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dcmission
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   Posted 12/27/2010 2:01 PM (GMT -6)   
The other day I tried the hollister convex rings. After about a day my stoma worked it's way under the ring and I was in a bit of pain afterwords and when I took off my wafer my stoma was slightly smooshed. It's fine now but I'm trying to see what I did wrong. I stretched out the ring and the put it on the wafer and then put the entire thing on my skin. When I went to put it on I noticed the ring was much smaller then when I stretched it out but I put it on anyway because it was my last sample. I just bought a box so I could try them out more and I also bought some cymed flanges which is why I have to switch to the rings. Right now I use convatec but I have been having problems with either a fungus or skin reaction to the wafers and so I want to try something else. I just wish that cymed made convec wafers. I've tried hollister, coloplast, etc and not too many work well.

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DCMission

polishdan
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   Posted 12/27/2010 4:18 PM (GMT -6)   
DCMission
I recently tried the hollister convex seal. I found that it came off easily and clean as opposed to the eakin cohesive seal that left a mess. I did find that the hollister convex seal swelled up and restricted my stoma. I stopped using the hollister because of that. I now am trying a Convatec pouch with a convex wafer. It seals very well. Look for the thread that I started. Topic is "hollister convex seal".

Dan

dcmission
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   Posted 12/27/2010 4:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank I will check it out! I didn't know Convatec made a convex wafer? I'll ask them to send me some samples.

DCMission

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   Posted 12/27/2010 11:00 PM (GMT -6)   
I love Hollister but cannot use the convex barrier rings. I had similar problems and can really only use convex wafers, not convex rings.
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   Posted 12/28/2010 11:36 AM (GMT -6)   
The convatec convex one piece I am using is doing the job, but it is very uncomfortable compared to the convatec soft non-convex. Guess you can't have everything. My choices.......uncomfortable, blowout all over the bed at 4AM, or surgery (again) to make my stoma protrude. WHOOPIE!!!

Dan

dcmission
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   Posted 12/28/2010 4:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Yeah, it seems my problem is that my stoma like to dance around as I call it. It will for the most part stay protruded but right before it pushes out stool my stoma will contract and because of this I can't use regular wafers. I've used convex wafers for several months now and the Hollister kind literally peeled off while I was taking a shower, if it wasn't for the belt I wore it would not have stayed on, then I tried Coloplast and the plastic-like material either peeled from my skin within minutes or it stayed on and cracked thus cutting my skin, finally I have used Convatec and for a while it worked great. I had excellent wear time of five to seven days but then I started to get a rash and it never went away so now I'm on to my next attempt. I'm young and I used to play sports so I need something light and flexible so my doctor told me to try cymed. It worked great and the rash almost went away in a day but my problem then was that at night I wasn't comfortable as the wafer looked like it was already lifting so now I'm trying them with the convex ring to try for a month or so. If anything it will give my stomach a break from the rash and possibly heal so I can go back to Convatec if needed.

Thanks for the suggestions

DC

polishdan
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   Posted 12/28/2010 8:46 PM (GMT -6)   
dcmission
I use Friars Balsam Compound Benzoin Tincture on ulcers around my stoma when necessary. It comes in a bottle and is applied with a Q tip.
A man (I assume) Weirdbeard has it in a spray. He sprays the entire wafer area to stop irritation. It is from Smith & Nephew.

Weirdbeard???

" by the way, I found out that Smith & Nephew has tincture of benzoin in a spray bottle, so I got some. It is much easier to apply with a spray. It's more even and dries quicker. Very good stuff."

That is a copy of his message.

Dan

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   Posted 12/29/2010 8:46 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, ha ha, I am a man last time I checked. And yes, I have had great success with the Smith & Nephew tincture of benzoin spray. I got it from Edgepark. It helps keep my skin clear and it helps the wafer to stick better. But you have to make sure it is dry before putting on the wafer. I spray the entire area where the wafer goes.

If you are looking for a more flexible convex wafer, check out the Coloplast Sensura Flex. Very comfortable. It is what I am using now.

-Eric
aka Weirdbeard
(and a very manly man he is too...)

dcmission
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   Posted 1/1/2011 12:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you guys for all of the help. I'm going to attempt to try out the rings and cymed bags for a month to see what happens. I figured the two day tryout period was not a good enough test and that I need more time for both. My skin is obviously not liking the convatec products so at least I will have a month break from the abrasive glues and such. I just need my products to get in as I awoke today with extreme itching, a change in bag and I'm still itching. I just took a benadryl and it's starting to work on the itching a little bit.

I do have one more question. When I use the hollister convex rings am I supposed to roll it into shape or stretch it. The picture on the instruction manual makes it look like the ring is rolled yet the manual never actually says anything about it. It just uses the word mold.

Thanks again guys,

polishdan
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   Posted 1/1/2011 1:06 PM (GMT -6)   
DCMission

My stoma is round and the hollister convex was the right size with no reshaping. The problem I had was that the seal would swell up and restrict output. Sounds like my stoma works like yours.....it might be out until it pushes sewage out. Then it retracts violently and can hurt. I am considering surgery again to fix it. I am going to see a new surgeon.
Have you considered surgery to fix it?

Weirdbeard

Is the Smith & Nephew benzoin spray #420200 ? If not what is the number?

Dan

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   Posted 1/1/2011 2:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Dan,

The number on the bottle is #407000.

Edgepark Numbers are:
Item #: 54407000
Manufacturer: Smith & Nephew (54)
HCPC: A4369

The one you listed is just their regular skin prep.
51 - male - in North Carolina near Asheville
UC is GONE!! Permanent ilieostomy on July 8th, 2010.
Stoma is named "Sparky".

polishdan
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   Posted 1/2/2011 3:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Wierdbeard
I have an Edgepark cataolg and I cannot find that number. What page is it on? The HCPCS number of the one I found is A4369.

Dan

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   Posted 1/2/2011 8:11 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't think it is in the catalog. I searched for it on their website. The link is /www.edgepark.com/shopcatalog/showitemdetails.cfm?PSKU=54407000&PageRef=ShopCatalog&OrigPSku=&cat1=&cat2=&cat3=&catid=&subcatid=

I searched on their site with the keyword benzoin.

There are several different kinds listed if you do the search.

polishdan
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   Posted 1/4/2011 1:56 PM (GMT -6)   
eric weirdbeard
When you remove your wafer is there any residue left from the benzoin? Is your wafer hard to get off? I never use soap on the wafer area, just water and paper towels. I am going to try putting the Friars on with a cotton ball. My supplier does not have the benzoin spray that you use. If it helps like you say I will have to go back to Edgepark as my supplier as long as they can accept my insurance.

Dan

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   Posted 1/4/2011 3:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Before I found the spray, I applied it with a cotton ball. The benzion that I used with the cotton ball would leave a light yellowish brown color on my skin.

The spray is completely clear. I usually do at least 2 coats, drying with a hair dryer in between.

The cotton ball works, the spray is just more convenient and dries more quickly.
51 - male - in North Carolina near Asheville
UC is GONE!! Permanent ilieostomy on July 8th, 2010.
Stoma is named "Sparky".

polishdan
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   Posted 1/4/2011 3:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Did either one make the wafer hard to get off?
Is there a residue that you find necessary to get off?

Dan

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   Posted 1/5/2011 1:19 PM (GMT -6)   
I can get the wafer off my skin okay if I go slowly - it's not hard to get it off. As far as residue, I don't seem to have any with the spray. With the cotton ball, there was only the discoloration.

I usually wash around my stoma with Ivory soap and rinse it off with a hand shower (I sit on the edge of the bathtub). Then dry it off, spray, dry, spray again and once I am sure that it is really dry, apply the convex wafer.
51 - male - in North Carolina near Asheville
UC is GONE!! Permanent ilieostomy on July 8th, 2010.
Stoma is named "Sparky".

polishdan
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   Posted 1/5/2011 7:25 PM (GMT -6)   
I have been having a lot of irritation and itching under the convex wafer and the tape. Put on a new wafer today. Covered the entire area with Friars first. Strange, I never had this problem with flat, pliable wafers.

Dan
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