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siberian
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   Posted 2/28/2008 6:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello biker,
 
Have you done any research on the necessity of supplementing with progesterone ?---Let me know
 
ken
age 68
diag 10/07/2007
T1c
Gleason 3+3=6
prostate 66gm
13biopsies, 3pos.
Have selected the Davinci proedure, to be done in Feb. 2008

Siberian
(Ken)


biker90
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   Posted 2/28/2008 6:53 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey Ken,

Nope, I'm doing fine with testosterone injections and DIM. I'm not up on research - too many conflicting opinions. Don't want to mess with something that works. It took a long time to get here.

Jim
Age 73. Diagnosed 11/03/06. PSA 7.05. Stage T2C Gleason 3+3.
RRP 12/7/06. Nerves and nodes okay.
Catheter out on 12/13/06.  Dry on 12/14/06.
Pathological stage: T2C N0 MX. Gleason 3+4.
PSAs from  1/3/07 - 1/17/08 0.00. 
Next PSA test on 7/17/08
"Patience is essential, attitude is everything."
 


siberian
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   Posted 2/29/2008 10:47 AM (GMT -7)   

To Biker

Jim ,

I was on Testosterone hormone therapy until They discovered my prostate cancer. In fact it was probably the testosterone  gel that sped up what was probably an undetected prostate cancer.  I have not as yet had the operation, since I was trying to coordinate with my doctors, to get me in the best of health first, before the operation, because I had been suffering with  weakness and wanted to see if I could find the reason for it before surgery.  My problem started with undiagnosed diabetes, undiagnosed hypothyroidism, as well as the low testosterone. My own research led to the discovery of these problems---NOT THE DOCTORS---IT WAS MY OWN INSISTANCE TO ORDER CERTAIN BLOOD TESTS THAT DISCOVERED THE PROBLEMS  I  believe that if my hormones were in balance---I would not have developed these problems. I studied Dim after swimmom sugested I look into it.  I did, and I then found out about a doctor named John R Lee MD  He was the discoverer of the uses of progesterone in men.  And so I found out about the dangers of too much estradiol in a man's system---AND ALSO HOW PROGESTERONE MODERATED  THE EFFECTS OF ESTRADIOL IN OUR BODIES  First I tried DIM.  I brought down my estradiol from 35  to 10---IT WORKS-----Then I tried progesterone.  Almost immediately I began to feel  better and stronger-----and my equilibrium started to improve,---so it works also.  Jim,---if only we had doctors out there who knew how to balance our hormones,---we would eliminate many deseases before they even develop.

Ken


age 68
diag 10/07/2007
T1c
Gleason 3+3=6
prostate 66gm
13biopsies, 3pos.
Have selected the Davinci proedure, to be done in Feb. 2008

Siberian
(Ken)


biker90
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Total Posts : 1463
   Posted 2/29/2008 12:18 PM (GMT -7)   
Yeah Ken, I agree that doctors don't always follow-up with tests that could save us a lot of grief and expense. My family doc and my urologist both schedule me for 15 minute appointments and are always in a rush to get rid of me. If I'm still upright and breathing they figure I'm fine even though I have tried to talk to them on numerous occasions about hormone balance. Specialization and economics make it impossible to have a physician that gets the overall picture. For this reason I am going to use a homeopath as my family doctor in the future. This is a new adventure for me and I enter it with some fear and trepidation.

My journey with low testosterone is documented on my thread (link is below if anyone wants to see it). In short, it delayed my recovery by several months and nearly did me in.

Jim
Age 73. Diagnosed 11/03/06. PSA 7.05. Stage T2C Gleason 3+3.
RRP 12/7/06. Nerves and nodes okay.
Catheter out on 12/13/06.  Dry on 12/14/06.
Pathological stage: T2C N0 MX. Gleason 3+4.
PSAs from  1/3/07 - 1/17/08 0.00. 
Next PSA test on 7/17/08
"Patience is essential, attitude is everything."
 


Swimom
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Date Joined Apr 2006
Total Posts : 1732
   Posted 2/29/2008 5:04 PM (GMT -7)   
Siberian,
 
I am confused. You say you brought your very normal estradiol down from 35 to 10, the lowest end of "normal" ? Why? Was there a reason for wanting to drop it this low? Are you consulting with a Physician on this stuff? If not, please make sure you do in the near future. Although I am a big advocate of hormone responsibility, I am not in favor of taking unreasonable chances. And, the progesterone? You do know too much is as bad for a man as too little and that the threshold is quite narrow between the two? How much are you using and how is it going to be monitored? John Lee may have some good articles but he's also dead...hardly new material. Please, find a naturalpath to help guide some of these decisions.
 
Good Luck,
 
Vickie
 


siberian
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Date Joined Oct 2007
Total Posts : 94
   Posted 2/29/2008 10:41 PM (GMT -7)   

to swimmon,

I am monitoring the changes in both estradiol E2 and progesterone by laboratory testing, and repeated psa, tsh, thyroid and both testosterone and progesterone levels---closly monitoring the size of the prostate---If what I am doing works, the prostate will be shrinking, the psa  will be lower, the hypotyroidism will be controlled----and both thyroid medication  and diabetes medication will need to be reduced. Incidently swimmon  after a week on progesterone I am better co-ordinated and feeling stronger.  It is hoped that the progesterone will mediate the damage done by the estradiol. Dr Lee was world known and many doctors are now following his protocols.

Ken

 

 

 


age 68
diag 10/07/2007
T1c
Gleason 3+3=6
prostate 66gm
13biopsies, 3pos.
Have selected the Davinci proedure, to be done in Feb. 2008

Siberian
(Ken)


Swimom
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Date Joined Apr 2006
Total Posts : 1732
   Posted 3/1/2008 9:07 AM (GMT -7)   
Ken,

Okie Dokie. I've beaten this dead horse. Bottom line...Self medicating is always a brow raiser. Especially when I see the wrong remedies being used for the wrong reason and the wrong results happening. An E2 of 10 is not particularily good. It's not good for the muscles, bones or heart. 34 was good, beautiful, perfect !!!! Maybe Dr. Lee's fatal heart attack was the high cost he paid? I am very familiar with with his work.

Nuff for me on this subject,
Next!

Swim
 


siberian
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Date Joined Oct 2007
Total Posts : 94
   Posted 3/1/2008 9:40 PM (GMT -7)   
swimmom
 
Dim helps to reduce estradiol E-2, but not estreol E-1.  The good effect of estriol on the system are the ones you mentioned crediting estradiol.  Estreol is inhanced by Dim----, and you actually have more beneficial estrogen in your system,--by eliminating or limiting estradiol.
 
Ken
age 68
diag 10/07/2007
T1c
Gleason 3+3=6
prostate 66gm
13biopsies, 3pos.
Have selected the Davinci proedure, to be done in Feb. 2008

Siberian
(Ken)

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