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cave88
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Date Joined Jul 2008
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   Posted 11/16/2008 9:39 AM (GMT -6)   
As I previously reported in another thread my first post-op psa was 0.11.  I did confirm that this was the result.  Billymac reiterated what the Dr said that the 0.11 could be from residual tissue left behind.  The most important thing to watch will be what the psa is in subsequent tests.  The Dr's nurse has also stated the importance of using the same lab for future tests.  Going forward, I need to lose some weight.  I quit smoking 4 years ago and gained 30 lbs.  I would like to get back to my "healthy" smoking weight.  I would like to start using our exercise bike on a regular basis and also improve my diet.  I do not want to do anything to mask my psa test results.  I read that Selmer talked about using Ibuprofin but cautioned that it could be a mask for the true psa result.  Could certain exercises and diet have the same results as the ibuprofin?  Could using the exercise bike cause a problem with the psa?  I have also heard there are benefits to drinking pomegranite juice.  Could the pomegranite juice or other foods/juices result in a mis-leading psa?  What are others experiences with diet and exercise influencing future psa tests?
age:  44
1st psa Apr 08 3.06
2nd psa 6/16/8 4.02,  DRE showed nothing abnormal
biopsy 7/10/08 positive 5 of 12
Da Vinci 8/04/8 Parkview Memorial in FT Wayne IN 
gleason 3 + 3 = 6
prostate 27 g, 4 x 4 x 3.1 cm
Stage:  pT2cNXMX
margins:  apical margin involved
no extraprostatic extension of tumor
seminal vesicle involvement: absent
1st post-op psa  0.11
 
 


livinadream
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Date Joined Apr 2008
Total Posts : 1382
   Posted 11/16/2008 10:06 AM (GMT -6)   
good morning Ice and thanks for writing. When I decided to go to The Cancer Treatment Center of America after my surgery and radiation one of the things they strongly advocated was proper diet, exercise and vitamins. This is not to cure the cancer and I want to make sure that is understood, what it does do is strengthen our minds, and our body to better be able to fight off the cancer. To fight any cancer we have to be strong physically, emotionally, and spiritually. This is called a holistic approach. For me it is wonderul. I swim 5 times per week, ride my bike, lift weights, take my vitamins that the hospital prescribed, not something I want out and found on my own.
I will gladly share more about this in an email.
Again thanks for writing.

peace grace and love
Dale
My PSA at diagnosis was 16.3
age 46 (current)
My gleason score from prostate was 4+5=9 and from the lymph nodes was 4+4=8
I had 44 IMRT's
Casodex
Currently on Lupron
I go to The Cancer Treatment Center of America
Married with two kids
latest PSA 5-27-08 0.11
PSA July 24th, 2008 is 0.04
cancer in 4 of 6 cores
92%
80%
37%
28%
 


don826
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Date Joined May 2008
Total Posts : 1010
   Posted 11/16/2008 10:45 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Indiana Ice,

There have been a number of studies that investigated the impact of diet on PCa. If you google "prostate diet" you will get several good results. The WebMD site is a good one for advice as well. I have just ordered a copy of the book on diet by Dr Myers. I understand it is full of useful advice on diet and PCa. There was an article a few months back that indicated pomegranite juice consumption was useful in the treatment of PCa. The impact of the juice was on the ability of the cancer to reproduce. (apoptosis is the tech term). One eight ounce glass per day was the recommendation in the article I read. Stuff has an awful after taste so I blend it with orange juice. You can get it at Wal Mart.

Just as there are good things in terms of vitamins and supplements there are some to avoid. I think the Myers' book has some info on this.

I too am trying to lose a little excess weight brought on by my hormone treatment. One bit of advice. Don't over do it at the start. This is the quickest way to ruin good intentions to excercise. Set weekly goals and do your best to meet them. Keep track of your progress. It is a powerful motivator.

Good luck with your weight loss.
Don
Diagnosed 04/10/08
Age 58
PSA 21.5 (first and only test resulted from follow up visit to emergency room for kidney stone. first time for kidney stone too)
Gleason 4 + 3
DRE palpable tumor on left side
100% of 12 cores positive for PCa range 35% to 85%
Bone scan clear
Chest x ray clear
CT scan shows potential lymph node involvement in pelvic region
Started Casodex on May 2 and stopped on June 1, 2008
Lupron injection on May 15 and every four months for next two years
PSA test on July 14, 08 after 8 weeks hormone .82
Started IMRT/IGRT on July 10, 2008. 45 treatments scheduled
First 25 to be full pelvic for a total dose of 45 Gray to lymph nodes.
Last 20 to prostate only. Total dose to prostate 81 Gray.
Completed IMRT/IGRT 09/11/08.
Second Lupron shot 09/11/08
Next PSA test by oncologist 03/09
 
 


Steve n Dallas
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Date Joined Mar 2008
Total Posts : 4840
   Posted 11/16/2008 11:48 AM (GMT -6)   
If Ibuprofen did "anything" bad related to PC, I would have died a long time ago turn Between my chronic tennis elbow and knee that acts up, I can hardly leave the house with a little help from Ibuprofen.
Age 53   - 5'11"   205lbs
Overall Heath Condition - Good
PSA - July 2007 & Jan 2008 -> 1.3
Gleason - 6
(biopsy done March 4, 2008-> 2 of 12)
 
06/25/08 - Da Vinci robotic laparoscopy
10/03/08 - 1st Quarter PSA -> less then .01
 

Surgeon - Keith A. Waguespack, M.D.

Las Colinas and Plano Offices

 


DoingFine
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Date Joined Sep 2008
Total Posts : 46
   Posted 11/16/2008 11:58 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Indiana

You will note from my signature that I ride my bike quite a bit.

When I first learned of my elevated psa . . . of course I asked the uro if riding could affect it. I was told "no . . ," (although some had suspected a link) He further told me, because of these suspicions a study was done of riders on RAGBRI; ( long bike ride/tour across Iowa). Apparently there was no statistically significant change.

I also asked my uro/surgeon at the Mayo Clinic the same question . . . same answer.

So . . . get on your bike and ride!

Cheers
Age at dx: 51 Age now: 52
Great health: Riding bike 200+ miles weekly; no symptoms
First PSA: 4.7 March 2008 (bummer)
Second PSA: 4.95 June 2008
Biopsy June 2008
Positive 5 of 12 cores (real bummer) T1c
Gleason 3+3
Bone scan: 7 July negative
RRP surgery 3 Sept 2008 at the Mayo Clinic: Rochester, MN
All clear
Catheter out 22 Sept 8:30 AM, catheter back in at 11:30 (not happy)
Catheter out 30 Sept (this time for good!)
Total continence, no erectile difficulties from day one
(taking 10 mg Cialis daily)
Back on bike 15 Oct. (42 days . . . with doc's approval)
1st post op psa test scheduled for 2 Dec.


FLHW(David E)
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Date Joined Nov 2007
Total Posts : 201
   Posted 11/16/2008 4:29 PM (GMT -6)   
I was told to avoid exercise before a PSA test, I workout week days, take the weekend off and am tested on Mondays. A great book on diet and PCa was published about a year ago by Dr. Charles 'Snuffy' Meyers. Just go to Amazon and search "prostate snuffy diet", it's the first book list.

Basically most experts suggest: no dairy or very little no-fat dairy. Avoid red meat and fatty foods. Snuffy and others recommend a Mediterranean diet. A lot of fresh fruit and veggies, fish, olive oil etc.

I lost and have kept off 50lbs since being diagnosed (Feb 2005). Gave up all fast food, cheese, dairy, red meat etc.
I eat a lot of pasta, fish, veggies, fruit etc.

There are a few good PCa cook books available at the PCF website.
Dx'd 2/18/05
PSA 271, bone mets, lymph node involvement
Gleason Score: 7
Current (11-3-08)
PSA: 31.18
Taxotere + Prednisone + Atrasentan
[8th Treatment on November 3rd]
Clinical Trial:
http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00134056?term=prostate+AND+atrasentan&rank=2
Lupron
Personal Blog:
prostatecancerat42.blogspot.com


cave88
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Date Joined Jul 2008
Total Posts : 76
   Posted 11/16/2008 9:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Everyone, Thank you!! I appreciate the feedback. I am going to order the book by Dr. Myers and get back on the exercise bike.

Thanks again
age:  44
1st psa Apr 08 3.06
2nd psa 6/16/8 4.02,  DRE showed nothing abnormal
biopsy 7/10/08 positive 5 of 12
Da Vinci 8/04/8 Parkview Memorial in FT Wayne IN 
gleason 3 + 3 = 6
prostate 27 g, 4 x 4 x 3.1 cm
Stage:  pT2cNXMX
margins:  apical margin involved
no extraprostatic extension of tumor
seminal vesicle involvement: absent
1st post-op psa  0.11
 
 

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