John T (et al)- I posted once before on a person I know that has done this, kind of like a pioneer for us to look at these days. He took his chances on this 12-14 yrs. ago (1996 actually). Here is the awesome story from another Michigan guy, that I met at my support group and have called by phone a couple years ago to see how he was still doing. (I care about
our choices big time)
Rick K. is his name he was in his early 50's when diagnosed, I am looking at my notes right now that I know about
his case. His bPsa 10.8 4 cores found with Pca, was given Gleason 5 (2+3) and this was never reviewed by an expert (local pathology guy)....it is rare to see anybody with less than a 6 gleason (but is possible), he believed he was T2b stage, not sure on the DRE (my guess is it was positive).
He did Dr. Leibowitz program herein Michigan under a different doc (most likely was an onco-doc, I believe he got the information from PAACT.org group). Using the ADT3 combo (Lupron+Casodex+Proscar) for 13 months and quit, except you stay on Proscar for maintenance. (Proscar for me had no noticeable effects when I took it alone, as to side effects)
Well within months Rick says he is completely normal as a man (manhood restored, no issues).
Years going by and his psa in normal range levels now, Rick still decides to get re-biopsies....is the PCa to be found or not????? First re-biopsy nothing found no PCa on pathology. He did this again after some time went by, Rick is nobodys fool and needs to know how effective is this....2nd rebiopsy and nothing found.
It has been like 13 yrs. now and Rick is totally normal as a man, he monitors psa always, but still looking good....."cured".......myself I say maybe at best....and more likely would say "no" he is not cured. Is he stupid for avoiding life altering invasive or more 'heavy duty' modalities upon his person as a patient?????
He can still do all treatments available, however surgery would be more difficult because of shrinkage of the gland using these drugs, makes it harder for the doc to do this, but could still be done.
I KEEP SAYING PCA IS LIKE THE TWILIGHT ZONE- it is crazy world of choices and outcomes.
Now this does not mean that every man whom tries this will achieve identical results....this is the Twilight Zone....there are no guarantees in PCa....if so "show me the money", been looking at everything for many years. However, is Dr. Leibowitz giving the straight up truth, could be, we need more examples and studies or abstract of hundreds of patients, besides his own to be more objective.
Now ask yourself was Rick K. stupid?????????????????? (Rick's psa a few years ago stabil at 1.6 which he still has an intact prostate gland, 2 re-biopsies an nothing found!!!
Oh the maintenance on Proscar or using Avodart.....zufus-s.w.a.g. (scientific wild ass guess as to why???) It shuts down DHT (your body takes normal testosterone and coverts it into this type, which is 5 times more potent than the normal "T" levels....PCa is fueled by "T" and prefers "DHT", that is my swag guess....but I am layperson....and it is the Twilight Zone~~~do~do~do~do~do~do~do (background music)
Post Edited (zufus) : 1/24/2009 4:56:34 AM (GMT-7)