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Posted 4/4/2008 9:16 PM (GMT -6)
Hey how about this friends. Has anyone else heard of this????????????????
 
I am leaking as you would expect and my Doc today says there is a new way he wants me to try doing my kegels.
 
Please dont take this as a recomedation for I am trying it tonight first time.
 
stop liquids in the evening at around 800 or 900.
 
tighten kegel and hold for 3-4 minutes no longer.  Release for same time and start with 5 reps and build to 10.
 
I will let you know how it goes.
 
Frank
 
 
Frank S.
diagnosed 01-08-08 53 years old 
DRE always normal
Abnormal PSA for 5 or more years
2004 Biospy negative
2008 Biopsy positive (01-08-08)
10 cores, 1 positive and at 1% of that one core
Highest PSA 10 ever
Lowest PSA   4
Current PSA   6
Bone and Ct scans negative
Staged at T1C
Gleason 3+3 = 6
Robotic Da Vinci performed March 27th, 2008
University of Chicago
Dr. Arieh Shalhav
surgery at noon out to recovery at 500 pm
in recovery 3.5 hours
Cardiac arthmia issues
Surgery thursday pm home friday pm
Catheter out in 7 days typical early indications
 
Post Pathology
T2C
10 % of both portions of prostate
Seminal vessels clear
fat tissue clear
Tumor on bottom of prostate distal
1 positve margin distal at urethra
going to meet with oncologist to discuss treatment options if any
Gleason 7
 

Posted 4/5/2008 1:01 AM (GMT -6)
New stuff for me Frank,
But give it a shot. It may work great. Get well and heal that surgery. My prayers for that first PSA..

Tony
Age 45 (44 when Dx)
Pre-op PSA was 19.8
Surgery on Feb 16, 2007
Post-Op Pathology: Gleason 4+3=7, positive margins, Stage pT3b (Stage III)
HT began in May, '07 with Lupron and Casodex 50mg
IMRT radiation for 38 Treatments ending August 3, '07
Current PSA (1/08): <0.1
I will continue HT until May '09. 
Years in Remission (3/23/07): 1
Visit my Journey at:
 
STAY POSITIVE!
 
Prostate Cancer Forum Moderator

Posted 4/5/2008 5:30 AM (GMT -6)
Greetings Frank,

It's a new day.

Since I'm still in staples and my pal the "Pipe", (A size 20 Foley is NOT a catheter)
I am not doing kegels as yet, but I'm interested in how your new method works out for you.

My Dr. never used the term kegels, they liked the term "Pelvic Floor Muscle Exercises" instead. (ML thinks it might be some kind of property rights thing. I don't know.)

In any case, I was taught the old method which was to close and hold for 10 seconds.

Speaking strictly for myself, keeping the back door shut for an extended time after awhile can get pretty tiring and my Dr. said not to "Over due it".

I can't imagine holding 3 or 4 minutes, let me know how it goes, but I would also confirm the treatment plan. Did it come from the bio-feedback Nurse or the Dr.?

Any veterans got any thoughts on this?

See you in the chat room if my computer co-operates.

Billy
DIAG. 2/08
DRE POSITIVE
PSA 6.8
CONTAINED, LEFT SIDE, GLEASON 9
LUPRON, (3 MO.) 2/28
SURG, SCHED. 3/26/08
RRP, 3/26, HOME 3/31
BIOPSY REPORT:
GLEASON SCORE, 3+4
LEFT NERVE BUNDLE REMOVED, RIGHT RETAINED.
LEFT AND RIGHT LYMPH NODES NEGATIVE FOR MALIGNANCY.
BLADDER NECK , NEGATIVE FOR MALIGNANCY.
TUMOR CONFINED TO THE PROSTATE, INKED EXTERNAL SURFACE FREE OF INVOLVEMENT.
BILATERAL VAS DEFERENS, NEGATIVE FOR MAILIGNANCY.
BILATERAL SEMINAL VESICALS, NEGATIVE FOR MALIGNANCY.

WAITING NOW FOR 1ST POST OPERATIVE PSA, WHICH WILL DETERMINE VERY LITTLE DUE TO LUPRON INJECTION.

BASICALLY, THE "WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY" THE PHYSICIAN WAS SEEKING WAS REACHED AND HE GOT IT ALL.

Posted 4/5/2008 8:49 AM (GMT -6)
Good Mornng Guys,
 
My wife had told me about these kegels but I waited to confirm with the Doctor.  And yes this is right.  So new I had called his assistant earlier and he did not know of this new method.
 
I did the regular kegels 150-200 during the day 10/10 and then shut off the water and did the new ones last night.  No difference noted.  I was up 2-3 times to let some water out and still had a very soaked night diaper .  I am one to follow my Doc and do exactly what he says.  So I will keep you informed as to how it goes.
 
Now another point.  My Doc's ED instructions are now,  after catheter removed, 50 mg Viagra every other day in morning and to go for it manually at first and if possable with partner.  He says the most important thing is to be able to reach orgasm.  Well this morning was my first day.  Very scary,  was afraid of hurthing something but Doc said just dont be acrobatic tongue . I would try this but if I hurt I would stop.  On this matter I believe I got very lucky with things.  I developed a very workable organ and without too much effort yes I did.  It was very different but intense and I had to go lay down.  I quit smoking 2 years ago but if I had one I would have smoked it. I thought ED issues would take a lot longer than 9 days out of surgery.
 
Doc said the nerves pealed off very nice and went back easy as well.  I am not happy about the positive margin but regardingg ED this guy must be an artist.  I new going in he was very aggresive with continence and ED thats why I picked him.
 
I hope everyone has a great weekend,  here in Chicago this is our first nice spring weekend.  My son is home from college and I will take advantage of his young muscles.
 
Frank
Frank S.
diagnosed 01-08-08 53 years old 
DRE always normal
Abnormal PSA for 5 or more years
2004 Biospy negative
2008 Biopsy positive (01-08-08)
10 cores, 1 positive and at 1% of that one core
Highest PSA 10 ever
Lowest PSA   4
Current PSA   6
Bone and Ct scans negative
Staged at T1C
Gleason 3+3 = 6
Robotic Da Vinci performed March 27th, 2008
University of Chicago
Dr. Arieh Shalhav
surgery at noon out to recovery at 500 pm
in recovery 3.5 hours
Cardiac arthmia issues
Surgery thursday pm home friday pm
Catheter out in 7 days typical early indications
 
Post Pathology
T2C
10 % of both portions of prostate
Seminal vessels clear
fat tissue clear
Tumor on bottom of prostate distal
1 positve margin distal at urethra
going to meet with oncologist to discuss treatment options if any
Gleason 7
 

Posted 4/5/2008 11:22 AM (GMT -6)

Frank,

Great news on the erection!!

DanMan

Danman Bob
Age 57
Nerve-sparing, open prostate surgery November 13, 2007
Gleason score 9, PSA 14
Biopsy result - 9 of 12 sticks showed cancer
Despite high Gleason score, cancer was confined to the prostate
Possible post-surgery radiation therapy...decision likely in late April 2008, depending upon PSA at that time
Unrelated surgery January 2008 delayed incontinence recovery, which is now showing good signs of improvement (fraction of a pad a day as of March 2008)
Began using Viagra 3 times a week December 2007 to stimulate blood flow
Began using Osbon Erec-Aid Esteem manual pump for therapy mid-February 2008
Will probably begin using bimix injections in addition to Viagra and pump in May 2008

Posted 4/5/2008 1:02 PM (GMT -6)
DanmanBob,

Thanks for the praise. Let me know your thought process regarding radiation. How is your PSA doing?

Frank
Frank S.
diagnosed 01-08-08 53 years old 
DRE normal
High PSA for 5 or more years
2004 Biospy negative
2008 Biopsy positive (01-08-08)
10 cores, 1 positive and at 1% of that one core
Current PSA   6
Bone and Ct scans negative
Staged at T1C
Gleason 3+3 = 6
Robotic Da Vinci performed March 27th, 2008
University of Chicago
5 hour surgery , 3 hour recovery
Unexpected Cardiac issues appear and disappear?
Hospital stay 30 hours
Catheter out in 7 days  expected leakage
Erectile funtion back on line 9 days
 
Post Pathology T2C, Gleason 7, 10 % of both portions of prostate, Seminal vessels clear, fat tissue clear,Tumor on bottom of prostate distal, 1 positve margin distal at urethra, going to meet with oncologist to discuss treatment options if any at this time.
 

Posted 4/5/2008 4:50 PM (GMT -6)

My PSA was 14 and rising before surgery, then 0.2 five weeks after surgery.

Scheduled for another PSA test April 21.

Doc wants it below 0.1 or I will probably have radiation treatments this summer.

DanMan Bob

Danman Bob
Age 57
Nerve-sparing, open prostate surgery November 13, 2007
Gleason score 9, PSA 14
Biopsy result - 9 of 12 sticks showed cancer
Despite high Gleason score, cancer was confined to the prostate
Possible post-surgery radiation therapy...decision likely in late April 2008, depending upon PSA at that time
Unrelated surgery January 2008 delayed incontinence recovery, which is now showing good signs of improvement (fraction of a pad a day as of March 2008)
Began using Viagra 3 times a week December 2007 to stimulate blood flow
Began using Osbon Erec-Aid Esteem manual pump for therapy mid-February 2008
Will probably begin using bimix injections in addition to Viagra and pump in May 2008

Posted 4/5/2008 4:55 PM (GMT -6)
I will pray for that test Danman Bob. I guess my first will be early May.

Take care.

Frank
Frank S.
diagnosed 01-08-08 53 years old 
DRE normal
High PSA for 5 or more years
2004 Biospy negative
2008 Biopsy positive (01-08-08)
10 cores, 1 positive and at 1% of that one core
Current PSA   6
Bone and Ct scans negative
Staged at T1C
Gleason 3+3 = 6
Robotic Da Vinci performed March 27th, 2008
University of Chicago
5 hour surgery , 3 hour recovery
Unexpected Cardiac issues appear and disappear?
Hospital stay 30 hours
Catheter out in 7 days  expected leakage
Erectile funtion back on line 9 days
 
Post Pathology T2C, Gleason 7, 10 % of both portions of prostate, Seminal vessels clear, fat tissue clear,Tumor on bottom of prostate distal, 1 positve margin distal at urethra, going to meet with oncologist to discuss treatment options if any at this time.
 

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