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DanmanBob
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   Posted 5/13/2008 4:57 PM (GMT -6)   
When you inject, do you stand or sit?
 
Does one position seem to work better for erections than another?
Danman Bob, Born 1951
Nerve-sparing, open prostate surgery November 13, 2007
Gleason score 9, PSA 14; Biopsy result - 9 of 12 sticks showed cancer
Post-op pathology stated that cancer was confined to the prostate
Unrelated surgery January 2008 delayed incontinence recovery, which is now showing good signs of improvement (fraction of a pad a day as of late April 2008)
100 MG Viagra 3 times a week beginning December 2007
Osbon Erec-Aid Esteem manual pump for therapy beginning mid-February 2008
30 MG papaverine/1 MG phentolamine bimix injections beginning late April 2008
Five week post-op PSA 0.2, five month post-op PSA 0.1, next test August 2008


James C.
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   Posted 5/13/2008 5:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Sitting on the toilet.

Mark R.
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Date Joined May 2008
Total Posts : 11
   Posted 5/13/2008 6:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Danman,
 
Standing or sitting - makes no difference for me. The only thing is that I can't just pull me penis out from my underwear - I wear jockies - and do it because I feel I can't stretch the penis enough. The other thing I do, and have done for 20 years, is to hold the base of my penis - per Dr. instructions - for about 20-30 seconds after the injection.
 
Just what I do.
 
Mark
"In theory, theory and practice are the same, in practice they're not"
 
Joined Club PCa 4/17/08 with an open radical retropubic prostatectomy
PSA 2.8>3.4 in 6 months
3/12 positive biopsy cores, T1a
Gleason 6 - pre/post op,
Margins, bone scan, x-ray negative.
Cat-scan showed kidney mass, removed 3/14 via radio frequency ablation
Catheter 18 days, dry immediately with some conscious effort
 
Living with Multiple Sclerosis for 20 years - now PCa and questionable renal mass - I'm an overachiever!
 
 
 


DanmanBob
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Date Joined Feb 2008
Total Posts : 467
   Posted 5/13/2008 8:40 PM (GMT -6)   

MarkR said:

"The only thing is that I can't just pull me penis out from my underwear - I wear jockies - and do it because I feel I can't stretch the penis enough."

Not trying to pry, but since you mentioned this situation, do you have a tried and true technique to get around this situation?  I know that JamesC uses his pump, biker90 self-stimulates....is there another useful approach?


Danman Bob, Born 1951
Nerve-sparing, open prostate surgery November 13, 2007
Gleason score 9, PSA 14; Biopsy result - 9 of 12 sticks showed cancer
Post-op pathology stated that cancer was confined to the prostate
Unrelated surgery January 2008 delayed incontinence recovery, which is now showing good signs of improvement (fraction of a pad a day as of late April 2008)
100 MG Viagra 3 times a week beginning December 2007
Osbon Erec-Aid Esteem manual pump for therapy beginning mid-February 2008
30 MG papaverine/1 MG phentolamine bimix injections beginning late April 2008
Five week post-op PSA 0.2, five month post-op PSA 0.1, next test August 2008


Piano
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Date Joined Apr 2008
Total Posts : 847
   Posted 5/13/2008 10:08 PM (GMT -6)   
My instructions were to sit on the edge of a bed or similar and "let it hang down naturally". This seems better from my perspective as it allows closer sighting to avoid jabbing veins. I can't say it gives great erections as I've been having failures recently sad
Age 63. Other than cancer, in good health; BMI 20
Pre-op: No symptoms; PSA 5.7; Gleason 4+5=9; cancer in 4 of 12 cores
7 March 2008, RRP, non nerve sparing
Two nights in hospital; catheter and staples out after 7 days
Continent, no pads needed from the get-go
Post Op: Stage pT2 M- N-; clear margins and lymph nodes; Gleason 4+4=8; prostate weight: 37gm
6-week PSA: 0
No erections (of course!)
Experimenting with VED and Bimix
 


Mark R.
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Date Joined May 2008
Total Posts : 11
   Posted 5/14/2008 7:30 AM (GMT -6)   

DanmanBob,

Ask away. I long ago lost any modesty when it comes to these issues. In fact, I found that by being open and sharing, in a humorous way in an appropriate situation, I learned alot about treatments, expectations, experts and that I was far from alone in dealing with whatever issue was at hand.

That said, can you clarify what you are asking me? I'm not sure if you mean sitting/standing, compressing the penis base, or if it is possible to minimize failures.

Mark

 


"In theory, theory and practice are the same, in practice they're not"
 
Joined Club PCa 4/17/08 with an open radical retropubic prostatectomy
PSA 2.8>3.4 in 6 months
3/12 positive biopsy cores, T1a
Gleason 6 - pre/post op,
Margins, bone scan, x-ray negative.
Cat-scan showed kidney mass, removed 3/14 via radio frequency ablation
Catheter 18 days, dry immediately with some conscious effort
 
Living with Multiple Sclerosis for 20 years - now PCa and questionable renal mass - I'm an overachiever!
 
 
 


James C.
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Date Joined Aug 2007
Total Posts : 4462
   Posted 5/14/2008 8:19 AM (GMT -6)   

I sit forward on the toilet and dangle...

Here's what I have found from trial and error. 

When using a 1/2 inch needle with Bimix or Trimix:

   I stand and use the pump to expand the tissues, pumping up a couple times and letting the blood flow back out.  This gives me a 'fluffier' or at least plumper penis.  I already have the syringe and the alcohol pad ready.  Sitting forward on the toilet, letting myself dangle, I grasp the glans, press the penis against my thigh, swab the side of the penis, allow a few seconds for the alcohol to dry, then inject somewhere between 1 inch from the body to 1 inch behind the glans at the 3 or 9 o'clock position.  That doesn't leave a lot of area left.... eyes tongue After injecting, I switch my grip to the base of the penis and grip the penis to prevent any drug from running out into the body.  I also gently massage the cavity portion of the penis, spreading the drug out into the cavities as much as possible.  I do this for a minute or so, and keep the penis pinched down for a couple minutes before releasing.  I allow a couple minutes for the drug to adsorb, then gently stroke the glans to stimulate the penis.  This results in rapid enlargement, usually within 5 minutes.  I wait for a full 30 minutes at least before attempting use.  If use isn't right away, or is delayed by foreplay, when the hands aren't available for some continued stimulation, then the erection will usually subside a little.  Some more stimulation will bring it right back to attention when it is needed.  My drug induced erections usually last between 2 and 3 hours, and can be revived several times, if desired while it is slowly subsiding. 

When using a 5/16 inch needle with Bimix or Trimix: 

I do not pump up, but use the milking hand motion from the base to get a little blood into the penis, the rest of the process above is the same.  A shorter needle needs less penis thickness to get to the center of the cavity is why the difference.  If I don't pump when using the 1/2 inch needle, I tend to go all the way thru the cavitiy and inject in the center dividing tissue between the right and left cavities.  When in there, the plunger will not go down.  The material is so resistant, you have to pull back the needle to get back into the cavity to finish the injection. 

I just counted up and divided and found my success rate for injections is 71.5%.  Even with experimentation with  different dose levels and considering a 50% or more erection as a success, there's still a close to 25% failure rate.  What affects that is something I haven't figured out.  I try my best to repeat my successful steps each time, so go figure.  Anyway, probably more than you wanted to know.... scool

James C.

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