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coastfishin
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Posted 10/13/2009 4:54 AM (GMT -7)
Lizzie I am glad you are pooping but I really hope you get the pain under control. I know having a lot of pain really makes recovery difficult. I hope they can do something for you because you need to be able to rest and eat! I am praying for you!

Hodaya and anyone else that had the TC, did your abdomen swell a lot and if so did it go down pretty quickly or am I looking at weeks of a possibly swollen belly when I have my surgery? And when you guys talk about the major pain after surgery is it sore kind of pain or abdominal cramping like you have when you take a boat load of laxatives? Sorry for all the questions my mind is just starting to race as I get closer.

Jen
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Posted 10/13/2009 5:04 AM (GMT -7)
HI everyone! ANother quick hello as I'm on the ship!

lizzie, so sorry you're in pain and not feling yet YERT.. but it's early into your recovery, and I'm sure each week will get better! Glad you are pooping = that's a GREAT thing!

Hodaya, hope you are able to get your work sch. worked out.. I'll catch up more with you later!

RoseMary, have you read my posts where now the colon doctor isn't sure I have the sigmoid ocl? Not sure yet what is going on.. I think (I KNOW) something is blocking the stool.. how eventually did they figure everything out with you? DId you bring your doctor all your tests?

Tracy, I haven't had any anal surgeries, but I do know things are different since my pelvic surgery.. did you by chance have a rectopexy too? I did, and my uro -gyn thinks this caused a kink.. because of the extra loops of colon. My colonoscopy did show my sigmoid scared and twisted.. most likely from pelvic surgeries. He too thought I was too young to have a resection done...

Jen, try and not focus and worry too much - I know the clock is ticking closer!

Trouble is they don't know what it is like not to poo!

I'm doing pretty good on the cruise.. and last night took Milk of Mag. with is something I recently tried. It worked.. a little too good! I woke up and have been awake in the middle of the night w/ diarrhea! I even had a small accident!! However, my tummy feels good this AM and it was worth it!

Take care everyone.. I'll catch up with everyone else ASAP!
~Jenise~

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answers4me2
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Posted 10/13/2009 7:42 AM (GMT -7)
Lizzie, after I had the sacralcolopopexy, the pain was very bad. I think it was day 9 that I woke up and miraculously the pain was 75% better. But, I forced myself to walk a little more everyday It would hurt so bad that I was not steady on my feet. I made everybody a nervous wreck with me up and wobbling around, but walking helps work the soreness out. So, make sure you get up and walk around every hour or so. Even turning from side to side helps. Oh, I so don't look forward to the pain. I hate pain and each surgery is just more pain.
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XtremeMisery
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Posted 10/13/2009 9:43 AM (GMT -7)
Hello all...

Just got back from the surgeon. I have a hematoma under my inscision, but otherwise the CT looked good for no infection. He is admitting me right now from home for hydration and pain control. He said I am very distended and just did not look well. I will keep you updated. I had been walking and everything, I just could not get the pain  under control.

Lizzie


Chronic Lifetime Constipation, Dx IBS-C for 7 yrs

Diagnosed Colonic Inertia-Oct 2007

Total Colectomy with ileorectal anastamosis- Jan 28, 2008

Ileus with suspected leak- Feb 1, 2008, ended with four abdomal abscessses and 2 drains

Diagnosed with small bowel Fistula- March 6 2008

Drains removed- End of March 2008

Continued Constipation- biofeedback for 3 mo Aug 2008, Dx Rectal Inertia (Anismus)

Admitted with Small Bowel Obstruction April 4, 2009 and emergency ileostomy 4/13

Re-admitted with abdominal abscess. Released 4/24

Cleveland Clinic twice for 3/4th referral. Anismus undetected (no medical explanation)

Retracted stoma-infection/skin breakdown.

Reversal re-scheduled- Oct 8, 2009.

 

"The Greatest Healing Therapy is Friendship and Love"

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Posted 10/13/2009 10:09 AM (GMT -7)
Dang it Lizzie I was hoping you could stay out of the hospital. Hope your pain is at least tolerable. Just rest and let your body heal. happy to hear you are having bms though, thats great!!

Janie-I am having days just like you. I dont understand why everyday is so different from the last. One day I will do really well then the next terrible. I also do the grape juice to get things moving. Is this just how things will be for now on? I dont change my diet at all so why is it different? Maybe we will never know. Our lives will just be consumed by this I think!!

Rosemary, it was me that went dirt biking. I love it and cant quit. I got in a really bad wreck about 3mon after my surgery. But Ive gone a couple times lately and havent got hurt as bad as I did that time. I refuse to give up my love of biking cuz I cant poo normally.

Well i have to be short for now. Jen, I keep you in my thoughts for your upcoming surgery. Jenise, have you decided what your doing?

Catch up on you all later when I am off work.
  • Marisa
  • 1999-Appendectomy with Cecopexy
  • 2001-Ruptured ovarian cyst
  • 2004- Emergency hysterectomy
  • Lifetime Chronic Constipation
  • 6-1-09  Total open colectomy with illiorectal anastomosis

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Posted 10/13/2009 11:03 AM (GMT -7)
Marisa,

Just wondering. When you have days when you can't go much, do you get that horrible rectal fullness? It just feels like I have a ton of cement sitting in my rear and I can't get it out; even after one small meal. Also, I may be able to push tiny amounts out, but then my rear gets SO sore and painful. I'm just so sick of this.

Grape juice doesn't work nearly as well for me as it did at first. I'm still drinking prune juice most days. I hate the taste, but it at least gets something out. I haven't tried miralax or MOM yet, I'm saving that for if and when the prune juice stops working. Before surgery neither worked, but hoping now they will if I have to resort to them. I forgot, do you have pelvic floor issues??

This is just not what I had imagined; I honestly thought I'd have diarrhea like in the beginning. I so wish that was the case!!

Lizzie,
Hang in there sweetie. Sorry about the humatoma, but at least you're pooping. Just rest and try to eat a little...

Everyone else,
Hi, gotta get back to work, will talk later.

Post Edited (Janiepain) : 10/14/2009 8:26:35 PM (GMT-6)

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Posted 10/13/2009 11:19 AM (GMT -7)
Jen, don't feel uncomfortable asking, besides this is not too many questions and that's what we're here for, remember? yes, my abd swelled A LOT, but only the lower abd. don't worry too much about the swelling, for me, after 3 weeks it went down COMPLETELY. but anyway i don't think everyone gets swollen after surgery. the pain is a sore kind of pain, like your lower abd is one big wound inside. for me it also felt like a heavy wound and i always felt the need to hold it, like it's pulling down and would fall or something. i think the heavy feeling was due to the infection i had in my abd, cause i started feeling the heavy feeling about 2 days before the infection poured out of the incision. not everyone gets infection though. look, this IS a huge surgery, nothing easy about it. i had first rough 2 weeks and during those 2 weeks i had moments of regret and depression and thinking i won't make it, but most of the time, even then, i was optimistic and after these rough 2 weeks, when things started to move and i was feeling so much better, i was very happy i did it. it sure is worth the hard recovery. even though i still have my struggles with pooping, cause i have a PFD and trying to adjust my diet is really a challenge, it's still MUCH better than prior to surgery. it's much easier to deal with and i don't have the excruciating pain i used to have prior any more. you're doing the right thing, Jen, don't worry too much, esp since you don't have PFD, you have greater chances for better success, i'm sure! Hodaya 06/05/2007 - STARR procedure colonic inertia w/pelvic floor dysfunction 08/16/2009 - total colectomy w/ileorectal anastomosis
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esoR
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Posted 10/13/2009 11:19 AM (GMT -7)
Jenise,

Glad you're doing good on the cruise. If Milk of Magnesia worked so well, why not keep using that as needed. If you're able to go, why have any surgery? (I'm just playing devil's advocate, but if I had all to do over again, I would just treat my original issue.......incomplete rectal emptying sometimes, other times fine) medically not surgically no matter what any test showed.

To answer your question, my defecogram was done on a machine that did not use barium paste. I had the lying down dynamic pelvic MRI that showed my anorecetal angle widened normally for defecation and angled normally for continence PRIOR to 2006 surgery, but then I also had a defecogram done with ultrasound gel contrast, but sitting up on the MRI commode (at a Boston hospital...very advanced machine.) However, the radiology resident mistook a loop of small bowel descending into the rectovaginal septum for my sigmoid colon,). Her work was not checked by her supervisor as is normal protocol. Three colorectal surgeons then erroneously opined that I needed my sigmoid colon out based on the faulty report. They also all viewed the actual DVD of the defecogram so they apparently didn't know a loop of small intestine from a loop of sigmoid colon either. These were top hospitals with one of america's "top docs" where I sought surgical advice. All thought it was my sigmoid colon due to a resident saying (in error that it was). The doc I finally went to saw in surgery that my sigmoid was not elongated and proceeded to remove it anyway, then did multiple other unconsented procedures. Then did not follow-up on complications. Due to this surgery I lost the use of my rectum, colon, and temporarily my small intestine due to scarring. Then luckily I found the one doc who removed the adhesions from my small bowel and did the ileostomy which was all that could be done to save my life. I only found out that the defecogram had been read wrong when I sent the DVD to a forensics company then had it reviewed by 4 other pelvic radiology experts across the US and in Europe in 2008 in preparation for my suit. I never thought to have the accuracy of the test double checked prior to surgery as I'd had the test done at at top Boston GYN hospital.

If there is doubt in your case as to whether it is your sigmoid or not, I would have ithe defecogram DVD reviewed by other radiologists. You don't want your sigmoid removed if it's not desceding. You could also have a repeat of the defecogram at another hospital. I've come to the conclusion that tests are only as accurate as the people who read them. Also one test can be interpreted differently by different radiologists. Hope this helps. Enjoy your cruise. I hope I stay well as I'm planning one for jan-March around south america. Yahoo!

Marisa, good for you for keeping on with your passions in life! I am so far keeping up with my passion of international travel, bag and all. We all deserve FUN!!!!!!! :-)

Lizzie,

Personally I'm glad they readmitted you and think they sent you home WAY too soon. I hope they can get a handle on the pain for you and that you have a better recovery. I sure am glad you are able to poop after all this. Will send good wishes your way.

Sincerely, Rosemary
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Posted 10/13/2009 11:25 AM (GMT -7)
Lizzie, are they treating the hematoma with anything? i wonder, my incision is still hard and bumpy and i just wonder if it's not hematoma too, cause even though they keep telling me it'll go down eventually, i don't see it's getting any better at all. it's just really frustrating and anoying! i'm trying to massage it, but it doesn't seem to help. any advise? Hodaya 06/05/2007 - STARR procedure colonic inertia w/pelvic floor dysfunction 08/16/2009 - total colectomy w/ileorectal anastomosis
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Posted 10/13/2009 11:56 AM (GMT -7)
hi @all

chronic intestinal pseudoobsruction is not another name for colonic inertia or oligive-syndrome. I was diagnosed with CIP last December after a subtotal colectomy hadn't brought me any relief for my severe constipation (my docs thought I only suffered from CI), severe pain, severe nausea etc.

CIP is very rare, even rarer than CI.
Chronic intestinal pseudoobstruction basically means SEVERLY paralyzed/slow entire GI tract (at least small and large bowel are affected, often stomach and even esophagas and bladder can be diseased) to the degree that you live in a permanent subocclusion-like state. LOTS of pain!
By defintion there must be signs of subocclusion (dilated bowel loops, air-fluid-levels) on plain films/x-rays of the small and/or large bowel.
So with CIP CI can be involved.

Colonic inertia only describes severe dysmotlity of the colon.
Oligive-Syndrome often occurs after surgeries and is an acute! (functional, not mechanic) obstruction of the colon (with characteristic obstruction patterns: dilated bowel loops, air fluid levels) mostly due to trauma etc. It doesn't describe a chronic condition.

Sarah
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adaperl
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Posted 10/13/2009 12:47 PM (GMT -7)

Tracy, i do think you probably had nerve damage.

Sarah, thanks for clearing that up. I only read a couple articles and it sounded like what I go through on a regular basis so I just figured it sounded a lot like what we have. Especially since the last time i was in the hospitol, they told me my small bowels were slowing up. Thanks. A friend of mine has chroens and she said that once you take out the infected part of the bowels, it just eventually moves to the other part of the digestive tract. So, who is to say that doesnt happen with other intestinal disorders.

Lizzie, i am glad to hear that there is no infection.

Well, Back to work!  


Kristina
Surgery's:
1995 gallbladder removal
2001 blockage removed from large bowel/colostomy to heal
2001 colostomy take down and total colectomy
2004 small bowel blockage from scar tissue
2005 hysterectomy
2006 hospitalized due to small bowel slowing down
2007 double hernia repair with mesh

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Posted 10/13/2009 12:53 PM (GMT -7)
Hi to everyone -well I started, had my last meal- a bagel with creamcheese this morning, was delicious and for about 2 hrs have been drinking the poison called= Golytely- I have it chilled with a straw and follow each gulp with apple juice. Still waiting for it to kick in. Also waiting for my phone call from Medical College of Virginia for my OR time tommorrow. Got a place for my dog to stay and going to take him there tonight, then put my soap and a few things in a bag and go to Richmond- 2 hr drive. Friend is taking me. Trying to say goodbye to my colon- its hard to loose parts of yourself. IN 2006 lost ovaries, uterus, appendix, In 2007 lost bladder, urethra, right colon made into pouch for urine, IN 2008 lost gallbladder, adhesions and hernias. Looking forward to recovery time, then onto a new big city and a great nursing job with my pup. love to all my new friends, Shmuel's mom
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Posted 10/13/2009 12:58 PM (GMT -7)
Shmuel- Good luck !!!!! Will be thinking of you.


Kristina
Surgery's:
1995 gallbladder removal
2001 blockage removed from large bowel/colostomy to heal
2001 colostomy take down and total colectomy
2004 small bowel blockage from scar tissue
2005 hysterectomy
2006 hospitalized due to small bowel slowing down
2007 double hernia repair with mesh

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Posted 10/13/2009 1:04 PM (GMT -7)
best of luck Shmuel!!!! my thoughts and prayers are with you!!!! Hodaya 06/05/2007 - STARR procedure colonic inertia w/pelvic floor dysfunction 08/16/2009 - total colectomy w/ileorectal anastomosis
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Posted 10/13/2009 1:46 PM (GMT -7)
thankyou to all of you for being there for me.

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Posted 10/13/2009 2:23 PM (GMT -7)
Shmuel,

Good luck....hope everything goes smoothly!!

janie
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Posted 10/13/2009 3:47 PM (GMT -7)
Lizzie, I am so glad they readmitted you. When the pain gets out of control, it is very very hard to get it back under control with oral pain meds. After my 2nd fissure surgery, the pain was so intense I was out of my mind. I took 6 percocets in an hour, but don't even remember taking them. This is what my mom told me. I had to be readmitted and the doctor on call maxed me out on pain meds, so, they put me in a coma. I don't remember 36 hours of that ordeal. I can honestly say that pain was worse than child birth, worse than any surgery I have ever had.

I think I probably have a very low threshold for pain and this is why I am so terrified of more surgery. I really hope they have your pain under control now.

Sending a big prayer your way right now Lizzie!!!!!

Tracy

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Posted 10/13/2009 6:18 PM (GMT -7)
Hi Girls,

So sorry I haven't been on lately, miss you all.  I was trying to read quickly to catch up but soooooo much has been going on with you all.  Please know that you are in my prayers and I will be back on soon when things are straightened out at school.  Things are very stressed right now; I'm filing a greivance against my superintendent and to top it all off I have a urinary tract infection which is iritating the stent a LOT!!!!!! So life is not easy at the moment but I'm praying that it will get better, please say a prayer.

Lizzie-Love you and praying that you are better soon. HUGS my love!!!!

Shmuel-I'll be calling you tonight:)

Peace and healing to you all,

Judy


 

 

Judy

 

spleen/appendix/gall bladder-removed/endometriosis/complete hysterectomy at 29/sinus surgery/numerous allergies & asthma/chronic kidney stones/ pancreatitis 3x's/2 knee surgeries-now need replacement/bunion & 2 neuroma surgeries/shoulder surgery w/ pins-which also froze following surgery/severe adhesions & scar tissue-stomach to chest-liver to ribs-colon to pelvis/severe IBS w/ constipation/subtotal colectomy 7/08/ c difficile/many kidney surgeries 5/09 through next summer

 

There's AWAYS HOPE, there's a doctor out there that WILL help you and things WILL get better :):):):):)

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Posted 10/13/2009 6:51 PM (GMT -7)
Hi Judy- your life sounds really hectic right now, so you don't have to call me. I am ready, everything is ok. I;ll let you know when  it is all over. Thanks, Shmuel's mom
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Posted 10/13/2009 7:01 PM (GMT -7)
Judy.

Hugs to you and hope you feel better soon. We've missed you!!

Janie
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Posted 10/13/2009 8:32 PM (GMT -7)
OK Janie I really think that we are on the same page. I was also going to ask you if your pee is a weird color. Like mine is Like a neon yellow color. Its a little bizarre. I went poo only two times today and they were all small little poos. I get worried that what I eat is defently not coming out. What had your doc said about this and are seeing our surgeon or another kind of doctor. This just worries me that something else is going on. Let me know what your doctor thinks about this situation. And yes I do get that rectal pressure and I can push and push to get two raisens out!! I am at my wits end. I am afraid this will be the way we have the live the rest of our lives. Pooadiction!!

Hodaya, judy,and everone new, hope things are going well for you all
  • Marisa
  • 1999-Appendectomy with Cecopexy
  • 2001-Ruptured ovarian cyst
  • 2004- Emergency hysterectomy
  • Lifetime Chronic Constipation
  • 6-1-09  Total open colectomy with illiorectal anastomosis

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Posted 10/13/2009 9:19 PM (GMT -7)
just a quick update:

I got here and was really sick with pressures in the 80's and pulse in the 130's. They gve me a liter bolus and am now o my foith bag and have only peed once. I am so nauseated, but finally after sleeping from 2-12 feel asl though I can take a sip of water. I am on reglan, zofran, compazine, and dilaudid.

I think not having a colon we can get sick so quick. Just an update. Love you all. Have not had time to read others.

Lizzie


Chronic Lifetime Constipation, Dx IBS-C for 7 yrs

Diagnosed Colonic Inertia-Oct 2007

Total Colectomy with ileorectal anastamosis- Jan 28, 2008

Ileus with suspected leak- Feb 1, 2008, ended with four abdomal abscessses and 2 drains

Diagnosed with small bowel Fistula- March 6 2008

Drains removed- End of March 2008

Continued Constipation- biofeedback for 3 mo Aug 2008, Dx Rectal Inertia (Anismus)

Admitted with Small Bowel Obstruction April 4, 2009 and emergency ileostomy 4/13

Re-admitted with abdominal abscess. Released 4/24

Cleveland Clinic twice for 3/4th referral. Anismus undetected (no medical explanation)

Retracted stoma-infection/skin breakdown.

Reversal re-scheduled- Oct 8, 2009.

 

"The Greatest Healing Therapy is Friendship and Love"

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Posted 10/14/2009 4:52 AM (GMT -7)
Marisa,

My pee is pretty clear because I drink so much water, BUT sometimes when I drink prune juice and it gets to the last few times I have to run to the bathroom it's very yellow and watery....are you sure the yellow is coming from the pee hole?? LOL

Yes, it sounds like we're alike. I can't stand the pressure and drink prune juice after work to make things go through me. Do you get the rectal pressure after eating a meal--maybe an hour to 3 hours later? If I don't go at least a little, then I get this horrible pressure and it's so uncomfortable. Straining to go (because I feel like it's there) then makes my rear so sore, and I feel completely backed up. Not eating alot during the day and then drinking prune juice with dinner is the only thing that keeps me from being so miserable. When I start getting that pressure in my rear, I can feel it and it's tight as a drum, so I know the poo is there just wanting out! Have you tried an enema? My surgeon said to use them daily if I need to.

Right now I'm having more tests....just redid the sitz marker last week, but I drank prune juice so it may not be accurate, but he said I could drink it. There's no way I could last 6 days without a good bm the way I used to be able to before surgery.

I'm also having another defocogram next Thursday and I see the surgeon again on the 29th. He's not been real helpful; he's the one who suggested my problem might be an eating disorder. If I don't get any good answers/attitude from him on the 29th, I'm going to Cleveland Clinic in Weston, FL. It's about 4 hours from me.

I've also gained about 4 pounds back. I had lost about 10-12 after surgery, but over the last few weeks I've started gaining. I'm really not eating any more than before, but I'm definitely not going as much as before.

Lizzie,
Hang in there sweetie. It seems you can never get through one of these surgeries without problems, but at least you're pooping!

Janie
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Posted 10/14/2009 7:42 AM (GMT -7)
Kristina,

in fact, if you were told your small bowel is slow , too then you definitely suffer from small bowel dysmotility. Did they say anything about dilated bowel loops?
If this progresses to the degree that you have signs of chronic subocclusion or periods of (sub)occlusions you develop CIP which fulfil the definition criteria.
Furthermore, CIP is usually a progressive disease. It starts somewhere in your digestive tract and spreads onto other parts.
This usually may take some time but sometimes/sometime you exprience a rapid deterioration.

However, CIP means parlayed digestive tract by slow motility itself (=functional), not by decreased motility due to adhesions or due to narrow bowel lumen (like many people with Chron's have subsequently to the inflammation process) that both cause mechanic obstructions.

Most people with CI (CI sorry, not CIP) have an elongated, loopy colon but only few people with CI have dilated colons. I think these people are more prone to develop small bowel dysmotility, maybe eventually CIP.
I think you mentioned your colon was very big when they did the emergency surgery.

But what about the others: Did/do you have a chronically dilated (very increased in diameter) colon with your CI?

Thanks for letting me know!

SArah

Post Edited (pelztier86) : 10/16/2009 1:07:34 PM (GMT-6)

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Posted 10/14/2009 9:32 AM (GMT -7)
Lizzie,

WOW! Major dehydration. Glad they readmitted and are dealing with it. Without the reabsorptive capacities of the colon, it does throw the body out of whack until the small intestine takes over some of the job of the colon and starts reabsorbing some of what we drink back into the body. Took my small intestine 6-9 months to do this, so it's awhile. I know you have other post-op issues, too, and am glad you're getting the care you need. Best wishes, Rosemary
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