Final path report back ! Has anyone ever heard this?

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soxfans4life
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   Posted 6/12/2008 4:52 PM (GMT -6)   
eyes  Well, 2 weeks and  we called our M.D. for the final info on Rod's pathology report. He said that they couldn't find any cancer and had sent it back for another review. He called later and told us that the second report showed only some precancerous lesions, the original gleason 6 core specimen was removed at biopsy and that was all they had found. My comedian husband said of the biopsy MD "He must have been a good fisherman". Of course we thank God for this but are so confused also. Surgery was the only decision, and recovery will take time and patience. I just wanted to know if anyone has heard of this happening? Annie

dx. 3-08  @ age 63. gleason 6 . 1 out of 12 cores positive. 4th biopsy in 8 years. previous 3 negative. followed closley due to family hx.grandfather, father and 2 uncles dx. with prostate cancer. dre negative, cat and bone scan negative. davinci scheduled for may 27, 2008. 2 daughters, retired hospital administration, air force family years ago.


Dirtmover
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   Posted 6/12/2008 6:29 PM (GMT -6)   
wow never heard of that, im not exactly sure how i would feel but if there were pre cancerous leasions  present i at the very least would feel good about getting the treatment, pca was already headed your way and you beat it early glad rod is doind well (he must be he has a sence of humor like mine) we wish you the very best annie ....................dirt

Diagnosed November 2007
PSA 3.9 / Gleason 6 / TC1 6 cores 1 shows 25%
Sugery scheduled 5/29/08 - City of Hope - Dr. Mark Kawachi
 
 and now for the new ive been waiting for
 FINAL PATH REPORT:gleason upgraded to 3+4 T2c bilateral disease,tumor involvment 5%
extra prostatic extention:absent
seminal vesical invasion :absent
pathological staging:pTNM pT2 ORGAN CONFINED
margins free of carcinoma
usable erections ;6-6-08 with little blue pill
continence; 1 pad a day, dry at night


ChrisR
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   Posted 6/12/2008 6:41 PM (GMT -6)   

Yes, I have heard of it.  It is called "vanishing cancer."  They see it on the slides from the biopsy, but the can't find it in the speciman.  It happens rarely with cancers.  I have heard of it in prostate and colon cancer.  I spoke to a doctor about this and his opinion is they removed the cancer with the biopsy.  Now be happy that you still had the surgery, because if they found it once it probably would occur again later in another part of your prostate.  This is great news.  You got your cancer as early as anyone ever could.

Since regular prostate cells don't escape the prostate I would think you could never have prostate cancer.  In other words I'm no MD, but I would think that recurrence would not be possible.  I think you are 100% cured.  No questions...

Google "vanishing cancer"  a few studies exist.  The one I read said after 28.5 years there were no recurrences of cancer in any of the 38 patients.....

Post Edited (ChrisR) : 6/12/2008 7:06:14 PM (GMT-6)


Tim G
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   Posted 6/12/2008 8:49 PM (GMT -6)   
This must be one of those rare instances where the cancer only shows up in the biopsy. My cancer was pretty small, and thankfully localized in one spot , but it was found in the prostate post-prostatectomy. The Gleason score dropped a notch, from 6 to 5. My urologist said that the usual situation is to find cancer in multiple places. Like Chris said, I'd say your husband's cured!
Age 59  PSA quadrupled in 1 yr (0.6 to 2.5) 
DRE neg  1 of 12 biopsies pos (< 5%) 
Open surgery June 2006 
Organ confined pT2a  Gleason 5 (3+2)  PSA's < 0.1  


IdahoSurvivor
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   Posted 6/12/2008 10:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey Annie,
 
That's just incredible!  Seems like very good news to me.  What a blessing!
 
I'm curious, what are the next steps for Rod?  Are they going through the "normal" routine of checking PSA every three months the first year, then on 6 month intervals?

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1st PSA  09/11/2007  <0.04 (undetectable)

2nd PSA 12/10/2007  <0.04

3rd PSA  03/17/2008  <0.04

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Tony Crispino
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   Posted 6/12/2008 10:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Wow,
No. I have not heard of this. But it kinda infuriates me. I mean to say I am so very happy that your husband didn't have cancer. But what the....Is your surgeon the same doctor who did the dx? The reason I ask is that I had my slides sent for a second, then a third before the knife touched me. When only one core shows up for my future advice, from now on I'm an advocate to tell someone to have an independant 2nd opinion and likely watch and wait.

This unfortunate event (that makes me happy) makes your participation in this forum extremely valuable. And it may make a great malpractice law suit. No wonder they waited an unusual 2 weeks before contacting you.  The legal department had to review the pathology.  I'm not one to sue people. I choose to forgive than receive contrition in monetary forms. But, I am blown away by this. Clearly a pathologist, probably two of them, fell asleep at the wheel. Now I wish you a very good unecessary recovery. Wow...Wow...

When one core comes back positive I think, NOW, you have to be very careful. This surgery is very life affecting. It makes the early detection and cure process more difficult but being sure, really sure is important. I wil lmake this discussion a part of my advocacy forever!

Tony


Age 45 (44 when Dx)
Pre-op PSA was 19.8
Surgery on Feb 16, 2007 @ The City of Hope
Post-Op Pathology: Gleason 4+3=7, positive margins, Stage pT3b (Stage III)
HT began in May, '07 with Lupron and Casodex 50mg
IMRT radiation for 38 Treatments ending August 3, '07
Current PSA (May 9 '08): <0.1
I will continue HT until May '09. 
Years in Remission (3/23/07): 1
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Post Edited (TC-LasVegas) : 6/12/2008 10:55:24 PM (GMT-6)


Tim G
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   Posted 6/12/2008 11:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Tony--I was one of those who had only one positive core, <5%.  My biopsy slides were sent for a second opinion (my urologist always does this) to Johns Hopkins University, to be read by Jonathan Epstein, one of the world's leading experts on prostate cancer pathology.  He concurred with the first reading.

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 6/12/2008 11:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Tim,
You did good. And I would excuse errors from Epstien. He provided my third opinion. but I will have to settle down. This post disturbed me. Tim your pathologists were correct, however. This is something, you just have to be sure about before the first incision.

I mean Soxfan, I am very happy that you guys were not really one of us, but now through carelessness you are one of us. I forgive the folks erred. But I also feel very bad for you. I would hate to think someone would forego surgery after this. I guess I can also point out that a radiation gun can be mis-aimed, or a HT dose misread. But wow!

Tony


Age 45 (44 when Dx)
Pre-op PSA was 19.8
Surgery on Feb 16, 2007 @ The City of Hope
Post-Op Pathology: Gleason 4+3=7, positive margins, Stage pT3b (Stage III)
HT began in May, '07 with Lupron and Casodex 50mg
IMRT radiation for 38 Treatments ending August 3, '07
Current PSA (May 9 '08): <0.1
I will continue HT until May '09. 
Years in Remission (3/23/07): 1
Visit my Journey at:
And at:
 
STAY POSITIVE!
 
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Post Edited (TC-LasVegas) : 6/13/2008 6:43:46 AM (GMT-6)


Quincy3
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   Posted 6/13/2008 4:08 AM (GMT -6)   
This is the same with me, one core at less than 5%. I, too, sometimes wonder
Diagnosis 7/07
open radical 12/07
PSA pre-op 1.4 gleason 3+3 clean margins
First psa post-op 3/08 0.006
Second psa post-op 6/08 >0.01


aus
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   Posted 6/13/2008 4:58 AM (GMT -6)   
I do not find this incredible at all, and it's more common that we think.
 
What I do find surprising is the number of people who have a biopsy diagnosis with small % of gleason 6 in one sample and rush into surgery, without even a 2nd reading of their slides.
 
The approach of "take it out asap" is usually advocated here and elsewhere, without thinking it through.
 
Johns Hopkins published an article some time ago, in their winter 2003 newsleter on "Insignificant" cancer. www.urology.jhu.edu/newsletter
 
I often refer people to this article, but usually find they don't take any of notice about  advice to seek further opinions, not rush into agressive treatment, or  any mention of "insignificant" cancer.
 
 
 

ChrisR
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   Posted 6/13/2008 6:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Guys,  I had a consult with Dr. Partin this week at Johns Hopkins.  I have 4 cores out of 56 with what Epstien calls "small focus".  Partin to me this means I have "one cell" of cancer in each spot.  If I had 12 cores taken I probably would have only had one core positive.  Maybe not.  However, base on percentages 1 of 12 is 8%.  4 of 56 is 7%.  So I technically have "insignifigant cancer."  Partin said he thinks it is so early I could wait 5 years to treat.  No way am I doing that.  I want it gone now.  Nobody knows what this cancer is going to do.  If the cancer is as small as he says, secretly I am hoping it is gone with the biopsy.  I doubt it...  Also, even post-op they can't sample the entire gland.  They don't slice 1,000,000 times and look at each slice.  I will be glad it is gone even if they don't find cancer post-op...

Tim G
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   Posted 6/13/2008 7:05 AM (GMT -6)   
ChrisR said...
Guys,  I had a consult with Dr. Partin this week at Johns Hopkins.  I have 4 cores out of 56 with what Epstien calls "small focus".  Partin to me this means I have "one cell" of cancer in each spot.  If I had 12 cores taken I probably would have only had one core positive.  Maybe not.  However, base on percentages 1 of 12 is 8%.  4 of 56 is 7%.  So I technically have "insignifigant cancer."  Partin said he thinks it is so early I could wait 5 years to treat.  No way am I doing that.  I want it gone now.  Nobody knows what this cancer is going to do.  If the cancer is as small as he says, secretly I am hoping it is gone with the biopsy.  I doubt it...  Also, even post-op they can't sample the entire gland.  They don't slice 1,000,000 times and look at each slice.  I will be glad it is gone even if they don't find cancer post-op...
My urologist made similar comments to Dr Partin's.  What concerned me was the PSA velocity and I opted not to wait, so 3 months after the biopsy results were confirmed had the surgery. Could I have waited?  Probably, but I didn't want to mess around with what could be an aggressive cancer that would spread outside the prostate.


Age 59  PSA quadrupled in 1 yr (0.6 to 2.5) 
DRE neg  1 of 12 biopsies pos (< 5%) 
Open surgery June 2006 
Organ confined pT2a  Gleason 5 (3+2)  PSA's < 0.1  


Tony Crispino
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   Posted 6/13/2008 8:30 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Quincy,
I am very sorry to mislead. Your post-op was positive and you did the right thing taking action. I mean to say, ALL positive findings from a biopsy should be rechecked by a second party. And I don't mean re-biopsy, I mean the slides re-checked by another pathology group. Your final pathology was confirmation that you did the right thing.

Selmer, PIN is no longer significant. It used to be used to confirm the need to take nerve bundles, but has since been classified as little importance.

aus, I've seen that report before and that debate is still to be determined for some small G6 and most <=G5 cancers in older men. But again they refer to confirmed cancers. Problem with that report is that it relies on hindsight. If a person has a 3+3 in a single core at clinical, many times it's upgraded to a 3+4 or higher post-op. IMHO then waiting is dangerous.

Chris, I appreciate your spirit. I agree with your approach and feel I have misled you guys. But pre-cancerous is different than cancerous. Before anyone takes a knife to you, have that second is what I'm saying.

I guess I should ease up on this by saying, no one has made a mistake here except the pathologist who states that cancer exists when it did not, and a patient having to go through what we go through when it is likely they did not have to. If a second opinion could be useful, this was the case. But once it is confirmed by a second pathology group, "take is out asap" is still a good decision whether by surgery or other means.
Tony
Age 45 (44 when Dx)
Pre-op PSA was 19.8
Surgery on Feb 16, 2007 @ The City of Hope
Post-Op Pathology: Gleason 4+3=7, positive margins, Stage pT3b (Stage III)
HT began in May, '07 with Lupron and Casodex 50mg
IMRT radiation for 38 Treatments ending August 3, '07
Current PSA (May 9 '08): <0.1
I will continue HT until May '09. 
Years in Remission (3/23/07): 1
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lawink
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   Posted 6/13/2008 8:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Sox
Well, this looks so good for you both. Our opinion would be that even if ONE sample showed cancer, you did the best thing (based on your family history listed in your signature) . . . the pre cancerous lesions would likely have developed over time (again based on the history) and this way you know for sure it's all gone. That kind of security can't be beaten.
;o) Linda & Bob
Bob (62) - Laproscopic Prostate Removal Sept 27, 2006 at age 60.
2 of 12 malignant biopsy samples - gleason 3 + 3 = 6.
Pathology - Gleeson 3 + 4; stage T2; cancer completely contained, even a second more aggressive, previously undetected cancer) PSA UNDETECTABLE Nov 2006; Feb, May, Oct 2007; May 2008.  WHOOO HOOOO! 
Bob also has two secondary conditions -- Polycythemia (elevated red & white cells & platelets) and . . Myelofibrosis) -- If anyone has experience with or information on these, please email us.


Frank1205
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   Posted 6/13/2008 9:51 AM (GMT -6)   

Hi Sox,

I am very happy to hear you news,  you most likley will never suffer from Prostate Cancer. Yours and our prayers certainly may have been heard.

I am concerned that this may effect others who have insignificant sounding biopsies.  I for one was very close to watchful waiting. Here is my example.

Diagnosis

3+3 = Gleason 6, 1 of 10 needles at only 1%, 1 lobe involved., T1C

Post Surgical

3+4 = Gleason 7, 10% involvement in both lobes, encapsulated, bad margin, T2C

Your case is the exception to the rule it seems.  I am so happy for you but it is unlikely that we will see this again on this site.  I hope you have a special celebration planned.

All the best,

Frank

 


Diagnosed 01-08-08 @ 53 years old 
DRE normal - High PSA for 5 or more years
2004 Biospy negative - 2008 Biopsy positive (01-08-08)
10 cores, 1 positive and at 1% of that one core
Current PSA 6 - Bone and Ct scans negative
clinicalg Staged at T1C - Gleason 3+3 = 6
Robotic Da Vinci performed March 27th, 2008
University of Chicago,5 hour surgery , 3 hour recovery
Unexpected Cardiac issues appear and disappear?
Hospital stay 30 hours - Catheter out in 7 days  normaly expected leakage - Erectile funtion back on line 9 days 
Post Pathology T2C, Gleason 7, 10 % of both portions of prostate, Seminal vessels clear, fat tissue clear,Tumor on top of prostate distal from apex. 1 positve margin at urethra and bladder.
Six week PSA < 0.05 Ya Ba Da Ba Dooooooooooo.  Put a steak on the grill Wilma!!!!
Oncologist to discuss case with Urologist and Radiation Oncologist to consider radiation.
 


Doting Daughter
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   Posted 6/13/2008 10:01 AM (GMT -6)   
You don't have cancer! That is fabulous! I have never heard of a situation similar to yours and am quite surprised! Regardless, you got an incredible outcome! What was your PSA?

Tony-Did you see his family history? Even if one core was positive, with his family history I think it would have been better to play it safe. Bad on the pathologist if they messed up, but with such a strong family history of PCa, getter done is what I think :)
Father's Age 62 (now 63)
Original Gleason 3+4=7, Post-Op Gleason- 4+3=7,
DaVinci Surgery Aug 31, 2007
Focally Positive Right Margin, One positive node. T3a N1 M0.
Bone Scan/CT Negative (Sept. 10, 2007)
Oct. 17 PSA 0.07
Nov. 13 PSA 0.05
Casodex adm. Nov 07, Lupron beg. Dec 03, 2007 2 yrs
Radiation March 03-April 22, 2008- 8 weeks 5x a week
Praying for a cured dad. First PSA 3 months!


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Tony Crispino
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   Posted 6/13/2008 10:18 AM (GMT -6)   
I do understand the procedure may still have been a benefit for someone like Rod. That's a good thing, too. I think I'm reacting a bit. I am very happy for Rod that he does not have to worry about this anymore. I don't want to be misunderstood. This time, the mistake happened on a high risk patient. Imagine if it happened on someone with no risk factors...

Tony
Age 45 (44 when Dx)
Pre-op PSA was 19.8
Surgery on Feb 16, 2007 @ The City of Hope
Post-Op Pathology: Gleason 4+3=7, positive margins, Stage pT3b (Stage III)
HT began in May, '07 with Lupron and Casodex 50mg
IMRT radiation for 38 Treatments ending August 3, '07
Current PSA (May 9 '08): <0.1
I will continue HT until May '09. 
Years in Remission (3/23/07): 1
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ChrisR
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   Posted 6/13/2008 12:39 PM (GMT -6)   
I know I am dreaming about mine being "insignifigant."  I think once it is out things will change for the worse.  Even with 52 pokes they still can't predict this cancer with any accuracy.

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 6/13/2008 1:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Chris,
No they can't. And you are very right. This disease is an awful experience, and I certainly Hope we all do well. Given Rods family history he's going to have a lot less to worry about now. Certainly my intentions are in the right place by suggesting we ALL should get second opinions on our biopsy slides. And don't worry about the bad things and count on the good things. I know you will do well. My mantra is Stay Positive!

Tony
Age 45 (44 when Dx)
Pre-op PSA was 19.8
Surgery on Feb 16, 2007 @ The City of Hope
Post-Op Pathology: Gleason 4+3=7, positive margins, Stage pT3b (Stage III)
HT began in May, '07 with Lupron and Casodex 50mg
IMRT radiation for 38 Treatments ending August 3, '07
Current PSA (May 9 '08): <0.1
I will continue HT until May '09. 
Years in Remission (3/23/07): 1
Visit my Journey at:
And at:
 
STAY POSITIVE!
 
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ChrisR
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   Posted 6/13/2008 1:08 PM (GMT -6)   
TC,
 
Thanks.  I just don't understand why Dr. are so positive before the surgery, when they know things can get much worse afterwards.  If you had heard Dr. Partin he was acting like I was getting my tonsils out.  "You caught it early, your cancer is as small as it gets, you will see your grand kids born."  He knew I have a 2 and 7 year old.  Even asked if I wanted to have more kids.  How can they be so positive when they know that biopsies aren't even close sometimes?  I left his office thinking I would have no trouble with this ever again, until reality set in after re-reading what goes on here to people.
 
Yes, this sucks for everyone.  This cancer is completely un-predictable no matter how you present.
 
 

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   Posted 6/13/2008 1:50 PM (GMT -6)   
I am 42 years old...
 
 
Psa 2.4  11/03
Psa 2.57 8/06
Psa 2.75 7/07
PSa 2.75 2/3
 
4 out of 52 or 56 cores depending on who you ask.
All cores "small focus" or 2% to 5% from original pathologist.
Gleason 6 from Epstien and local pathologist.
 
I had my slides read at Ohio State University and they said they were in conclusive.  They had to send them to Johns Hopkins.
 
I was told from Dr. Partin that Gleason 6 was a default score and they don't go any lower then that.
 
Dr. Partin said "small focus" meant there was one cell in each slide.
 
I don't know how they can see or find one cell and how they can then grade it.
 
Anyway, none of this means anything because nobody can predict this cancer with any degree of accuracy.....I am just pissing in the wind with all of this.  I will get it removed and hold my breath every day for as long as I have left until recurrence happens....
 
 
 

Post Edited (ChrisR) : 6/13/2008 2:00:39 PM (GMT-6)


Tony Crispino
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   Posted 6/13/2008 1:56 PM (GMT -6)   

Ouch!
Hang in there Chris.  If you can, add a signature with you info.  it will help us all better understand from where you are coming. 

Here's the signature link:
http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=1067963

Tony

ChrisR
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   Posted 6/13/2008 2:35 PM (GMT -6)   
I am 42 years old...
 
 
Psa 2.4  11/03
Psa 2.57 8/06
Psa 2.75 7/07
PSa 2.75 2/08 same as 7 months before
 
4 out of 52 or 56 cores depending on who you ask.
All cores "small focus" or 2% to 5% from original pathologist.
Gleason 6 from Epstien and local pathologist.
 
I had my slides read at Ohio State University and they said they were in conclusive.  They had to send them to Johns Hopkins.
 
I was told from Dr. Partin that Gleason 6 was a default score and they don't go any lower then that.
 
Dr. Partin said "small focus" meant there was one cell in each slide.
 
I don't know how they can see or find one cell and how they can then grade it.
 
Anyway, none of this means anything because nobody can predict this cancer with any degree of accuracy.....I am just pissing in the wind with all of this.  I will get it removed and hold my breath every day for as long as I have left until recurrence happens....
 
 
 

Post Edited (ChrisR) : 6/14/2008 7:16:12 PM (GMT-6)


Frank1205
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   Posted 6/13/2008 5:03 PM (GMT -6)   

Hang with us Chris.  Keep talking it out.  We are all with you on this.

Frank

 


Diagnosed 01-08-08 @ 53 years old 
DRE normal - High PSA for 5 or more years
2004 Biospy negative - 2008 Biopsy positive (01-08-08)
10 cores, 1 positive and at 1% of that one core
Current PSA 6 - Bone and Ct scans negative
clinicalg Staged at T1C - Gleason 3+3 = 6
Robotic Da Vinci performed March 27th, 2008
University of Chicago,5 hour surgery , 3 hour recovery
Unexpected Cardiac issues appear and disappear?
Hospital stay 30 hours - Catheter out in 7 days  normaly expected leakage - Erectile funtion back on line 9 days 
Post Pathology T2C, Gleason 7, 10 % of both portions of prostate, Seminal vessels clear, fat tissue clear,Tumor on top of prostate distal from apex. 1 positve margin at urethra and bladder.
Six week PSA < 0.05 Ya Ba Da Ba Dooooooooooo.  Put a steak on the grill Wilma!!!!
Oncologist to discuss case with Urologist and Radiation Oncologist to consider radiation.
 


ChrisR
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   Posted 6/13/2008 7:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Selmer,
 
I did have a biopsy because my PSA was high for my age.  My gland size is 36.2cc I was told. 
 
Thanks for everyones support.  I know there are a lot of people here who would trade places with me and I feel for everyone.  I just seem to be having a hard time lately with this.  I am 42 and like many other we hopefully have a lot of years left to deal with this.  Not to mention none of us want to put our family through this either.
 
I just feel from reading everyones journey on the site that no matter how "well off" you are the tables can always turn on you.
 
I guess I am still scared and feel I will be the rest of my life no matter what any Dr. tells me.
 
Thanks again all.
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