The meat we eat in the USA and cancer

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Big one
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   Posted 2/3/2008 9:35 AM (GMT -7)   
Hello everyone,
 
I was reading the post of B&B's World:Pca and energetic healing. about the vegan diet. I just read a article in Mother Earth News, a magazine for hobby farmers and more. It opened my eyes on the price we pay for cheap and always available meat! I've been eating fish since (yes I know about the mercury). So here's a link to that article. And it's not only the USA, it's the same problem in Canada. There are alternatives, but you have to search to get a beef that has not been poisonned all his life. Same thing with chickens. Let's get informed for better choices. I don't want to be vegetarian, I want meat that won't kill us!
Lili
 
 
 


Mo & Lili in Ohio
Age 57
Prostate size 116 grams
Diagnosed 1/25/08 , DRE negatif, PSA 5.7
Gleason 3+3
3 out of 12 samples 10%, 20%, 40%.
Bone scan and cat scan results to come

Post Edited (Big one) : 2/3/2008 9:59:07 AM (GMT-7)


Swimom
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   Posted 2/3/2008 11:31 AM (GMT -7)   
Big,

Shopping at Trader Joe's or the local health food store may cost more but, the benefits and taste are worth it.
I will never give up meat but will make what we eat safe.

Paul
 


wd40
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   Posted 2/3/2008 11:57 AM (GMT -7)   
look at it this way, we have already lost the old walnut why give up a great steak or barbecue now.
nono
12/06/07 DaVinci and open prostate surgery after difficulties in breathing stopped the davinci.
Walked a lot
90% control the day the catherter removed.
pad only for a sneeze before the week was out
No pads most of the second week.


biker90
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   Posted 2/3/2008 12:21 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm with WD. Too much of anything will kill you but if you listen to all the warnings, you will have to starve. And the stuff that was bad for you one day is good for you the next.

If I worried about all the stuff that could have caused my cancer, I'd die from ulcers. The heck with it - eat what you want in moderation...

Jim
Age 73. Diagnosed 11/03/06. PSA 7.05. Stage T2C Gleason 3+3.
RRP 12/7/06. Nerves and nodes okay.
Catheter out on 12/13/06.  Dry on 12/14/06.
Pathological stage: T2C N0 MX. Gleason 3+4.
PSAs from  1/3/07 - 1/17/08 0.00. 
Next PSA test on 7/17/08
 
"Patience is essential, attitude is everything."
 


Tim G
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   Posted 2/3/2008 12:36 PM (GMT -7)   

Americans and Canadians do eat a lot of meat, but I'm not ready to go vegetarian.  Diet doubtless has a role in developing prostate cancer (looks like calcium, too, may contribute), but so do genetics and being sedentary.

I grew up in a family with lots of farmers (my parents were school teachers) and meat  was the centerpiece of every meal.  I've since modified my diet to include more fish, much less red meat and increased numbers of fruits and vegetables.  Part of this is because my wife--a lovely Swede--is not a big fan of meat.

What seems  to me the most practical and healthy of all the cuisines I've read about is Mediterranean (Eat, Drink and Be Healthy  by Walter Willett of Harvard University).  That said, I love Italian and Chinese food, too.  Actually, I love good food, period! 

I am more conscious of what I eat since getting pc (prostate cancer,not politically correct) and get about 60 minutes of exercise most days, as I have for years. 

With any luck, a vaccine is in the research pipeline so our sons and grandsons are not afflicted with this dread disease.  

 


Age 59 PSA 2.6 PSA velocity quadrupled in 1 yr 
1 of 12 biopsy cores positive (5%) Open surgery June 2006  Cancer confined to one small area of the prostate Gleason 5 Post-op PSA's non-detectable


wd40
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   Posted 2/3/2008 2:12 PM (GMT -7)   
I remember the original guy Euell Gibbons that believed about same thing you do was big on eating pine nuts. He died at the ripe old age of 64. LOL I know this is just one.
12/06/07 DaVinci and open prostate surgery after difficulties in breathing stopped the davinci.
Walked a lot
90% control the day the catherter removed.
pad only for a sneeze before the week was out
No pads most of the second week.


Big one
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   Posted 2/3/2008 2:30 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi again,
 
The main thing in the article was the hormones in the meat that multiply cancer cells (Are hormone implants safe?) and the diet of garbage they feed those poor beasts (Chewing gum, spent hens and garbage). I like my steak and the website www.eatwild.com can show you who has meat, eggs, dairy that are not full of hormone and antibiotics in your region. The next step is to find a fish farm! I hope it can help someone out there.
 
Lili

P.S. Thanks swimom for Trader's Joe

 


Mo & Lili in Ohio
Age 57
Prostate size 116 grams
Diagnosed 1/25/08 , DRE negatif, PSA 5.7
Gleason 3+3
3 out of 12 samples 10%, 20%, 40%.
Bone scan and cat scan results to come

Post Edited (Big one) : 2/3/2008 2:36:41 PM (GMT-7)


wd40
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   Posted 2/3/2008 3:05 PM (GMT -7)   
I should not taken the light the information you posted. You are trying to help and that is never the wrong thing to do. Keep preaching, it takes a long time to get through this hard head.
12/06/07 DaVinci and open prostate surgery after difficulties in breathing stopped the davinci.
Walked a lot
90% control the day the catherter removed.
pad only for a sneeze before the week was out
No pads most of the second week.


StrictlyInc
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   Posted 2/3/2008 3:05 PM (GMT -7)   
To quote the old Joe Jackson song, "Everything Gives You Cancer"...

But we can exercise common sense. Going organic is a good way to go. Balance is also good. I try to use those ideas to leverage the fact that I am basically a carnivore (I eat fruits and vegetables, of course, but I'm sure I eat more meat than is good for me

I shop primarily at Trader Joe's also! And try to eat a lot of fish and poultry. Prior to the cancer diagnosis, I was all poultry and fish for a few years. I have since gone back to red meat fairly often - I love ground beef, which I occasionally cheated with. And the occasional lamb or steak is hard to pass up!-
____________________

Prostate cancer diagnosed: May 15, 2006 (age 40)
Gleason score: pre-surgery 3+3=6; post-surgery 3+4=7
daVinci radical prostatectomy: July 25, 2006
size of tumor: approx 1.1 inches; negative margins from surgery

- number of pads/day at 3 months after surgery: 3 to 5
- number of pads/day at 4 months after surgery: 1 to 2
- number of pads/day at 6-18 months after surgery: 0 to 1

- 1st post-surgery PSA: 0 (Nov 2006); 2nd post-surgery PSA: 0 (Feb 2007)
- 3rd post-surgery PSA: 0 (May 2007); 4th post-surgery PSA: 0 (June 2007); 5th post-surgery PSA: 0

The search for timber: took Viagra/Cialis approx. every other day, ErecAid once a day, injections. Peyronie's diagnosed 7/5/07. Now on daily Cialis, L-arginine and pentoxyfylline. Peyronies has stabilized and significantly reversed.

- PGE1 batting average: .364 (4 for 11)
- Bimix batting average: .643 (9 for 14)
- Trimix batting average: .500 (1 for 2) Grand total 14 for 27 = .519

"Lost in the valley without my horses, no one can tell me what my remorse is..."


Swimom
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   Posted 2/3/2008 3:58 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey, to chime in here....my entrie family, with the exception of my parents / sibs are farmers. There has been but 1 cancer case on each side, ever. We have lots of old age, macular degeneration and my paternal grandfather's sibs had lots of heart diesease. I simply don't buy all the stories. The biggest reason we buy organic is, I prefer the taste of organic products. Growing up we had only organic veggies in the garden. If bugs got em , we just didn't have that veggie that year to can. Otherwise, we froze, canned and processed (polite for killed) everything we ate.

With so many farmers and family reunions, I refuse to believe that everything we eat is bad. Maybe we're just well preserved !

Swim
 


Tim G
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   Posted 2/4/2008 11:22 PM (GMT -7)   
Selmer--You make some good points about diet and prostate cancer.  Here is something that I downloaded a long time ago and that may interest you.  I've tried for 10 years or so to eat a relatively heart-healthy diet, which now includes prevention of prostate cancer recurrence.  From research  studies I've read, genetics and diet aside, exercise places an important role in cancer prevention.
Take care...Tim 
 


Age 59 PSA 2.6 PSA velocity quadrupled in 1 yr 
1 of 12 biopsy cores positive (5%) 
Open surgery June 2006  Cancer confined to one small area of the prostate Gleason 5
Post-op PSA's non-detectable


Big one
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   Posted 2/5/2008 8:34 PM (GMT -7)   
Thank you guys,

Selmer, I agree with you that plain common sense must tell us that food is part of the problem or the solution if you're willing.

TimG, I put that excellent article in "my favorite". Very precise with the supplements, vitamins,etc. I noticed that they recommend grounded flaxseed instead of flaxseed oil. Very good and up to date.

Lili
Mo & Lili in Ohio
Age 57
Prostate size 116 grams
Diagnosed 1/25/08 , DRE negatif, PSA 5.7
Gleason 3+3
3 out of 12 samples 10%, 20%, 40%.
Bone scan negative, ct scan maybe some lymph node
 

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