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brodie12
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   Posted 1/2/2008 3:35 PM (GMT -7)   
    Hi  ---  New member here  - Just wondering if anyone has tried the kegel exercise program that Peter Dornan ( Australian sports physiotherapist) descibes in his book Conquering Incontinence  2003 Allen & Unwin Publishers .  I've just started it-no improvement yet- but he says it takes a while          Brodie12

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   Posted 1/2/2008 5:39 PM (GMT -7)   

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   Posted 1/2/2008 5:41 PM (GMT -7)   

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kw
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   Posted 1/2/2008 9:46 PM (GMT -7)   
Without getting too specific....what is his method?

KW
    43
    PSA 5.7 - Discovered during Annual Physical with Family Practice Dr.
        Biopsy Sept. 27, 2006 - Diagnosis Sept. 29 - 3 of 12 positive (up to 75%) all on left side of prostate, Gleason 7
        RRP on Oct. 17, - Nerves on right side saved.
    All Lab's clear.  No Cancer outside prostate
    Cathiter in for 28 days due to complications in healing. Removed Nov. 9, 2006
    First Post op PSA on Dec. 11, 2006  Undetectable 0.00
    Office visit on Jan. 19th due to continued excessive urine leakage.
    Feb.20th Cystoscope and 2nd Post Op PSA. Another 0.00.....:)
    Dr. said everything looks fine.  Continue to work Kegeal's. Leaking appears to have improved  after Cystoscope?!?!?!  Down to 3-4 pads per day!
    March 1st  Leaking has crept back up to 6 - 8 pads a day ??????? 
    March 29th Collagen injection into sphincter / bladder neck area to control excessive leaking.  Worked for a couple of days then back to leaking.
    April 17th (Six Months Post Op) 2nd Collagen Injection to control excessive leaking.  Leaking started back next day at work!
    May 14th Second Opinion about my leaking and Options at OU Medical Center.  After reviewing my records the Dr. feels I will probably need some surgical intervention to stop my leaking.  But did agree to try Bio-Feedback and work hard on the Kegeal's first!
    May 30th Follow up with my Dr. and 3rd Post Op PSA 0.00 agian!!!
    June 1st Start Bio-Feedback to try to control my leaking.
    Oct 17, 2007 1 year Post Op - Still fighting moderate / Severe incontenance. Using 4-6 pads a day.  Erections usable....sometimes!  Almost like before with 100mg Viagra!
    December 5th, 4th post op PSA 0.01!?!?!?   Is that still a 0?  Still leaking!!!!
   


Bruno-boy
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   Posted 1/3/2008 7:47 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi:
 
For the first three weeks after surgery, I was doing the kegel exercise following my surgeon's recommendation, three times a day, 20 times each time for 10 seconds on and off.  I found that I was in more trouble after three weeks.  After reading other cases doing the kegel exercise, I found a few people indicating that sometimes, recommended kegel exercises can be too much so I reduced the number of times to twice a day, 10 times each time for 7 seconds on and off.  Believe it or not, the improvement was almost immediate and the leakage started diminishing within the next couple of days.  Conclusion:  try to determine what works best for you since we all seem to respond differently to recommended kegel exercises.
 
It has now been 7 weeks since the surgery and I am down to one pad a day  ... for perhaps a couple of small leakages per day while laughing or sneezing or lifting something.
 
Good luck, be patient and remain positive.
 
Brunoboy

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57 year old
Biopsy on October 30, 2007
PSA: 3.4
Gleason Score:  (3 + 4)  7/10
Stage:  T2a
Radical retropubic prostatectomy and left pelvic lymph node dissertion done on Nov. 8, 2007
Catheter removed November 29th, 2007
Still experiencing leakage on a daily basis.
Have not been able to get an erection yet.
Synoptic Report for Prostatic Carninoma on the Surgical Pathology Report states the following: «Tumour involves both lobes with focal extraprostatic extension (pT3a)».
First PSA test is scheduled on February 11th with results from my Urologist on February 25.

brodie12
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   Posted 1/3/2008 3:40 PM (GMT -7)   
KW   - Good to hear from you - I've read your remarkable journey - it's because of you and others (Berb , jefnef , gene ,etc)        in this forum that are in the same boat I am ( 11 months post op )  that I am not giving up either and  am determined to beat this thing
 
   To answer your question   -   He is an advocate of integrating massive amounts of stomach exercises (sit-ups , crunches, leg lifts) with pelvic floor exercises-
 he calls it retraining the reflex circuit mechanism to enhance the continence mechanism.
         
       thanks    Brodie12
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