Pouches with filter?

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Kelsie
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   Posted 6/15/2011 8:19 AM (GMT -6)   
Anyone with experience using the pouches with a filter?  Do they let the air out of the bag?  Can you smell the stool?  Leak?  We got the vents to put in the bags, but they are a pain to put on.  It seems they give you the cheapest alternative when in the hospital and while what they give you may work, I have to wonder if there are other products that would be easier and/or better. 

blueglass
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   Posted 6/15/2011 9:21 AM (GMT -6)   
Do you have an ileo? The filters don't work when they get wet, so they are pretty useless for ileos. Some people have had some issues with leaking with certain brands -- I think some of the convatec ones. I use the coloplast, and the filter doesn't leak, but it doesn't work either. No smell, that's good.

The EZ vents are a pain to put on, but they work much better than the filters. I just had a leak from one of the vents last week, though, probably my fault not closing it enough.... I'm not sure whether I'll keep using them or not. You can get several pouches ready at the same time with the vents, so you don't have to put them on every time.
48 years old, female.
2004 dx indeterminate colitis. Back and forth between Crohn's and UC dx. Many drugs, minimal success.
2010-11 Crazy skin and eye complications, high fevers, bad flaring. Out of good drug options, tired of scary drugs.
Feb 2011 -- proctocolectomy with permanent ileolostomy; abscess, blood clot. Still healing, still glad for the surgery

Kelsie
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   Posted 6/15/2011 9:32 AM (GMT -6)   
My daughter has an end ileostomy.  They wouldn't be good for night time, then, apparently.  I was mostly wondering about letting the air out of the bag as that seems to be the issue.  Maybe we will just have to go with the osto EZ vent.  We have them and I have put one on a bag, but she hasn't tried it yet.  They are a pain, though, because you have to cut the fabric that covers the pouch, wipe it with alcohol (to supposedly get the sheen off the plastic which didn't happen), stick the vent on, cut the hole and then let it set for 24 hours.  I thought it would be nice to just get the bag ready to go!  :)  I haven't seen any pouches that come with a vent in them other than the "filter" ones.  Maybe they are out there, it is just a lot of work figuring all this out!! 

blueglass
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   Posted 6/15/2011 10:37 AM (GMT -6)   
I don't know of any pouches that come with vents.

I find that I can feel the difference w/my finger after the alcohol rub, even if I can't see it. It's less smooth.

It's really not that much harder to put on four or five of the vents as to do one, and not so hard when you get used to it. At first, I did think it was a big pain, and I ruined a pouch because I missed the part about cutting the cover....

I also have waited less than 24 hours, especially when it's hot and humid.

It is a lot of work figuring things out, but it's also amazing how quickly one can learn.... this list has been helpful.

BTW, you can wash out the vents in the shower or use a toothpick if they get clogged.
48 years old, female.
2004 dx indeterminate colitis. Back and forth between Crohn's and UC dx. Many drugs, minimal success.
2010-11 Crazy skin and eye complications, high fevers, bad flaring. Out of good drug options, tired of scary drugs.
Feb 2011 -- proctocolectomy with permanent ileolostomy; abscess, blood clot. Still healing, still glad for the surgery

polishdan
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   Posted 6/15/2011 10:55 AM (GMT -6)   
Kelsie
With the EZ vents you really don't need to wait 24 hours. When I first started using them I put them on AFTER I put the pouch on and made the hole with a scissor blade from the outside. EZ vents have never failed or leaked for me. Just use 93% alcohol, not alccohol wipes. As for filters, they are usually good for a day or two. I add an EZ with a fillter. They are good for a day at a function like a wedding. I wear convatec pouches.

Dan

Trixiemom
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   Posted 6/15/2011 10:56 AM (GMT -6)   
I use the vents and I make up a box at a time. Make sure you are using the type of alchol they say. I love the vents a pain to put on but worth the effort. Trixiemom
have loop ileostomy
diagnosed with colon inertia
I love my ileo and life

Kelsie
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   Posted 6/15/2011 11:52 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks, everyone.  I guess I was just hoping there was an easier way.  :)  I think I will have her try one before I go punching holes in all of the bags just in case.  No one has had one leak like while they are sleeping or anything?  That was a fear she had.

Blueheron
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   Posted 6/15/2011 6:32 PM (GMT -6)   
I have given up on the filtered pouches. Somehow, even when I am just sitting, my output works its way up into the top of the pouch and clogs the filter. If it doesn't happen then, it most definitely does when I sleep. I am lucky if I get a day's worth of time on them. I also had Convatec filters leak unless I put a sticker over them which basically defeated the purpose of a filter. I had one box of defective Coloplast pouches that leaked on the seam of the filter. So now I stick to Convatec filterless pouches.

I use the EZ vents and really like them. I only had one open once when I sat down and my belt got caught under the vent flap and popped it open. I noticed the smell right away, but output didn't leak out before I closed it again. Other than that one freak mishap, they have proven to be very secure if you close them tight enough. It is very easy to discreetly let air out of your pouch which is so handy. A few times I forgot to put one on my pouch ahead of time. In these cases, I put one on right when I changed, waited 24 hours and then poked the hole from the outside.

Like some others have mentioned, I just do a big batch at once while I am sitting and watching TV. Then I always have a pouch with an EZ Vent ready to go and don't have to worry about forgetting.
-39 years old
-Officially diagnosed with UC in 2006, though had symptoms since 1999.
-Had mild/moderate symptoms continuously until severe flare in autumn 2010 which required 2-week hospital stay
-Took Asacol, Rowasa, Canasa and Prednisone to manage flares but meds stopped working
-Tried 1 dose of Remicade but had excruciating joint pain and discontinued
-Had permanent ileostomy surgery 11/8/2010

BunnyWabbit
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   Posted 6/17/2011 12:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello to everyone :)

I have two stomas, the ileostomy one I've had for 22 years.
There has been leaks from the seal now and again, like I imagine many ostomates have experienced, that is sort of slightly accepted and understood, but I had my delivery 2 days ago, the first I used I got a leak and just assumed it was the seal, but on looking it wasn't, this confused me as naturally I was in a pickle and messed, but I sorted myself out and used another one, then went to bed for the evening, early morning I woke up covered, again it wasn't the seal.
I now know that it is coming from the filter, but what confuses me is that this has never happened before, and as far as I am concerned they are the same Coloplast Inspire Soft Seal, the 'Lot' number is 2738472, and the code number is 14414..
Has anyone else maybe found this happen if they have these same ones?..I have had to contact my delivery service, they were wonderful and will send out 1 box of an other brand to see me through and I was asked to send 2 stoma bags to them so they can see them and they will contact Coloplast.
I have read here now about the same happening, and I will ask my doctor if I can change to the filterless ones, but just strange how this problem is only happening since I got my latest delivery.

Sarah.

run4pancakes
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   Posted 6/19/2011 11:04 AM (GMT -6)   
I got some sample bags with filters and I didn't really care for them. I found for the day or two that the filter worked, it kind of made the bag vacuum down and then if I had more firm output it would get stuck. Then the filter would quit working altogether on day 2 or so. Seemed kind of pointless to have the aggravation of the vacuum effect for just the one day it would work. I have a sample ez vent but have never tried it. I guess I don't uave that much gas so it's just not an issue. If I get too poofy I just go empty and push the air out the tail.
UC dx 2/08

Done with the drugs. Step 1 (of 3) J-pouch surgery 3/22/11, Steps 2 & 3 TBD
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