Pump question- what's the results if veinous valves work?

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James C.
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   Posted 3/12/2008 8:29 AM (GMT -6)   
Someone in another thread just asked the question about how would you know if veinous valves were working if you are using the pump and not using rings.  The simple answer seems to be the penis will remain erect for some time after removal of the pump.  However, I have no first hand knowledge of this results (lol) and maybe the obvious first answer isn't so obvious. 
For those with veinous valves working again, able to gain and keep erections when using the pump, what has been your experience and results from this?  Is there a difference in valve action if the action is the result of a pump or if from actual sexual stimulation and 'normal' response to arousal?  Is stimulation and arousal required for those valves to work properly? 
James C. 
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Age 60 
4/19/07   PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7 06/05/07
7/11/07   Biopsy- 16 core samples, size of gland around 76 cc. Staging pT2c
7/17/07   Path report:  3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe , GS 3/3:6. 
9/24/07   (Open) Retropubic Radical Prostatectomy performed 
9/26/07   Post-op Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Staging pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
10/15/07  ED- begin 25mg Viagra nightly, Fully continent
11/15/07  1st Post-surgery PSA-0.01
01/14/08  Caverject started/stopped, aching and pain , Bimix started
02/04/08  Bimix X 6 tries, .1mL, .15mL, .2mL, .3mL, .4mL, .5mL, success at .5mL
3/24/08   ED- 6 mts.-continue 50mg Viagra and pump-no change-no response

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   Posted 3/12/2008 2:50 PM (GMT -6)   

I have had pretty good luck with erections since surgery yet am still diligent about using the pump for rehab. I have never tried the rings. After using the pump, the little guy is engorged but is not a full erection. However, if I combine the pump with erotic thoughts/images, the erection persists. I should qualify this by saying that persistence is not yet near pre-surgery levels, though manual stimulation will keep the erection going. I conclude from this that the venous valves closing are a consequence of erotic thoughts and sexual stimulation, and that the pump itself does not provide this sexual stimulation.

I should also add that the erotic thoughts combined with the pump achieves penile bloodflow that I cannot achieve the the pump alone. No matter how much I pump, there is a bit of extra length achieved with sexual arousal that the pump alone cannot create.

Age:45 (44 when diagnosed)
Father diagnosed and cured at age 52.
08/21/07: Diagnosed with T1c cancer
1 of 12 biopsy cores positive; 10% tissue
Gleason score: 3+3=6
PSA level prior to biopsy: 4.3 (velocity < 0.4ng/ml)
10/19/07: da Vinci prostatectomy by Dr. Vipul Patel
              Difficult surgery due to prostate inflammation.
              Both nerve bundles spared.
              Spongy erections began within 24hrs of surgery!
10/24/07: Catheter out; down to 1 Serenity pad/day next day.
              Final pathology: neg margins, no capsular penetration,
              Gleason 3+3=6, 5% tumor involvement, multi-focal.
11/04/07  First usable erection with Cialis
11/22/07  Thanksgiving - Bye-bye, pads
01/17/08  First post-surgery PSA result: < 0.008 ng/ml

James C.
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   Posted 3/16/2008 8:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Someone else want to share their experience?  One asks, several answers, all learn

Mike A
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Total Posts : 213
   Posted 3/17/2008 9:46 AM (GMT -6)   
In CaPCA's very well worded terminology, by using erotic thoughts and stimulation I can achieve some growth in the desired area, but not anywhere close to firm enough for penitration. Using the pump I can achieve the firmness needed, but without the rings it immediately deflates to preivous levels. With the rings it holds, but turns a little purple, and at the base it lacks the pre-surgical rigidity. Our phrase is "Turnip on a hinge." It is usable, but nowhere near what it was before. I'll be trying the injections (caverject or bimix) this spring, and will report back on results.
June 2005 - Age 53 PSA 4.8 at regular physical October 2005 - After several rounds of anti-biotics, PSA 5.2 at Urlogist November 2005 - Biopsy negative July 2006 - PSA 5.9 at regular Physical October 2006 - After several more rounds of anti-biotics PSA 8.1 November 2006 - Second biopsy - Positive December 2006 - Gleason (3+4=7), Tumor T1c, CT Scan and Bone Scan Negative
January 2, 2007 Robotic Prostatectomy, University of Rochester Medical Center - Tumor confined but larger than thought, only one nerve able to be spared. Margins clear. February 2007 - Three to fo ur pads a day, no erection with viagara. April 2007 - First Post-Surgical PSA 0.02. Down to one pad a day.July, 2007 - Six Month Post-op: PSA 0.04 No change in ED. October, 2007 - Nine Month Post-op: PSA back down to 0.02!Almost totally dry! Only slight improvement in ED - Will try injections if not improved by next appointment. January 2008: One Year Post-OP PSA 0.02 still dripping, but improving. Tried 500 dose of MUSE for ED, no luck. Will try 1000.

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