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zandor
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   Posted 5/3/2008 9:55 AM (GMT -6)   
can i revert a 2 year shrinkage process ?
I havent' had normal erections for 2 years.
During this time i noticed my penis getting smaller, even when i take viagra.

thanks

James C.
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   Posted 5/3/2008 10:40 AM (GMT -6)   

A penis pump would be the first thing to try to recover length.  Lots of guys use one here.  I know from personal experience I gained almost all of the inch I lost when erect.  One that's moderate cost and as effective as the high cost ones is found here:

http://www.vitalitymedical.com/vitalitymedical.storefront/481c861d031fe0d4271a424d36230619/Product/View/ENC44010001_ea

There's been some data out lately that penile injections offer the fastest and maybe the best option for recovery of function for post surgery guys.  A side effect of the recovery of erections is it does infuse blood and stretch the penis in a more normal way that the pump.  It provides infusion of blood, working the operation of the veinous valves and stretching the penile tissue, all vital components in the ability to get erect and remain that way.  Some of the guys who have used it long term may have more insight as to its ability to restore length.


James C. 
 
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4/19/07   PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/11/07   Biopsy- 16 core samples, size of gland around 76 cc. Staging pT2c
7/17/07   Path report:  3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe , GS 3/3:6. 
9/24/07   (Open) Retropubic Radical Prostatectomy performed 
9/26/07   Post-op Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Staging pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
10/15/07  ED- begin 50mg Viagra and Vacurect pump nightly, Fully continent
1/14/08  Caverject started/stopped, aching.  2/24/08 .5ml Bimix started-success
3/24/08   ED- 6 mts.-Viagra, pump, no response- Bimix continues
Post-surgery PSA's:  3 mt:0, 6 mt:0,


Paul1959
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   Posted 5/3/2008 10:46 AM (GMT -6)   
A pump is the first defense. then shots. If you're not getting erections after a year, please consider shots. When I asked my doc about shrinkage, he told me it was because erections were not full yet and the base of the penis inside the body is not filling either. So, you end up with a shorter penis than you remember. he said it is still there, it's just filled with enough blood to make it as big as before. The guys who are using trimix or bimix can probably tell you the results. Also, he told me to m*sturbate as often as possible - even without erection. It just stimulates the nerves....and it's good for your heart, he says. Sooo...doctor's orders!
Paul
47 at Diagnosis.
Father died of Pca 4/07 at 86.
1/06 PSA 3.15
1/07 PSA 4.6      (Biopsy 3/07 just suspicious)
10/07 PSA 5.06   (Biopsy 11/07  1 of 12 with 8% involvment) (1mm)
Da Vinci surgery Jan 5, '08 at Mt. Sinai Hosp. NYC  www.roboticoncology.com
Saved both nerve bundles.
Path Report:  Stage T2cNxMx
-Gleason (3+3)6
-totally contained to prostate,
-10% involvement in L & R Mid lobes
PSA 0 at six weeks
Pad free on March 14 - (10 weeks.)
ED - Take 100mg viagra every night.
Totally usable erections at 10 weeks.
 
 


zandor
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   Posted 5/3/2008 11:43 AM (GMT -6)   
I am the ones who wasnt warned about "maintain good blood flow to penis" to avoid penile tissue damage.
I just noticed this now and started to read about it, to find some answers. Now, 2 years after ( i'm 29 years old now), i see i need to keep my penis filled everyday :( (not only when having random sex .. as my case , i 'm single)
Even using cialis/viagra my penis far away from its old size and fulliness.

What are my chances?



PS: sorry my english

James C.
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   Posted 5/3/2008 12:18 PM (GMT -6)   

First, I'm surprised at your age.  I thought you were maybe a recovering prostate surgery guy much older, who had erectile and length troubles.  If I may ask, what's the source of your erectile disfunction?  How effective is the ED pills you take now?  How big a dose, how do you rate your erections- 80%, and usable or 70% and not usable, etc. 

Paul raises a good point about injections versus pumps, as far as filling the penis cavities back in the abdomen.  The injections will fill the penis with blood all the way back to the end of the 'shaft or root', inside the abdomen.  The pump usually only fills the penis back to the body end of the pump,

I can't give you any odds of recovery, as all of us are individuals and react differently to the same treatment.  I can say that trying is worth more than not doing anything, and some gain is better than none.  If you haven't had prostate removal surgery, which results in shortening in most cases, and if your dysfunction and shortening (maybe better described as atropy) is from disease or other causes, not surgical, then I would guess (and only a guess) that you could recover some length with either pumps or injections.  That's just a guess, and there's no basis for proving it so.   

James C.


kw
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   Posted 5/3/2008 11:14 PM (GMT -6)   

    I think I would try the injections if I were you.  I do not have much problems with ED but this is just an idea.

    KW


    43 at Dx and Surgery
    PSA 5.7, Biopsy 3 of 12 positive (up to 75%) all on left side of prostate, Gleason 7
    RRP on Oct. 17, 2006 - Nerves on right side saved. All Lab's clear. 
    Cathiter in for 28 days due to complications in healing. Removed Nov. 9, 2006
    First Post op PSA on Dec. 11, 2006  Undetectable 0.00.
    ED workable and usable with Viagra.
    Feb. 20th, 2007 - Feb. 4th, 2008  Cystoscope, Two Collagen injections,Second Opinion Consultation for Incontinance at OU Medical Center, Bio-Feedback training, Chiropractic, Accupuncture  to try to resolve ongoing incontinance (4-6 pads a day)  All PSA's 0.00.
    Feb. 4th, 2008 - Appointment with Original Dr. to discuss options and recomendation for surgical fix for incontinance.
    Feb. 22nd, 2008 - Surgery to install the AMS AdVance Male Sling.
    March 27th, 2008 - Sling not working, Little or no improvement.
    April 18, 2008 - Collagen injection.  Back to using 4-6 full pads a day within a week.
    May 15, 2008 - Another collagen injection to try to Band-Aid the leaking for our June cruise.  Will start making conusultation appiontments for AUS after we return.
 
     


GBINAB
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   Posted 5/4/2008 8:19 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Zandor ,
as JamesC says Pump would be the first thing to use i start using one after 6 months of NO erections and it is a great therapy also for erections.

i got myself this model from the same site as James C got his

http://www.vitalitymedical.com/vitalitymedical.storefront/481db4de03d241bd271a424d36230655/Product/View/AMA94009201_ea

..the only reason i got this model was that it can be operated with one hand and no need to hold the pump tight with the other, but they have a great selection for not so expensive.

Did you start getting erections after 2 years ? or not yet ? what kin of therapy you used and what kind of treatment you chose.

Keep us posted with your progress

Good Luck !!!
GB
:-)
April 2007 PSA 8.4 for last 6 months biopsy shows PC 3+3=6
June 13 2007 Went for open RP with Dr. Christopher Johnson at St. Francis Hospital NY. with nerve sparing of both sides.
4 days later home for Fathers Day, and Catheter.
Removal of catheter 10 days later , incontinence next to nothing, no pads used from the get go.
1 month PSA next to not detected

ED is a longer battle:1 month out start using occasionally Cialis and 50MG Viagra to promote blood flow with no response for 6 months.
3 months and 6 months PSA not detected
ED 6 months mark starting with VED therapy and being more aggressive with meds , in addition taking Folgard supplement daily.
April 2008 10 month out and start seeing some serious improvements with ED while using Meds and VED , can achieve erections, Mid nights erections almost on a regular basis , and uncontrolled 90 % erections spontaneously.
1 year visit on June 13 2008 woohoooo!!!

Post Edited (GBINAB) : 5/4/2008 7:39:07 AM (GMT-6)


zandor
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   Posted 5/4/2008 9:36 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi GB
thanks for your attention.

i had a surgery to decompress pudendal nerve (i'm cyclist) in august 2006. in the 2nd week after surgery i had morning erections, but not full as before, but it gave me hope to wonder that in the following months my erections would be full again. I used viagra and cialis for sex (not so frequent sex). But using viagra i had full and nice erections 2 years ago. What i noticed during this 2 years is that my penis became smaller and smaller. I thought i would recover and everything would be normal as before but it didnt. I noticed my morning erections were getting less frequent (now i dont have morning erections). Althoug my penis sensations are much better (almost 100% now).

I can have erections with Viagra, but i noticed last year .. my penis is hard but smaller (head of penis doesnt seem so big) and erections became more dificult (slowly) ,maybe spontaneous erections are getting weak and since i dont have normal nocturnal erections during this 2 years, just a guess.
My girl left me last year .. since then i havent had sex so frequently and then not using cialis.

After surgery, Doctor didnt tell me to use cialis twice a week to keep normal blood flow and then avoid penile tissue degeneration. My gues (and reading about it on internet) that no normal blood flow can cause penis to shrink and shorten. In the last 3 months i noticed my penis is smaller then ever (even in the erect state using cialis/viagra). It made me really sad.

My fear is that my penile tissue is becoming more and more short, loosing elasticity and ability to get filled, leading to permanent ED sooner or later. (i read about it).

My question is : Even after 2 years of normal erections absense, can i revert or stop this process of shrinkage? After so long time, i thought i would get better but the nightmare is back, i feel things are going to the wrong direction.


thanks a lot!

Post Edited (zandor) : 5/4/2008 8:44:26 AM (GMT-6)


GBINAB
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   Posted 5/4/2008 10:58 AM (GMT -6)   
zandor said...
Hi GB
thanks for your attention.

i had a surgery to decompress pudendal nerve (i'm cyclist) in august 2006. in the 2nd week after surgery i had morning erections, but not full as before, but it gave me hope to wonder that in the following months my erections would be full again. I used viagra and cialis for sex (not so frequent sex). But using viagra i had full and nice erections 2 years ago.
My girl left me last year .. since then i havent had sex so frequently and then not using cialis.

After surgery, Doctor didnt tell me to use cialis twice a week to keep normal blood flow and then avoid penile tissue degeneration. My gues (and reading about it on internet) that no normal blood flow can cause penis to shrink and shorten.
better but the nightmare is back, i feel things are going to the wrong direction.


thanks a lot!


Hi again Zandor,
If you indeed only 29 years old you are way too young to start having permanent ED
the first thing i would suggest to you as many do o this Prostate Cancer Board is to start daily Penile therapy with the aid o Viagra?cialis and the Pump combined .
That daily therapy will help your blood flow and restore some length back into your penis.
It is also suggested that you should ********* as often as you can while doing the other therapy (as they say Use it or Lose it ) evn if you do not have a partner fo sex you should start being aggressive with your own therapy and see how that works out for you.
If any further help needed i would suggest to see an ED consultant and maybe move up to Injection therapy...

Good Luck ! and keep us posted ... Hope you report back some good progress

GB :-)
April 2007 PSA 8.4 for last 6 months biopsy shows PC 3+3=6
June 13 2007 Went for open RP with Dr. Christopher Johnson at St. Francis Hospital NY. with nerve sparing of both sides.
4 days later home for Fathers Day, and Catheter.
Removal of catheter 10 days later , incontinence next to nothing, no pads used from the get go.
1 month PSA next to not detected

ED is a longer battle:1 month out start using occasionally Cialis and 50MG Viagra to promote blood flow with no response for 6 months.
3 months and 6 months PSA not detected
ED 6 months mark starting with VED therapy and being more aggressive with meds , in addition taking Folgard supplement daily.
April 2008 10 month out and start seeing some serious improvements with ED while using Meds and VED , can achieve erections, Mid nights erections almost on a regular basis , and uncontrolled 90 % erections spontaneously.
1 year visit on June 13 2008 woohoooo!!!


GBINAB
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   Posted 5/4/2008 11:04 AM (GMT -6)   
Paul1959 said...
A pump is the first defense. then shots. If you're not getting erections after a year, please consider shots. When I asked my doc about shrinkage, he told me it was because erections were not full yet and the base of the penis inside the body is not filling either. So, you end up with a shorter penis than you remember. he said it is still there, it's just filled with enough blood to make it as big as before. The guys who are using trimix or bimix can probably tell you the results. Also, he told me to m*sturbate as often as possible - even without erection. It just stimulates the nerves....and it's good for your heart, he says. Sooo...doctor's orders!
Paul


Paul i also agree with Use IT and DO NOT lose it method of therapy as well , i use the pump and daily oral meds
i also find that while i am using the pump .. a great help contributed to size is while the blood flowing using your Kegel excercise muscles to push more blod in and i noticed that the penis gets larger quicker and totally full with blood.


Did anyone else try it and noticed the same ??
GB
April 2007 PSA 8.4 for last 6 months biopsy shows PC 3+3=6
June 13 2007 Went for open RP with Dr. Christopher Johnson at St. Francis Hospital NY. with nerve sparing of both sides.
4 days later home for Fathers Day, and Catheter.
Removal of catheter 10 days later , incontinence next to nothing, no pads used from the get go.
1 month PSA next to not detected

ED is a longer battle:1 month out start using occasionally Cialis and 50MG Viagra to promote blood flow with no response for 6 months.
3 months and 6 months PSA not detected
ED 6 months mark starting with VED therapy and being more aggressive with meds , in addition taking Folgard supplement daily.
April 2008 10 month out and start seeing some serious improvements with ED while using Meds and VED , can achieve erections, Mid nights erections almost on a regular basis , and uncontrolled 90 % erections spontaneously.
1 year visit on June 13 2008 woohoooo!!!


StrictlyInc
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Total Posts : 357
   Posted 5/4/2008 2:46 PM (GMT -6)   
To zandor: are you currently seeing a physician about your situation? I agree with the advice given here, but just wanted to ask that question.

For my part, coincidentally, I was about to post the same question about recovering penis length. Between my prostate surgery and Peyronie's complications after surgery, I lost at least a couple of inches in length. I am now regularly using injections and occasionally using the pump. I am nearly 22 months post-surgery. So, I am wondering at this stage of the game if any recovery of length is possible, with the pump or otherwise. I have noticed that even my "pumped" length is less than it was before. Not a pleasant development, to say the least...
____________________

Prostate cancer diagnosed: May 15, 2006 (age 40)
Gleason score: pre-surgery 3+3=6; post-surgery 3+4=7
daVinci radical prostatectomy: July 25, 2006
size of tumor: approx 1.1 inches; negative margins from surgery

- number of pads/day at 3 months after surgery: 3 to 5
- number of pads/day at 4 months after surgery: 1 to 2
- number of pads/day at 6-18 months after surgery: 0 to 1

- 1st post-surgery PSA: 0 (Nov 2006); 2nd post-surgery PSA: 0 (Feb 2007)
- 3rd post-surgery PSA: 0 (May 2007); 4th post-surgery PSA: 0 (June 2007); 5th post-surgery PSA: 0

The search for timber: took Viagra/Cialis approx. every other day, ErecAid once a day, injections. Peyronie's diagnosed 7/5/07. Now on daily Cialis, L-arginine and pentoxyfylline. Peyronies has stabilized and significantly reversed.

- PGE1 batting average: .364 (4 for 11)
- Bimix #3 batting average: .722 (13 for 18) Bimix #1 batting average (8 for 8) = 1.000
- Trimix batting average: .500 (1 for 2) Grand total 26 for 39 = .667

"Lost in the valley without my horses, no one can tell me what my remorse is..."


Piano
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   Posted 5/4/2008 6:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Zandor -- you are concerned about your problem so please do see a physician. Nothing to be embarrassed about -- those of us here here who have been treated for prostate cancer have been through much worse. Private parts? -- we don't have those any more. :-)
 
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Age 63. Other than cancer, in good health; BMI 20
Pre-op: No symptoms; PSA 5.7; Gleason 4+5=9; cancer in 4 of 12 cores
7 March 2008, RRP, non nerve sparing
Two nights in hospital; catheter and staples out after 7 days
Continent, no pads needed from the get-go
Post Op: Stage pT2 M- N-; clear margins and lymph nodes; Gleason 4+4=8; prostate weight: 37gm
6-week PSA: 0 

Post Edited (Piano) : 6/4/2008 4:27:40 AM (GMT-6)


zandor
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   Posted 5/5/2008 12:12 PM (GMT -6)   
hi guys ..
is there any risk to cause priapism taking injections ?

thanks

James C.
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   Posted 5/5/2008 2:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, that is one of the risks associated wth them.  However, and a big however at that, the risk is in the early days, as you adjust your dose to work most effectively.  I have injected 27 times, and have had 2 so far.  The first time and the 5th time, both with Caverject, which is the strongest and fastest acting of the 3 kinds. 
 
 
James C. 
 
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Age 60 
4/19/07   PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/11/07   Biopsy- 16 core samples, size of gland around 76 cc. Staging pT2c
7/17/07   Path report:  3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe , GS 3/3:6. 
9/24/07   (Open) Retropubic Radical Prostatectomy performed 
9/26/07   Post-op Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Staging pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
10/15/07  ED- begin 50mg Viagra and Vacurect pump nightly, Fully continent
1/14/08  Caverject started/stopped, aching.  2/24/08 .5ml Bimix started-success
3/24/08   ED- 6 mts.-Viagra, pump, no response- Bimix continues
Post-surgery PSA's:  3 mt:0, 6 mt:0,


zandor
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   Posted 5/5/2008 3:44 PM (GMT -6)   
StrictlyInc said : are you currently seeing a physician about your situation?

Yes, they all prescribed me viagra / cialis.

JamesC, the last doctor asked me a new exam with injection to see the condition of my penis. but i was not sured about it, maybe fear of priapism.

Now i understand i need to keep blood flow to penis everyday, so i think pump would be a good option to me, plus viagra.

Have you guys heard about jelq exercise? they say is for penis enlargement, i was wondering if it could help in our case.

James C.
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   Posted 5/6/2008 8:46 AM (GMT -6)   

Here's what he is talking about:

Jelqing (also known as milking) is an exercise designed to force large amounts of blood through the penis, increasing the internal pressure and creating controlled damage or micro-tears in the structure of the penis. This damage will be mostly repaired overnight but overworking or not taking rest days will reduce efficacy. The effects can be to increase length or girth or a combination of the two.

The exercise consists of applying an OK style thumb and forefinger grip encircling the base of the lubricated partially erect penis, restricting blood flow, and pulling this grip forward toward the glans. Once one hand has reached the glans the same grip and motion is applied with the second hand. This process is repeated for a number of strokes in a continuous milking motion. Each stroke should take no less than three seconds.

It is important that jelqing is proceeded with and followed by a warm wrap, to relax the tissues and minimize chances of injury.

The part that concerns me is the controlled damage or micro-tears in the structure.  I  don't know about this part of it.  I'd really have to study a lot further to try this, I think.  Nope, I wouldn't study any further, I wouldn't do it.  We do a lot to our penis with pumps and injections, I wouldn't add this to the rigor that is being used on the poor guy.  lol  Also, it requires a partially erect penis, which most of us don't have naturally occuring now. 

James C.


Piano
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   Posted 5/6/2008 6:27 PM (GMT -6)   
James, I don't think the controlled damage and micro tears would be a problem -- it seems to be a similar process that enlarges other muscles through exercise. Don't ask me to quote a reference though!
 
Thanks for the link -- an interesting technique.  As you say, it's not much use to prostate survivors like me who, ....
 
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Age 63. Other than cancer, in good health; BMI 20
Pre-op: No symptoms; PSA 5.7; Gleason 4+5=9; cancer in 4 of 12 cores
7 March 2008, RRP, non nerve sparing
Two nights in hospital; catheter and staples out after 7 days
Continent, no pads needed from the get-go
Post Op: Stage pT2 M- N-; clear margins and lymph nodes; Gleason 4+4=8; prostate weight: 37gm
6-week PSA: 0 

Post Edited (Piano) : 6/4/2008 4:30:22 AM (GMT-6)


zandor
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   Posted 5/6/2008 6:37 PM (GMT -6)   
thanks James C., its an interesting website ;)
i'm going to buy a pump next week and start my daily penis treatment.
now everything is clear in my mind.

thanks all

Piano, i've heard about jelquing some years ago, but honestly i didnt understand how to deal
with these exercises.

Paul1959
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   Posted 5/6/2008 7:46 PM (GMT -6)   
Unfortunately, there are no muscles in a penis as there are in other parts of the body. Jelqing is generally considered a fraud and can do damage. The whole Sudanese story has the ring of urban legend about it anyway. BUT having said that, by all means, any way to increase blood capacity in the penis will only help. But as far as micro-tears, etc, it is not the same muscle tissue and will not repair in the same way. Will it increase size? probably, but what quality of size and at what expense, what risks and is it worth it? The Cavernosa are not muscles...more like sponges. Pumping is sessentially the same thing and is safer.
47 at Diagnosis.
Father died of Pca 4/07 at 86.
1/06 PSA 3.15
1/07 PSA 4.6      (Biopsy 3/07 just suspicious)
10/07 PSA 5.06   (Biopsy 11/07  1 of 12 with 8% involvment) (1mm)
Da Vinci surgery Jan 5, '08 at Mt. Sinai Hosp. NYC  www.roboticoncology.com
Saved both nerve bundles.
Path Report:  Stage T2cNxMx
-Gleason (3+3)6
-totally contained to prostate,
-10% involvement in L & R Mid lobes
PSA 0 at six weeks
Pad free on March 14 - (10 weeks.)
ED - Take 100mg viagra every night.
Totally usable erections at 10 weeks.
 
 


zandor
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   Posted 5/28/2008 6:53 PM (GMT -6)   
i started to use the VED
and honestly i didnt like it.
it doesnt seem to work as i imagined :(
my penis can't get full erection with this device.
is my spongie tissue in bad conditions?

thanks

BillyMac
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   Posted 5/28/2008 7:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Zandor,
It does take a while to learn to use the device to iits best effect and your comfort. if you have only tried it a couple of times then persevere a little longer. The are little tricks you learn as you go (such as which is the best ring and ease applying and removing the rings) It does take a little practice.
Bill
1/05 PSA----2.9 3/06-----3.2 3/07-------4.1 5/07------3.9 All negative DREs
Aged 59 when diagnosed
Biopsy 6/07----4 of 10 cores positive for Adenocarcinoma-------bummer!
Core 1 <5%, core 2----50%, core 3----60%, core 4----50%
Biopsy Pathologist's comment:
Gleason 4+3=7 (80% grade 4) Stage T2c
Neither extracapsular nor perineural invasion is identified
CT scan and Bone scan show no evidence of metastases
Da Vinci RP Aug 10th 2007
Post-op pathology:
Positive for perineural invasion and 1 small focal extension
Negative at surgical margins, negative node and negative vesicle involvement
Some 4+4=8 identified ........upgraded to Gleason 8
PSA Oct 07 <0.1 undetectable
PSA Jan 08 <0.1 undetectable
PSA April 08 <0.1 undetectable


zandor
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   Posted 6/3/2008 8:32 PM (GMT -6)   
hi guys

today i went to a boston medical group office,
they made an exam in my penis , an injection.
and honestly i didnt like it. the erection was not full absolutely.
doctor didnt pay much attention on my case (the pudendal problem).
i told him i dont have normal erections during the night but he didnt believe me. so sad.
he prescribed me to take their injections (miracle formula as they said , but i saw Papaverine in formula) for 6 months (3 times week) 10 minutes before sex.
but i didnt decided yet if i will choose for this treatment.


PS: plz see this
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/144/RipOff0144699.htm
i really felt like this guy described. :(

Post Edited (zandor) : 6/3/2008 7:37:40 PM (GMT-6)


Lungman
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   Posted 6/3/2008 9:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Zandor, the injections work great for me, getting over the neeedle is quick, and the injections are much more effective in the home environment than in the MD office. I am glad I started them, works well and I feel that it is helping me recover quicker, and if nothing else it promotes increased blood flow into the penis, which is important to recovery. JMHO.

Randy
46 you when diagnosed, now 47
Pre-Op PSA 9.9
1 of 12 cores positive, Gleason 3+3
DaVinci on 9/5/2007
Post-Op Gleason 3+6, Negative Nodes and Margins
Less than 1% of prostate involved with CA
3 Month PSA 0.01, 6 Month PSA 0.01
Incontinence resolved 9/15/2007, one day after cath removal
ED showing significant improvement.
Cialis 5 mg every night.
Success with BiMix


James C.
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   Posted 6/4/2008 7:17 AM (GMT -6)   
zandor, if possible, please get the name (Caverject, Bimix, Trimix or other name) , the contents (chemical names) and strength of each that is in this formula (miracle cure) and post it here.  I hope the doc is speaking in general terms as it being a miracle cure, and that it is the standard 3 or 4 formulas used by the majority here.  If he is calling it a secret miracle cure, that he has to compound and provide, especially at a high cost, then I'd have to say 'beware" to you.  We spend around $67 mail order for Bimix 1ml, $92 for Trimix 5ml, and around $42 a syringe for Caverject Impulse.  There's nothing 'miracle' about what we use and it is readily available, with a prescription. 
 
I think injections will provide the greatest benefit, but it is a long process of trial and error, with a high percentage of error at the beginning to find a plan that works for you.   
James C.
Moderator- Prostate Cancer

Age 60
4/19/07 PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/11/07 Biopsy- 16 core samples, size of gland around 76 cc. Staging pT2c
7/17/07 Path report: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe , GS 3/3:6.
9/24/07 (open) Retropubic Radical Prostatectomy performed
9/26/07 Post-op Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Staging pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
10/15/07 ED- begin 50mg Viagra and Vacurect pump nightly, Fully continent
1/14/08 Caverject started/stopped, aching. 2/24/08 .5ml Bimix started-success
5/7/08 ED- Viagra, pump, no response- Trimix .075ml continues
Post Surgery PSA's:  3 mts-0, 6 mts.-0


StrictlyInc
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Date Joined Dec 2006
Total Posts : 357
   Posted 6/4/2008 5:17 PM (GMT -6)   
I have to say, I have never gotten a good impression of the Boston Medical Group. Their commercials don't sound incredibly professional. In moments of desperation, I have called them to see if they could provide any kind of assistance with my ED that would be different from what my urologist offers, and, if they even have urologists on staff. The phone conversations I had with them never gave me much confidence, and I am glad I never went to see them.
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Prostate cancer diagnosed: May 15, 2006 (age 40)
Gleason score: pre-surgery 3+3=6; post-surgery 3+4=7
daVinci radical prostatectomy: July 25, 2006
size of tumor: approx 1.1 inches; negative margins from surgery

- number of pads/day at 3 months after surgery: 3 to 5
- number of pads/day at 4 months after surgery: 1 to 2
- number of pads/day at 6-18 months after surgery: 0 to 1

- 1st post-surgery PSA: 0 (Nov 2006); 2nd post-surgery PSA: 0 (Feb 2007)
- 3rd post-surgery PSA: 0 (May 2007); 4th post-surgery PSA: 0 (June 2007); 5th post-surgery PSA: 0

The search for timber: took Viagra/Cialis approx. every other day, ErecAid once a day, injections. Peyronie's diagnosed 7/5/07. Now on daily Cialis, L-arginine and pentoxyfylline. Peyronies has stabilized and significantly reversed.

- PGE1 batting average: .364 (4 for 11)
- Bimix #3 batting average: .722 (13 for 18) Bimix #1 batting average (11 for 11) = 1.000
- Trimix batting average: .500 (1 for 2) Grand total 29 for 42 = .690

"Lost in the valley without my horses, no one can tell me what my remorse is..."

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