventing the cause (stress response? bad bite?) should instead be done first. A few sleep studies check for it (the original at Stanford).

Jaw clenching can be as much as 40 minutes of massive force per hour while sleeping . Sum of all eating clenches in a day is little more than 20 minutes, so you can see how nighttime could wear through mouthguards and your quality of life. Read the first link below, especially the notes after the doc/patient consult transcript. TMD can, although very rarely, be disabling. I sometimes wonder if maybe 1% of migraine and cluster headache sufferers should cure their grinding/clenching instead.

To diagnose and cure your TMD or TMJ caused by teeth grinding (Bruxism) or jaw clenching, study Bruxism in Wikipedia, and at least the web page below by Dr. Davidson at UC San Diego. Don't skip his notes at bottom titled "Additional Thoughts".

To summarize the web pages below, the patient suffering from the chronic pain of teeth grinding or jaw clenching may have anything from local pain to severe cases of inflammation with spasms so severe that they set off migraine-like headaches requiring cerebral vasoconstrictors, and/or neck and shoulder pain that can even shoot down the arm. The variety of symptoms and their severity can make diagnosis difficult. The patient can also have eventual or causative damage to the jaw joint(s), teeth, and maybe bone loss. Severe cases may not be treatable until a short course of Botox breaks the cycle. Kids usually go through and spontaneously outgrow Bruxism.

After diagnosis, the actual cause of the grinding or clenching must be determined and eliminated. This can require stress reduction and/or dental restoration to fix a bad bite (malocclusion). Botox alone, done repeatedly, without fixing the cause, will eventually damage the jaw muscle permanently. Use the relief period Botox gives you to learn how to stop the activity. Usually stopping E.G. jaw clenching requires an investment of time (stress identification and reduction). Usually insurance does not pay for Botox and some of the other TMJ/TMD treatments since there is no one-size-fits-all treatment that insurers can cost justify.

Something to try for daytime unconscious jaw clenching is to let your tongue rest comfortably in your mouth with the front or back of it resting comfortably just touching the upper jaw. Then let your lower jaw rest up against your tongue, without actually biting the teeth together. This is an attempt to find a "stable" position for your lower jaw that does not stress your jaw joint. Try to make it habitual.

http://health.ucsd.edu/specialties/surgery/davidson/consults/tmj.htm is the UCSD professor Dr. Davidson, who, at the bottom of a "typical" TMJ patient/doctor script, writes his "Additional Thoughts" paragraph, in which he says that Botox is not a cure for TMJ. At best it should be used temporarily only with those whose grinding, clenching, or spasms are resistant to all therapies. Without curing the original cause, which is usually how the patient handles stress, Botox will eventually weaken and damage the jaw permanently. He also says that pain killers are wrong, leading to nothing but addiction. Lastly, he says that since TMJ is a chronic pain problem, patients should be prescribed amitriptyline (where not contraindicated) in doses of 5, 10, or at most 25 mg. before bed. Although most doctors start at higher levels, he says that anything higher will create unnecessary side effects like sleepiness, without working better.

http://www.westsidemedicalspa.com/tmd-treatments.los-angeles.html is the page for Dr. Rivkin, who does non-surgical cosmetic procedures plus a lot of Botoxing of TMD, which he says is sometimes enough in itself to cure grinding or clenching. Search youtube or metacafe for his 2 min. ABC news segment.

www.designersmilz.com/html/tmj.html and www.designersmilz.com/html/reconstruction.html are a couple of web pages of Dr. Correa, who practices 'neuromuscular dentistry', which is appropriate since this is a neuromuscular disorder currently being treated by doctors, neurologists, and dentists, and may require therapy in cases where causitive stress response is difficult to identify and/or reduce. Dr. Correa concentrates on the need for accurate diagnosis of exactly what physical problems have developed, and the need for anything from fairly inexpensive to extensive and pricey restoration. But the main thing is to diagnos the CAUSE and fix it before spending alot of dental dollars.

Be aware that Botox is not approved (paid for) by insurers for TMD or TMJ, so find a doctor who will charge you his price plus processing for the vial itself. Ask Walgreen's what their current price is. Then you will still have to pay for the treatment(s). Since causes range from bad bite to stress response, there is no single treatment. Also, it's pretty rare that Bruxism or jaw clenching progresses to this level of pain and damage. Even if 20% of the population is doing it, only 5% get pain, and maybe less than 1% of refractory migrainers or cluster headaches are cured by identifying and stopping TMD.

As more people get relief from Botoxing, even if it is temporary, better stats will come out on what % of people are not whiners or migrainers or cluster headachers, and more doctors will think to check for and treat it. It's not that hard to diagnose if your doctor or dentist includes checking for sore masseter (jaw) muscles, sore related muscles, joint soreness and movement problems, and pattern of teeth wear. But, right now, the patient has to be the one to make sure these problems are ruled out or diagnosed, and the patient has to be the one to make sure that the cause is identified and treat (stop) it.

buddyandpetey
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   Posted 4/2/2011 12:35 PM (GMT -6)   
also - for your base of the neck enquirys - there is relevant info about its correlation to migraines available that I will post later today when I find it again.

if any of you ever suffered a fall, without or WITHOUT concussion of any length, where you hit your skull then you need to consider the influence of such on yoru headaches.I will try to find that info and post it too. I had 3 concussions in car accidents which have greatly if not solely influenced my migraines.

buddyandpetey
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   Posted 4/2/2011 12:53 PM (GMT -6)   
list of things I've doene that always help- you can copy and paste this somewhere and keep it which I advise you to do.

for all of you tmj suffers especially and for anyone with migraines you MUST consider getting massage for your neck shoulders and skull. it helps greatly.

use a heat pad regularly

eat frequently so your blood sugar is sustained (muscles tighten when sugar drops)

do not expose your head and shoulders to cold temperatures again - muscles tighten

take 'vanquish' pain relievers the instant your headache starts. this is available at cvs. if you do you might not have to take the heavy duty meds that knock you out.

vanquish has the combination of painkillers that is known to best knock off the migraine as quickly as possible
it is important to take it as soon as you're aware of the headache emerging. drink any amount of coffee at the same time that you can tolerate: too much might make you sick if the headache has gone too far though.

if it doesn't help take your serious meds asap -don't wait.

if your stomach was empty and you can eat, then eat - it helps the muscles relax.

use your hair dryer to warm up your neck shoulder and skull - vip - as it is both soothing and will relax the muscles as well. it sounds weird but just try it anyway. it's so easy to do and do it as much as you like. sometimes I do it whenI don't have a headache and that is when I realize my muscles are tight a lot of the time, thus headache 'ready', and I am not even aware of i.

if the migraine has developed so far that you can't move then move around and get yorur blood flowing - that helps too. even if it's just tidying up the house that is great. I try to walk if I can - it works.

try everything I've said anyway whether you agree or not - then make up your mind about it.

listen - I'm old and wise and have done every darn thing I can think of and if I didn't know how hideous these bloody headaches are, I wouldn't bother to be insistent. so if I sound bossy it's because I care so much that other people know what I do that has really helped a lot.

if you're in ny, go to the ktiaj headache centre in westchester and see dr kitaj. she's an excellent, caring and knowlegeable doc. she is sweet too. no kidding - I've seen so many docs and she's one of the best.

the posting from gizomgirl (above) lists a doc in san diego if you're over there.

buddyandpetey
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   Posted 4/2/2011 12:56 PM (GMT -6)   
p.s thank you gizmogirl

lexique
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   Posted 5/31/2011 6:07 PM (GMT -6)   

 

EvilFluorescents said...
There is a correlation between migraine and magnesium.

Often migraineurs have low intracellular magnesium levels. If you're interested in learning your levels, your doctor can order an RBC Mg (red blood cell magnesium) level blood test. This is different than measuring the magnesium in your blood serum.

I take magnesium along with my meds. I know many of us migraineurs do.
When you say migraineurs have low intracellular magnesium levels, is this low with respect to levels in non-migraineurs? Or do us migraineurs require a higher than 'normal' level in the same fashion the RLSers tend to require higher than normal serrum ferritin levels than the non-RLS population?
 
Thanks!

elixiraw
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   Posted 7/22/2011 1:22 PM (GMT -6)   
I take Magnesium Citrate, I tried many of the other magnesium types, only 'Citrate' seems to work for me. I take 500mg a day. Magnesium didn't stop my migraines though, I also changed my whole diet. I'm now on a mostly raw diet, and I don't eat any packaged, processed, or fast foods. I'm migraine free for 5+ months since starting this new life style.

Violet Rose
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   Posted 7/22/2011 1:49 PM (GMT -6)   
I am in the UK and take a brand called Magnesium-OK it contains 145mg magnesium but a large dose of vitamin B6 50mg a day. I also take a daily iron supplement. I've been migraine free for 6 weeks after 20 years of suffering with constant migraine by taking these supplements. I haven't changed my diet, I only avoid alcohol and processed meats as I know these are triggers for me.

I am currently weaning off my migraine preventatives to see what happens. These did nothing for my migraines when taken alone without dietary supplements. I am curious to see if I stay this well once those drugs are out of my system. Will keep you posted!
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