My first "0" and no more cheeseburgers?

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DoingFine
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   Posted 12/3/2008 9:25 AM (GMT -6)   
Yesterday I got my first "0!" (undetectable)

On the other hand . . . my doc told me that there is a suspected link between unsaturated fats and the recurrence of prostate cancer.

That means fewer cheeseburgers. (bummer)
Age at dx: 51 Age now: 52
Great health: Riding bike 200+ miles weekly; no symptoms
First PSA: 4.7 March 2008 (bummer)
Second PSA: 4.97 June 2008
Biopsy June 2008
Positive 5 of 12 cores (real bummer) T1c
Gleason 3+3
Bone scan: 7 July negative
RRP surgery 3 Sept 2008 at the Mayo Clinic: Rochester, MN
All clear
Catheter out 22 Sept 8:30 AM, catheter back in at 11:30 (not happy)
Catheter out 30 Sept (this time for good!)
Total continence, no erectile difficulties from day one (Cialis 10mg daily)
Back on bike 15 Oct. (42 days . . . with doc's approval)
Dec. 2 2008 psa Undetectable!

Post Edited (DoingFine) : 12/3/2008 2:38:46 PM (GMT-7)


Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 12/3/2008 11:57 AM (GMT -6)   
Leave off the cheese and you'll be fine devil
Age 53   - 5'11"   205lbs
Overall Heath Condition - Good
PSA - July 2007 & Jan 2008 -> 1.3
Gleason - 6
(biopsy done March 4, 2008-> 2 of 12)
 
06/25/08 - Da Vinci robotic laparoscopy
10/03/08 - 1st Quarter PSA -> less then .01
 

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biker90
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   Posted 12/3/2008 12:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Nice going DoingFine!!! Welcome to the zero club and congrats on the excellent continence and ED recovery...

Jim
Age 74. Diagnosed 11/03/06. PSA 7.05. Stage T2C Gleason 3+3.
RRP 12/7/06. Nerves and nodes okay.
Catheter out on 12/13/06.  Dry on 12/14/06.
Pathological stage: T2C N0 MX. Gleason 3+4.
50 mg Viagra + 1000 mg L-Arginine + .03 cc Trimix = Excellent Results
PSAs from  1/3/07 - 7/17/08 0.00. 
Next PSA test on 1/28/09
Lung cancer dxed on 5/16/08.  Surgery on 6/25/08  T1N1M0 - Stage IIA  Finished 4 cycles of chemo on 11/7/08.
First CT scan on 12/2/08 - in remission!!!
"Patience is essential, attitude is everything."


LV-TX
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   Posted 12/3/2008 1:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Great news DoingFine...but I gotta admit...never heard that there was a link between the two...and I have done lots of reading. Do you know where your doctor got that information? Would love to read more on that.
Les
 
Age 58 at Diagnosis
Oct 2006 - PSA 2.6 - DRE Normal
May 2008 - PSA 4.6 - DRE Normal / TRUS normal-Gland 38 cc
July 2008 - Biopsy 4 of 12 Positive 5 - 30% Involved Bilateral (Perineural Invasion present at base)
Gleason (3+3) 6  Stage T1C
August 23 - Bone Scan - Hips, Spine and ribs marked uptake - X-Ray showed clear -Hooray
Sept 9 2nd DRE - questionable - TRUS...shadow in base - Gland now 41 cc
Robotic Surgery Sept 18, 2008
Pathology October 1,2008
Gleason 7 (4+3) Staged pT2c NO MX
Gland 50 cc
Seminal Vesicles and Lymph Nodes clear
Positive Margins Right Posterior Lobe
4 tumors in prostate - largest being 6 cm 
PSA Oct 08 <.05


don826
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   Posted 12/3/2008 3:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi DF and Les,

DF, sorry to hear about the diet restrictions but you have been given good advice. Les, there is a growing body of evidence that high fat diets are detrimental to those with PCa and heart disease. Recently the Ornish diet was shown to slow progression of PCa. I have searched for the article but no luck. However here is a link to another that addresses the same connection.

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/86/3/889S

I tried the Onish diet for cholesterol control some ten years ago. Lost weight like it was being taken off with a knife. Went from 175 to 155 in about five weeks. It is a tough diet to follow. Just looking at burger is restricted. Results? Cholesterol went from 220 to 205. I wound up taking a statin to get results. They seem to work no matter what I eat.

Don
Diagnosed 04/10/08
Age 58
PSA 21.5 (first and only test resulted from follow up visit to emergency room for kidney stone. first time for kidney stone too)
Gleason 4 + 3
DRE palpable tumor on left side
100% of 12 cores positive for PCa range 35% to 85%
Bone scan clear
Chest x ray clear
CT scan shows potential lymph node involvement in pelvic region
Started Casodex on May 2 and stopped on June 1, 2008
Lupron injection on May 15 and every four months for next two years
PSA test on July 14, 08 after 8 weeks hormone .82
Started IMRT/IGRT on July 10, 2008. 45 treatments scheduled
First 25 to be full pelvic for a total dose of 45 Gray to lymph nodes.
Last 20 to prostate only. Total dose to prostate 81 Gray.
Completed IMRT/IGRT 09/11/08.
Second Lupron shot 09/11/08
Next PSA test by oncologist 03/09
 
 


Bluenose
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Total Posts : 260
   Posted 12/3/2008 4:41 PM (GMT -6)   

 

....ah man, not cheeseburgers):  we're the cheeseburger generation...more wine please!  I know..


 
   age: 53
   Pre-0p PSA  Feb. 08, 5.0
      4.22.08, 4.1
      PSA  spiked once about 8yrs ago to 5.0 three months later
      back to 2.9...then into the 1.2 range until my re-scheduled 
      "missed" appointment this past Feb.
      Biopsy 5.1.08 
      Gleason-3+4=7
      T2a
      5 of 15 cores positive
      Da Vinci scheduled..7.29.08..as I read somewhere on this 
      site....."the first show of the day"
       DaVinci completed 7.29.08, Bladder Sling installed, hernia repair 
       completed during surgery.    
        Sent home 30hrs,  JP drain in place 7days,
       Path report "cancer fully contained"....Margins clear
        Cath removed 8.8.08(ten days)...one lightly used pad 24 hours
        ED therapy begins 8.9.08. 100mg viagra three times a week,
        pump everyday and hold for ten minutes.
        8.16.08 switched to Levitra 20mg.......whahoo, got lucky...
        immediate results..... 
        9.15.08 pad free at night, one thin (light) pad during the daytime
        hours. Just because I'm chicken..!
         9.18.08 1st post-0p-PSA-Undetectable...Zero's!  Yes!
 
           ..."just tryin' to reason with hurricane season"..
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
       


DoingFine
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Date Joined Sep 2008
Total Posts : 46
   Posted 12/3/2008 4:57 PM (GMT -6)   
I will ask the doc about the suspected link, and where his info comes from. He promotes a vegetarian, or mostly vegetarian diet and is in very good condition and health.

It wasn't a dietary restriction, rather a suggestion on a personal level.
Age at dx: 51 Age now: 52
Great health: Riding bike 200+ miles weekly; no symptoms
First PSA: 4.7 March 2008 (bummer)
Second PSA: 4.97 June 2008
Biopsy June 2008
Positive 5 of 12 cores (real bummer) T1c
Gleason 3+3
Bone scan: 7 July negative
RRP surgery 3 Sept 2008 at the Mayo Clinic: Rochester, MN
All clear
Catheter out 22 Sept 8:30 AM, catheter back in at 11:30 (not happy)
Catheter out 30 Sept (this time for good!)
Total continence, no erectile difficulties from day one (Cialis 10mg daily)
Back on bike 15 Oct. (42 days . . . with doc's approval)
Dec. 2 2008 psa Undetectable!


RBinCountry
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Date Joined Apr 2008
Total Posts : 270
   Posted 12/3/2008 5:29 PM (GMT -6)   
You know things are bad enough dealing with IC and ED - now no cheeseburgers - just shoot me!

RB
Age 61 (now 62)
Original data - pre-operation
PSA: 5.1
T1C clinical diagnosis, Needle biopsy - 10 cores, Gleason 7 = 3+4 in 1 core (40%), 7 cores Gleason 6 = 3+3 ranging from 5% to 12%
All scans negative
Lupron administered 4/9/2008 for 4 months (with idea I would undergo external beam radiation followed by seed implants - then I changed my mind).
Robotic DiVinci surgery - Dr. Fagin (Austin) May 19th
Post operative - pathology
pT2c NX MX
Gleason 3+4
Margins - negative
Extraprostatic extension - negative
seminal vesicle invasion - uninvolved
1st Post PSA <.04
2nd Post PSA <.1 10/30/2008

Ziggy9
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Total Posts : 981
   Posted 12/3/2008 5:38 PM (GMT -6)   
It's no secret cheeseburgers and much of the American diet we baby boomers grew up with is bad. Of course eating tofu and veggies is much better, but screw that. The key is moderation. I'm too old to give up cheeseburgers from now on and will still have one occasionally. I also need my breakfast burrito before an early tee time too. Is it a surprise I've been divorced for awhile now? <g>
Diagnosed 10/08/07
Age: 58
3 of 12 @5%
Psa: 2.3
3+3=6
Size: 34g
T-2-A
 
2/22/08
3D Mapping Saturation Biopsy
1 of 45 @2%
Psa:2.1
3+3=6
28g after taking Avodart
Catheter for 1 day
Good Candidate for TFT
(Targeted Focal Therapy)
Cryosurgery(Ice Balls)
Clinical Research Study
 
4/22/08
TFT performed at University of Colorado
Medical Center at Denver Fitzsimons Campus
Catheter for 4 days
Slight soreness for 2 weeks but afterward
life returns as normal
 
7/30/08
Psa: .32
 
11/10/08
Psa.62
 
April, 2009
Final Biopsy scheduled to
complete clinical research study 
 
 
 


LV-TX
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   Posted 12/3/2008 6:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the link Don...but the article was addressing those that haven't got PCa and what the doctor for DoingFine indicated was a link for reoccurrance and I don't see a link at all. I think if you are going to have reoccurrance after surgery it was because not all the cancer was removed or it had spread beyond the prostate prior to removal. So in that case...what would diet matter except for overall good health?

I believe in a good diet and actively living a healthy life style...but if PCa has been removed by surgery...I doubt that diet or lack of a proper diet is going to cause it to come back.

Sorry...gotta go get me a cheeseburger...I am starved.
Les
 
Age 58 at Diagnosis
Oct 2006 - PSA 2.6 - DRE Normal
May 2008 - PSA 4.6 - DRE Normal / TRUS normal-Gland 38 cc
July 2008 - Biopsy 4 of 12 Positive 5 - 30% Involved Bilateral (Perineural Invasion present at base)
Gleason (3+3) 6  Stage T1C
August 23 - Bone Scan - Hips, Spine and ribs marked uptake - X-Ray showed clear -Hooray
Sept 9 2nd DRE - questionable - TRUS...shadow in base - Gland now 41 cc
Robotic Surgery Sept 18, 2008
Pathology October 1,2008
Gleason 7 (4+3) Staged pT2c NO MX
Gland 50 cc
Seminal Vesicles and Lymph Nodes clear
Positive Margins Right Posterior Lobe
4 tumors in prostate - largest being 6 cm 
PSA Oct 08 <.05


Tony Crispino
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Total Posts : 8128
   Posted 12/3/2008 8:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Good news on the tests! Always nice to hear...

about the cheeseburger...I have advanced prostate cancer and I like cheeseburgers. But I know about three or four guys who have lived on a Vegan diet for much of theirs lives who have advanced prostate cancer, too. There is some substance to diet and certain types of cancers. But there are no proven studies about what works in the diet. I find it amazing.

For me? I'm gonna eat a heart healthy diet. Cheeseburgers in moderation, I don't eat red meat every day, load up on the veggies sans too much dressing!...After vitamin D and pomagranite juice, I don't supplement often.

Tony
Age 46 (44 when Dx)
Pre-op PSA was 19.8
Surgery on Feb 16, 2007 @ The City of Hope
Post-Op Pathology: Gleason 4+3=7, positive margins, Extra Prostatic Extension (EPE)
Bilateral seminal vesicle invasion (SVI); Stage pT3b, N0, Mx
HT began in May, '07 with Lupron and Casodex 50mg (2 Year ADT)
IMRT radiation for 38 Treatments ending August 3, '07
Current PSA (September 17 '08): <0.1 ~ Undetectable!
 
You can visit my Journey at:
 
STAY POSITIVE!
 
 


FLHW(David E)
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Date Joined Nov 2007
Total Posts : 201
   Posted 12/3/2008 8:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Try turkey burgers, Costco sell really good frozen ones....add a few grilled onions and some feta cheese....mmmmm!
Dx'd 2/18/05
PSA 271, bone mets, lymph node involvement
Gleason Score: 7
Current (11-3-08)
PSA: 31.18
Taxotere + Prednisone + Atrasentan
[8th Treatment on November 3rd]
Clinical Trial:
http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00134056?term=prostate+AND+atrasentan&rank=2
Lupron
Personal Blog:
prostatecancerat42.blogspot.com


Tony Crispino
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Total Posts : 8128
   Posted 12/3/2008 8:53 PM (GMT -6)   
That sounds good, David, but I'm not much of an onion guy...perhaps some mushrooms sauteed in olive oil?. I also switched from beef to chicken taco's, but I still once in a while a cheeseburger hits the spot...I feel guilty, for about a minute. And I love sushi....

Tony
Age 46 (44 when Dx)
Pre-op PSA was 19.8
Surgery on Feb 16, 2007 @ The City of Hope
Post-Op Pathology: Gleason 4+3=7, positive margins, Extra Prostatic Extension (EPE)
Bilateral seminal vesicle invasion (SVI); Stage pT3b, N0, Mx
HT began in May, '07 with Lupron and Casodex 50mg (2 Year ADT)
IMRT radiation for 38 Treatments ending August 3, '07
Current PSA (September 17 '08): <0.1 ~ Undetectable!
 
You can visit my Journey at:
 
STAY POSITIVE!
 
 


Lungman
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Date Joined Jan 2008
Total Posts : 276
   Posted 12/5/2008 8:59 AM (GMT -6)   
Welcome to the 0 Club DoingFine, I am happy for you and wish you a lifetime of 0's. I was mindful of my diet prior to having PCa, but am even more diligent now, sure I miss some things, but being as healthy as I can be outweighs any short term satisfaction achieved by eating.
Randy
46 you when diagnosed, now 48
Pre-Op PSA 9.9
1 of 12 cores positive, Gleason 3+3
DaVinci on 9/5/2007
Post-Op Gleason 3+6, Negative Nodes and Margins
Less than 1% of prostate involved with CA
3 Month PSA 0.01, 6 Month PSA 0.01, 9 Month PSA 0.01
One Year PSA 0.01
Incontinence resolved 9/15/2007, one day after cath removal
ED showing significant improvement.
Occasional Success with Oral Meds
Success with BiMix


livinadream
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Total Posts : 1382
   Posted 12/7/2008 11:40 AM (GMT -6)   
welcome to the zero club my friend. Not sure what to say about the cheeseburgers. I am no doctor that is for sure and I do believe diet plays an important part in our overall health, however I think a cheeseburger every now and then will not hurt. Matter of fact I think I will go get one now.

peace and love
Dale
My PSA at diagnosis was 16.3
age 46 (current)
My gleason score from prostate was 4+5=9 and from the lymph nodes was 4+4=8
I had 44 IMRT's
Casodex
Currently on Lupron
I go to The Cancer Treatment Center of America
Married with two kids
latest PSA 5-27-08 0.11
PSA July 24th, 2008 is 0.04
cancer in 4 of 6 cores
92%
80%
37%
28%
 

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