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mgl
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   Posted 4/8/2008 5:59 AM (GMT -6)   
what is an average time for the improvement of ED after surgery?It's been one year for me with some results with cialis or viagra
50 years old
gleason 3+4=7 psa5.8 clinical stageT3a
Da vinci surgery April10 2007 Mayo clinic Rochester, Mn.
extraprostatic extension Gleason -same
pelvic lymph nodes -negative
Catheter out April 19
37 treatments IMRT ended 10/26/07


Ripandburn
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Date Joined Aug 2007
Total Posts : 125
   Posted 4/8/2008 6:16 AM (GMT -6)   
mgl

I am at 9 months. I have seen some improvement over that period of time, but I am not back to my old self. Bimix works great. I have recently had some successful penetration with both Viagra and Cialis. Nothing to be proud of. As you may have seen on this site, some guys get it back right away, and some guys never really get it back. The default answer that the doctors seem to give it that magic 1 year time period. Others may go 18 months or more. The problem is that we are all different. We should never give up hope.
52 years old
T1c 3+3=6
DaVinci July 16, 2007
largest cancer .2mm
Bladder Sling installed during prostate removal
nerve sparing with both nerve bundles intact
all cancer contained within prostate nothing near margins
11 weeks post-op - no more pads
3 PSA's all < .1 - Undetectable


James C.
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Total Posts : 4462
   Posted 4/8/2008 9:08 AM (GMT -6)   
Sometime past 6 months is my experience.  I'm still waiting for the first sign of it... eyes
James C. 
 
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Age 60 
4/19/07   PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/11/07   Biopsy- 16 core samples, size of gland around 76 cc. Staging pT2c
7/17/07   Path report:  3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe , GS 3/3:6. 
9/24/07   (Open) Retropubic Radical Prostatectomy performed 
9/26/07   Post-op Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Staging pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
10/15/07  ED- begin 50mg Viagra and Vacurect pump nightly, Fully continent
1/14/08  Caverject started/stopped, aching.  2/24/08 .5ml Bimix started-success
3/24/08   ED- 6 mts.-Viagra, pump, no response- Bimix continues
Post-surgery PSA's:  3 mt:0, 6 mt:0,


Mike A
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Date Joined Feb 2007
Total Posts : 213
   Posted 4/8/2008 10:12 AM (GMT -6)   
MGL,
I am at 15 months with only limited improvement. Still, I can see some improvement, so I am not giving up. As you will see on this forum, everybody is different so trying to figure out an average will be difficult. Even after a year there is much hope for us!
Best,
Mike
June 2005 - Age 53 PSA 4.8 at regular physical October 2005 - After several rounds of anti-biotics, PSA 5.2 at Urlogist November 2005 - Biopsy negative July 2006 - PSA 5.9 at regular Physical October 2006 - After several more rounds of anti-biotics PSA 8.1 November 2006 - Second biopsy - Positive December 2006 - Gleason (3+4=7), Tumor T1c, CT Scan and Bone Scan Negative
January 2, 2007 Robotic Prostatectomy, University of Rochester Medical Center - Tumor confined but larger than thought, only one nerve able to be spared. Margins clear. February 2007 - Three to fo ur pads a day, no erection with viagara. April 2007 - First Post-Surgical PSA 0.02. Down to one pad a day.July, 2007 - Six Month Post-op: PSA 0.04 No change in ED. October, 2007 - Nine Month Post-op: PSA back down to 0.02!Almost totally dry! Only slight improvement in ED - Will try injections if not improved by next appointment. January 2008: One Year Post-OP PSA 0.02 still dripping, but improving. Tried 500 dose of MUSE for ED, no luck. Will try 1000.


Frank1205
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Date Joined Feb 2008
Total Posts : 308
   Posted 4/8/2008 5:23 PM (GMT -6)   
I am 11 days out. My Doc really pushes this ED thing. I had morning erections day 3 on even with the catheter.(Ouch!) I am 54 and rarely had morning erections before surgery for many years. After Catheter was out Doc gave me 50 mg Viagra in morning (every other day) and told me to exercise the organ to climax if possable. Goal is not to have intercourse but to increase blood flow. I have had two rounds of this. It seems if I take Viagra on a morning stomach before breakfast the effects are much greater. I would trade this for better continence issues in a minute. Its not too usefull with the dripping thing if you know what I mean. My wife is great with this and we may try condoms. At week two or three. I dont want to hurt anything. Doc says dont worry just dont do acrobatics. Very funny. There is only so much vanity I can give up at once. Going to bed in a diaper is low on my romance scale. Funny thing, I dont hear alot of guys on this site that were dry day one and had no ED issues. Its either one or the other success or delay.

Good Luck to you I agree with all the comments here, everyone is a different case.

Frank
Diagnosed 01-08-08 @ 53 years old 
DRE normal - High PSA for 5 or more years
2004 Biospy negative - 2008 Biopsy positive (01-08-08)
10 cores, 1 positive and at 1% of that one core
Current PSA 6 - Bone and Ct scans negative
clinicalg Staged at T1C - Gleason 3+3 = 6
Robotic Da Vinci performed March 27th, 2008
University of Chicago
5 hour surgery , 3 hour recovery
Unexpected Cardiac issues appear and disappear?
Hospital stay 30 hours - Catheter out in 7 days  normaly expected leakage - Erectile funtion back on line 9 days 
Post Pathology T2C, Gleason 7, 10 % of both portions of prostate, Seminal vessels clear, fat tissue clear,Tumor on bottom of prostate distal, 1 positve margin distal at penis, going to meet with oncologist to discuss treatment options if any at this time.
 


concernforall
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Date Joined Jan 2008
Total Posts : 6
   Posted 4/8/2008 8:10 PM (GMT -6)   

The NY Times had an article on this that drew a large number of personal responses, which I found very helpful.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/sex-after-prostate-surgery/?emc=eta1

I think it was here that I read one man reporting that it was a full three years after surgery before his sexual function stabilized at whatever place it did.

Best wishes,

 

 

 


Roger G
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Date Joined Apr 2008
Total Posts : 150
   Posted 4/16/2008 2:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Six months out and dry, but limp as an overcooked noodle. It looks like you either get the continence back or the errection back quickly, but not both.

I'm really hoping it does come back, as I'm not looking forward to 40+ years and no sex.


Age: 43 (2008)
DRE Small Ridge on prostate, PSA 1.5
07/2007: Diagnosed cancer, T2c, Gleason 3+4=7
09/2007: Laparoscopic prostectomy @ Hamilton General, 4 hrs.
              Both nerve bundles spared
              Pathology Report: Tumor confined w/in prostate
              T2c, Gleason is 3+3=6
              Went home with JP drain
10/2007: Made return trip to hospital.  All urine was comming out JP drain.
10/2007: Catheter removed. Next to no leakage
11/2007: 1st PSA <.003 :)
              ED: Started Viagra, no response yet.
12/2007: Had confidence to go padless!!!!!
12/2007: ED:  Stopped Viagra as it's causing hemroid problems.
01/2008: 2nd PSA <.003 :)
              ED: next to no response.
04/2008: 3nd PSA <.003 :)
              ED: next to no response.  Changed the Viagra prescription.
 

Post Edited (Roger G) : 4/17/2008 8:03:44 AM (GMT-6)


puget
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Date Joined Mar 2007
Total Posts : 237
   Posted 4/16/2008 10:49 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm at 10 months and finally beginning to see some welcome improvement. Still no "spontaneous" erections, but some pretty good ones with manual stimulation but without chemical assistance. (I couldn't say that even a couple of months ago.) My dr has told me that improvement can continue up to 2+ years. Don't give up hope. I think we heal at different rates, and I'm still determined to see a real -- and natural -- woody!
Puget
60 years old
Dx March 2007
Pre-Surgery Gleason 3+3 = 6
Clinical Stage: T1c
Biopsy: 1 in 10 positive
Da Vinci: June 7, 2007 
Post-Surgery Gleason 3+3 = 6
   Clear at margins
First Post-PSA Sept 07 = <.01 (Hooray!!)
Second Post-PSA March 08 = 0.02


Paul1959
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   Posted 4/17/2008 6:05 AM (GMT -6)   

I am taking 100 mg viagra every night. I was able to have pretty much back to normal sex at 10 weeks - interestingly about the same time that I was finally dry.  There is a study out there that showed the larger dose of viagra not only helped ED, but also reversed the shrinkage and after a year the subjects were back to norml size. Thank god for alldaychemist.com!

Paul


47 at Diagnosis.
Father died of Pca 4/07 at 86.
1/06 PSA 3.15
1/07 PSA 4.6      (Biopsy 3/07 just suspicious)
10/07 PSA 5.06   (Biopsy 11/07  1 of 12 with 8% involvment) (1mm)
Da Vinci surgery Jan 5, '08 at Mt. Sinai Hosp. NYC  www.roboticoncology.com
Saved both nerve bundles.
Path Report:  Stage T2cNxMx
-Gleason (3+3)6
-totally contained to prostate,
-10% involvement in L & R Mid lobes
PSA 0 at six weeks
Pad free on March 14 - (10 weeks.)
ED - Take 100mg viagra every night.
Totally usable erections at 10 weeks.
 
 


beachbum50
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Date Joined Sep 2007
Total Posts : 292
   Posted 4/17/2008 8:48 AM (GMT -6)   

I was lucky to be try from day one after the cath came out, but ED was left in it's wake. The Doctor has had me on Cialis three times a week, and just started the pump 45 days ago. On Monday, which was 6 months and three days after my surgery, I awoke to my first natural erection, boy, what a relief! Hope this will be the beginning of getting back to normal.

 

Beachbum


Beachbum
 
PSA 10 June 2007
Biopsy July 2, 16 of 16 samples positive
T2C
3+3=6
prostate weighed 40 grams
Di Venci 10/09/07, four hours on table, 3 in recovery
Total time in Hospital: 29 hours
Record for Dr. Lance, 65% of prostate had cancer, but NO spread, clean margins
Clean nodes,
First PSA at 5 weeks, UNDETECTABLE!
Catheter out at seven days, dry from hour one!
Second PSA 19 weeks post op, UNDETECTABLE 2/11/2008
The Lord has truly Blessed me.


Roger G
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Date Joined Apr 2008
Total Posts : 150
   Posted 4/17/2008 9:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Paul,

100mg a day was my original dosage of Viagra. While it did help things along, the extra blood flow really showed up in the Hemriods. OUCH!!! Now that they are under control again, thanks to some other wounderful drugs, I'm trying the viagra again.

I am looking forward to no more DREs.
Age: 43 (2008)
DRE Small Ridge on prostate, PSA 1.5
07/2007: Diagnosed cancer, T2c, Gleason 3+4=7
09/2007: Laparoscopic prostectomy @ Hamilton General, 4 hrs.
              Both nerve bundles spared
              Pathology Report: Tumor confined w/in prostate
              T2c, Gleason is 3+3=6
              Went home with JP drain
10/2007: Made return trip to hospital.  All urine was comming out JP drain.
10/2007: Catheter removed. Next to no leakage
11/2007: 1st PSA <.003 :)
              ED: Started Viagra, no response yet.
12/2007: Had confidence to go padless!!!!!
12/2007: ED:  Stopped Viagra as it's causing hemroid problems.
01/2008: 2nd PSA <.003 :)
              ED: next to no response.
04/2008: 3nd PSA <.003 :)
              ED: next to no response.  Changed the Viagra prescription.
 


StrictlyInc
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Date Joined Dec 2006
Total Posts : 357
   Posted 4/17/2008 10:11 AM (GMT -6)   
Paul1959 said...
I am taking 100 mg viagra every night. I was able to have pretty much back to normal sex at 10 weeks - interestingly about the same time that I was finally dry. There is a study out there that showed the larger dose of viagra not only helped ED, but also reversed the shrinkage and after a year the subjects were back to norml size. Thank god for alldaychemist.com!

Paul


Paul, which study is this?
____________________

Prostate cancer diagnosed: May 15, 2006 (age 40)
Gleason score: pre-surgery 3+3=6; post-surgery 3+4=7
daVinci radical prostatectomy: July 25, 2006
size of tumor: approx 1.1 inches; negative margins from surgery

- number of pads/day at 3 months after surgery: 3 to 5
- number of pads/day at 4 months after surgery: 1 to 2
- number of pads/day at 6-18 months after surgery: 0 to 1

- 1st post-surgery PSA: 0 (Nov 2006); 2nd post-surgery PSA: 0 (Feb 2007)
- 3rd post-surgery PSA: 0 (May 2007); 4th post-surgery PSA: 0 (June 2007); 5th post-surgery PSA: 0

The search for timber: took Viagra/Cialis approx. every other day, ErecAid once a day, injections. Peyronie's diagnosed 7/5/07. Now on daily Cialis, L-arginine and pentoxyfylline. Peyronies has stabilized and significantly reversed.

- PGE1 batting average: .364 (4 for 11)
- Bimix #3 batting average: .722 (13 for 18) Bimix #1 batting average (4 for 4) = 1.000
- Trimix batting average: .500 (1 for 2) Grand total 22 for 35 = .629

"Lost in the valley without my horses, no one can tell me what my remorse is..."


StrictlyInc
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Date Joined Dec 2006
Total Posts : 357
   Posted 4/17/2008 10:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Lots of young guys on this thread sad

I am at 21 months. There may be some slight improvement going on, but no suitable erections on just Viagra or Levitra (or Cialis). I do generally take a full dose of either generic Viagra (100 mg) or generic Levitra (20 mg) daily, and can get semi-erect with that.

Thank God for injections. Great results with the bi-mix that I'm using now, so my "batting average" is going up. I do notice on days right after the injection I can get more firmness than on days further from injections. I am now trying to do injections every 3 days or so, whether I have sex or not, just to get the feeling of swinging the old bat back. cool
____________________

Prostate cancer diagnosed: May 15, 2006 (age 40)
Gleason score: pre-surgery 3+3=6; post-surgery 3+4=7
daVinci radical prostatectomy: July 25, 2006
size of tumor: approx 1.1 inches; negative margins from surgery

- number of pads/day at 3 months after surgery: 3 to 5
- number of pads/day at 4 months after surgery: 1 to 2
- number of pads/day at 6-18 months after surgery: 0 to 1

- 1st post-surgery PSA: 0 (Nov 2006); 2nd post-surgery PSA: 0 (Feb 2007)
- 3rd post-surgery PSA: 0 (May 2007); 4th post-surgery PSA: 0 (June 2007); 5th post-surgery PSA: 0

The search for timber: took Viagra/Cialis approx. every other day, ErecAid once a day, injections. Peyronie's diagnosed 7/5/07. Now on daily Cialis, L-arginine and pentoxyfylline. Peyronies has stabilized and significantly reversed.

- PGE1 batting average: .364 (4 for 11)
- Bimix #3 batting average: .722 (13 for 18) Bimix #1 batting average (4 for 4) = 1.000
- Trimix batting average: .500 (1 for 2) Grand total 22 for 35 = .629

"Lost in the valley without my horses, no one can tell me what my remorse is..."

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