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Tim G
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   Posted 1/16/2008 12:12 AM (GMT -7)   
When I was told I had prostate cancer, it was emotionally like a kick in the stomach by a black-belt in Karate.  I've shed tears over it. My wife and I have cried together over it. And now, come to find out, that tears are a good thing (of course, most women know that already)
 
Researchers have found that emotional tears play a direct role in alleviating stress.  Tears related to emotions have two chemical components not found in tears related to physical phemonena , for example, eye irritation from cutting an onion or from wind.
 
These two chemicals are leucine-enkephalin and prolactin.  The first chemical is thought to be an endorphin, one of the body's natural pain-relieving substances. 
 
Tears are an exocrine substance, produced by the body and released to the outside, like sweat, urine and exhaled air.  Tears, it is thought, may help to cleanse the body of substances that accumulate under stress.
 
In a study of 200 men and women, 40% felt a reduction in stress after crying and the majority reported feeling better.   The study also showed that men cry 20%  as often as women.  It may be a manly thing to hold it inside, but when dealing with something like prostate cancer, that's a crying shame.


Age 59 PSA 2.6 (PSA velocity--quadrupled in 1yr) 1 of 12 biopsy cores positive
Bilateral nerve-sparing open RRP 6/21/06  Gleason 5
Cancer confined to prostate, post-op PSA's non-detectable


Tony Crispino
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   Posted 1/16/2008 3:13 AM (GMT -7)   
I certainly should be stress free by now. I guess it's to a limit with the tears. My next PSA, CT, and likely ADT is in less than two weeks. Like Biker90 I'm on pins and needles. And not the accupuncture kind. But I do agree. I've quoted this here before:

"To me, there are three things we all should do every day. We should do this every day of our lives. Number one is laugh. You should laugh every day. Number two is think. You should spend some time in thought. And Number three is, you should have your emotions moved to tears, could be happiness or joy. But think about it. If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special."
Coach Jim Valvano, 1993 (Died of adenocarcinoma two months later)

Tony
Age 45 (44 when Dx)
Pre-op PSA was 19.8
Surgery on Feb 16, 2007
Post-Op Pathology was poor: Gleason 4+3=7, 4 positive margins, Stage pT3b (Stage III)
HT began in May, '07 with Lupron and Casodex 50mg
IMRT radiation for 38 Treatments ending August 3, '07
 
My PSA did drop out after surgery to undetectable.  It has not returned and I will continue HT until January '08.
 
My Life is supported very well by family and friends like you all.
 
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STAY POSITIVE!


War-eagle
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   Posted 1/16/2008 6:07 AM (GMT -7)   

I'm like Tony. I should be stress free. We (my bride of 28 years and me) will look at each other at the breakfast room table sometimes and just say, "I guess it's time for a good cry". How better to share your love and problems in life than with a "Good Cry".

Tony, I know that "Jimmy V" left off one thing to do every day. Pray! It's a s good or better than the cry.

Peace and love,

War Eagle (Walt) 


Age: 54
PSA 43 7/2005
Biopsy 12/14 Gleason 7 & 9
Divinci 9/2005 - spread to bladder
HT - 10/2005 (Eligard every 6 months)
RT - 10/2005 (38 treatments)
PSA 0.12 to 1.9 2/2007
Bone Scan and CT 4/2007 Bone mets
Casodex 4/2007
Zometa infusions 4/2007
PSA 4.8 8/2007
PSA 6.34 12/2007
Radiation (15 treatments) started on bone mets 12/2007
PSA 6.72 1/2008
 
 
"I will persist without exception - I will find a way where there is no way"


FLHW(David E)
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Total Posts : 201
   Posted 1/16/2008 7:42 PM (GMT -7)   
If I didn't cry about this I'd have gone crazy along time ago.
Tears cleanse your mind.....
Dx'd 2/18/05
PSA 219, bone mets, lymph node involvement
Gleason Score: 7
Current (12-31-07)
PSA: 30
Lupron, Keto_Hydrocortizone, Avodart

Personal Blog:
prostatecancerat42.blogspot.com


NewJourney
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Total Posts : 30
   Posted 1/16/2008 7:53 PM (GMT -7)   
I remember reading an article back in the 60's(?), 70's(?) that stated that the chemical make up of tears cutting onions and tears from emotional stress were quite different as the initial post brings out.
 
I for one, will admit, when under stress I will think of an emotional event in my life (actors do the same basically) to start me crying.
 
Never ceases to amaze me how well that works. Stress level drops. Much easier to cope. And no drugs neded.
Age: 53
PSA: 4.8
Stage: T1C
Prostate, right base, core biopsies:
Adenocarcinoma.
Gleason’s grade 3+3=6.
Carcinoma involving two core biopsies and 50% of sampled tissue with a linear measurement ofapproximately 3 mm.
Perineural infiltration present.
Surgery: 10-Jan-08. Dr. Vipul Patel, Celebration Hospital in Celebration, FL.


Paul1959
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   Posted 1/16/2008 8:05 PM (GMT -7)   
I have a friend who is an Anthony Robbins Devotee. He sent me this video. Usually I find them a bit trite. this one, though, struck a chord with me. Probably cause it's right where I am now.

http://www.tonyrobbins.com/12tenets

It goes along with the laugh and cry idea. I liked this one. I hope you do too.
Happy New Year,
Paul
47 at Diagnosis.
Father died of Pca 4/07 at 86.
1/06 PSA 3.15
1/07 PSA 4.6      (Biopsy 3/07 just suspicious)
10/07 PSA 5.06   (Biopsy 11/07  1 of 12 with 8% involvment) (1mm)
Da Vinci surgery Jan 5, '08 at Mt. Sinai Hosp. NYC  www.roboticoncology.com
Saved both nerve bundles.
Path Report:  Stage 2cNxMx
-Gleason (3+3)6
-totally contained to prostate,
-10% involvement in L & R Mid lobes
 
 


DesertGal
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Date Joined Dec 2007
Total Posts : 65
   Posted 1/21/2008 1:41 PM (GMT -7)   

Thanks Paul,

I loved that video, it really brightened my day!

Marie


Husband 55 years old
No symptoms
PSA taken on routine health exam
06/18/07  PSA 9.2
07/14/07  Put on antibiotics for a month
09/18/07  PSA 8.77
09/18/07  PSA % Free  9.61
10/17/07  Biopsy =  Gleason 3 + 4  (7)
10/17/07  Biopsy 40% Right Side less than 5% Left Side
12/31/07  D Day!  Davinci Surgery Day - Jon Huntsman Cancer Institute
12/31/07  Left side nerves spared, Right side partial, right nodes taken
01/03/08  Home from the hospital! Let the healing begin!
01/11/08  Cath removed, post-op gleason 3 + 3 = 6, nodes clear
                Margins - capsular invasion but no penetration.  T2C


JCL
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Date Joined Jul 2007
Total Posts : 242
   Posted 1/21/2008 4:37 PM (GMT -7)   
The day I was diagnosed, my wife and I immediately called in to our employers to tell them we wouldn't be back in to work that day. First we shed tears in the car, and then we took a trip to a small, quaint town where we now make our home, had lunch in a nice cafe, had a glass or two of wine and focused on nothing, nothing but the positive. I had already decided by that time on robotic surgery, and the biopsy indicated that the cancer was at an early stage. We told ourselves that it is what it is, and that we were going to make the best we possibly could of the situation, and were NOT going to waste any energy thinking about what could go wrong. We focused everything, and I mean everything on the positive side of things: The cancer appeared to be contained; I was young and the chances were very good that I would regain continence and erections; I was in good physical condition; and my father had his prostate removed 10 years ago and had been cancer free ever since. I can't tell you how emotionally and mentally what a big help it was focusing on the positive, and so far, thank God, everything appears to be a success.

Prostate cancer is too big a deal to be wasting any energy on negative thoughts. Positive margins, negative margins, rise in PSA, negative PSA. Whatever, PC is now a part of our mentality, and for the rest of our lives we need to look at the glass as half full as opposed to half empty.
Diagnosed: March 25, 2007. Age 49
Biopsy: Gleason 6. Five of twelve samples positive with <5% each. No perineural invasion seen.
Surgery: May 21, 2007
Post-op Pathology: Upgraded to Gleason 7 (3+4), negative margins, negative capsular penetration, negative seminal vesicles, lymph nodes left intact, multifocal perinural invasion, 15% of prosate involving cancer in both lobes. T2c
Continence: Out of pads at five weeks. Seven months post-op I'm fully continent.
Erections: Yes! With the assistance of Cialis.
Post Surgery PSA: Three tests, all <0.1
Family history: Great-great grandfather died from PC. My Father had his prostate removed at age 67 in 1997 and has had an undetectable PSA ever since. I was diagnosed at a much earlier age and had a more agressive cancer than my father. Go figure.

Post Edited (JCL) : 1/21/2008 5:13:54 PM (GMT-7)


Tim G
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   Posted 1/22/2008 9:18 AM (GMT -7)   
JCL said...
Prostate cancer is too big a deal to be wasting any energy on negative thoughts. Positive margins, negative margins, rise in PSA, negative PSA. Whatever, PC is now a part of our mentality, and for the rest of our lives we need to look at the glass as half full as opposed to half empty.
      I appreciate what you said, JCL, which gave me a new perspective on prostate cancer.  It is now an  intimate part of who I am. And to look at it in this way is a great help in putting things in perspective.  Thanks...Tim
 


Age 59 PSA 2.6 PSA velocity quadrupled in 1 yr 
1 of 12 biopsy cores positive Open RP 6/21/06  Gleason 5
Cancer confined to prostate  Post-op PSA's non-detectable


DesertGal
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Date Joined Dec 2007
Total Posts : 65
   Posted 1/22/2008 1:34 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi JCL,

What a wonderful attitude you and your wife have.  We are looking at it in the same light, and focus on the positive and always find good in every situation.  If we have to go to a Plan B, then so be it. PC will no doubt change our life, but in no way will it stop us from living it.  We have lots to be thankful for.

Thanks,
 
Marie
Husband 55 years old
No symptoms
PSA taken on routine health exam
06/18/07  PSA 9.2
07/14/07  Put on antibiotics for a month
09/18/07  PSA 8.77
09/18/07  PSA % Free  9.61
10/17/07  Biopsy =  Gleason 3 + 4  (7)
10/17/07  Biopsy 40% Right Side less than 5% Left Side
12/31/07  D Day!  Davinci Surgery Day - Jon Huntsman Cancer Institute
12/31/07  Left side nerves spared, Right side partial, right nodes taken
01/03/08  Home from the hospital! Let the healing begin!
01/11/08  Cath removed, post-op gleason 3 + 3 = 6, nodes clear
                Margins - capsular invasion but no penetration.  T2C


JCL
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Date Joined Jul 2007
Total Posts : 242
   Posted 1/22/2008 4:23 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Marie, Tim.

A benefit of this whole ordeal I didn't expect was that it brought my wife and I closer. Obviously I would have preferred an alternative vehicle but hey, I'm thankful. At least in this instance that old saying, "There's a silver lining in every cloud," proved to be true.
Diagnosed: March 25, 2007. Age 49
Biopsy: Gleason 6. Five of twelve samples positive with <5% each. No perineural invasion seen.
Surgery: May 21, 2007
Post-op Pathology: Upgraded to Gleason 7 (3+4), negative margins, negative capsular penetration, negative seminal vesicles, lymph nodes left intact, multifocal perinural invasion, 15% of prosate involving cancer in both lobes. T2c
Continence: Out of pads at five weeks. Seven months post-op I'm fully continent.
Erections: Yes! With the assistance of Cialis.
Post Surgery PSA: Three tests, all <0.1
Family history: Great-great grandfather died from PC. My Father had his prostate removed at age 67 in 1997 and has had an undetectable PSA ever since. I was diagnosed at a much earlier age and had a more agressive cancer than my father. Go figure.

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