Best foods to prevent reoccurrance?

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JerseyG
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   Posted 2/10/2009 4:31 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey fellow members of the PC Brotherhood. My question is can anyone recommend a diet that would be beneficial in preventing PC reoccurrance? I have already started drinking green tea, pomegranate juice, and soy milk everyday. I've eliminated red meat and regular milk from my diet. I eat at least one salad a day (yuck). Plenty of broccoli at least 3 to 4 times a week. I take vitamin D and omega 3 supplements once daily and try to soak up sunlight for 30 mins a couple of days a week when I'm off. I drink V8 every day. Eat almonds, and dark chocolate everyday. I eat fish (wild caught salmon) at least 1 or 2 times a week. I think that's it. If anyone can recommend something else I'm sure we'd all love to hear it. Thanks


Age now 44 (43 when dx)
 
Pre-op PSA:  0.9
Biopsy: 3/12 cores pos  20% 30% 50%
Gleason 3+3=6
Robotic RP:   Aug 08 1 day hospital stay, cath out on 8th day.
Post Surgery Pathology Report: Gleason 6, pT2c, tumor 10% contained in prostate gland, all margins negative. Negative lymph nodes
Post Op PSA: Dec 08 <0.1


gpg
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   Posted 2/10/2009 4:35 PM (GMT -6)   

The thing that is so irriatating to me about this diesease is that there is no connection to diet etc...

There is anecctodal talk about meat, milk, etc...

 I think the diet angle is a farce.

 Scott


Diagnosed @ 48yo 04/07
focal, low volume tumor gleason 6
RRP 07/30/07
Persistance of PSA
IMRT 11/07-01/08
Emerg, cysto obstructed bladder 01/08
Persistance of PSA
08/08 learned Dr. left significant amount of prostate
12/08 PCA3 negative
12/08 saturation biopsy 36 cores 24 having normal prostate tissue
12/08 referred whole to med malprac attorney


chris nz
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   Posted 2/10/2009 5:10 PM (GMT -6)   
My twopenneth of take on diet.
Whether a specific diet is delaying any progression is up for debate. However many people derive psychological benefit from the fact that they are at least doing 'something' rather than just sitting there and accepting what the doctors say with no input, and that alone must be worth a few credits. Perhaps if more people round the world considered what they ate then there would be possibly less obesity, healthier more active bodies, which in turn would perhaps reduce the susceptibility to a whole raft of ailments, and less strain on the tax dollar for repairing the damage of poor diet.
chris nz
Dx Nov '03, age 61, 1 of 8 +, 3 + 3, PSA before biopsy 6.5.
after biopsy PSA went 10.5 and stayed there.
Tried a lot of the can't fail 'cures'. Found 'Prostasol' a version of PC Specs.
PSA dropped to less than 1.
Still tried other supplements but reverted back to 'P'. [ a herbal estrogen.] Had problems with hereditary Deep Vein Thrombosis, now on blood thinner.
March '08, second biopsy, 3 of 10 + [10-50%], 3 + 4, PSA 1.0. T2A.
Bone scan didn't show much, bone density showed early osteo in places.
Had Brachytherapy Aug 23 08. 75 seeds, started work again 2 days later
PSA after 6 weeks 7.8
PSA after 3 months 4.2, everything still working well, absolutely no problems. next check in May '09


BillyMac
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   Posted 2/10/2009 6:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Got to agree with chris nz, the psychological boost of feeling you are being active in the battle can only help while the benefit of a great diet will certainly help in all aspects of your health.
Bill
1/05 PSA----2.9 3/06-----3.2 3/07-------4.1 5/07------3.9 All negative DREs
Aged 59 when diagnosed
Biopsy 6/07
4 of 10 cores positive for Adenocarcinoma-------bummer!
Core 1 <5%, core 2----50%, core 3----60%, core 4----50%
Biopsy Pathologist's comment:
Gleason 4+3=7 (80% grade 4) Stage T2c
Neither extracapsular nor perineural invasion is identified
CT scan and Bone scan show no evidence of metastases
Da Vinci RP Aug 10th 2007
Post-op pathology:
Positive for perineural invasion and 1 small focal extension
Negative at surgical margins, negative node and negative vesicle involvement
Some 4+4=8 identified ........upgraded to Gleason 8
PSA Oct 07 <0.1 undetectable
PSA Jan 08 <0.1 undetectable
PSA April 08 <0.001 undetectable (disregarded due to lab "misreporting")
PSA August 08 <0.001 undetectable (disregarded due to lab "misreporting")
Post-op pathology rechecked by new lab:
Gleason downgraded to 4+3=7
Focal extension comprised of grade 3 cells
PSA September 08 <0.01 (new lab)


Purgatory
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   Posted 2/10/2009 6:49 PM (GMT -6)   
I am under the impression, that there is no way to directly prove a diet link to PC, being a shadow of a doubt. The diet and food choices described by Jersey above is a good one. I agree to, and I have been making major changes in my lifestyle and diet since PC, that a healthy diet is going to be good for our bodies, but unless this is undisputable proof, I don't think any diet change after a PC dx is going to change the outcome, severity, or reaccurance of cancer. If I am wrong on this point, please send links for me to study. It's never too late to make healthy changes, i.e. if you smoke, good time to give it up, if you are way too heavy, good time to lose weight, if you don't exercise, good time to at least start walking. My dealings with the PC for me, has been a serious wake up call, and I don't say this with any judgmental meaning to it, I am refering only to my self.

David
Age 56, 56 at DX, PSA 7/7 5.8, 7/8 12.3
3rd Biopsy 9/8 Positive 7 of 7 cores pos, 40-90%, Gleason 7
Open RP surgery 11/14/8, Right nerves saved, 4 days hospital, staples out 11/24/8, 5th cath out on 1/19/9
Post-surgery Pathlogy Report:Gleason 3+4=7, pT2c, 42 grm, tumor 20%, Contained in capsular, clear margins, clear lymph nodes 
First PSA Post Surgery   2/9 .05
 
 


JerseyG
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   Posted 2/10/2009 8:21 PM (GMT -6)   
I think there is some merrit to the diet angle. It's a well known fact that Asian men have the lowest instances of PC in the world but when they move to the U.S. their PC rates raise to reflect our PC rates. I know there are men who are vegetarians who get PC and there's no real scientific proof but hey it can't hurt. Like you guys have said at least I'm doing something. I don't go crazy. I still enjoy a good cigar but if there is anything to this diet thing I don't mind the changes I've made. I'm just looking for any additional suggestions as far as diet is concerned.

Age now 44 (43 when dx)
 
Pre-op PSA:  0.9
Biopsy: 3/12 cores pos  20% 30% 50%
Gleason 3+3=6
Robotic RP:   Aug 08 1 day hospital stay, cath out on 8th day.
Post Surgery Pathology Report: Gleason 6, pT2c, tumor 10% contained in prostate gland, all margins negative. Negative lymph nodes
Post Op PSA: Dec 08 <0.1


Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 2/11/2009 3:11 AM (GMT -6)   
MORE Blue Bell ice cream works for me. Its the old Quality of life versus Quanitity thing.
Age 53   - 5'11"   205lbs
Overall Heath Condition - Good
PSA - July 2007 & Jan 2008 -> 1.3
Biopsy - 03/04/08 -> Gleason 6 
 
06/25/08 - Da Vinci robotic laparoscopy
Catheter in for five weeks.
Dry after 3 months.
 
10/03/08 - 1st Quarter PSA -> less then .01
01/16/09 - 2nd Quarter PSA -> less then .01
Surgeon - Keith A. Waguespack, M.D.
 


Ripandburn
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   Posted 2/11/2009 6:12 AM (GMT -6)   
There is a wonderful book that I would suggest to anyone that is going through this or any other cancer. I believe it is under $20.00 at Amazon.


Anticancer: A New Way of Life by David Servan-Schreiber
53 years - 5' 11" 202 lbs.
T1c 3+3=6
DaVinci July 16, 2007
Bladder Sling installed during prostate removal
nerve sparing with both nerve bundles intact
all cancer contained within prostate nothing near margins
11 weeks post-op - no more pads
all PSA's since removal < .1 - Undetectable


DoingFine
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Total Posts : 46
   Posted 2/11/2009 6:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Not wanting to make light of a serious subject . . . but:

Some of you may recall a discussion we had several months ago about "cheeseburgers . . ."

Simply put, my doc suggested less red meat. When asked about cheeseburgers he laughed and said cut them out.

A couple of weeks ago I was riding a chairlift with a (cancer free) buddy . . . when I told him about the link he said "I east lots of bacon cheeseburgers!"

Ahha I thought . . . therein lies the solution:

I had been forgoing the bacon!

(for what it is worth, I have made a serious, concsious effort to reduce my red meat consumption . . . while maintaining my quality of life!)

Cheers,
Rich
Age at dx: 51 Age now: 52
Great health: Riding bike 200+ miles weekly; no symptoms
First PSA: 4.7 March 2008 Second PSA: 4.97 June 2008
Biopsy June 2008 Positive 5 of 12 cores T1c, Gleason 3+3, Bone scan: 7 July negative
RRP surgery 3 Sept 2008 at the Mayo Clinic: Rochester, MN, All clear
Catheter out 22 Sept 8:30 AM, catheter back in at 11:30, Catheter out 30 Sept (this time for good!)
Total continence, no erectile difficulties from day one (Cialis 10mg daily)
Back on bike 15 Oct. (42 days . . . with doc's approval)
Dec. 2 2008 psa Undetectable!


sterd82
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   Posted 2/11/2009 6:49 AM (GMT -6)   
My oncologist told me he really doesn't believe the cancer cells know what you're eating. I initally went a little "diet crazy", drove my wife nuts, and still had a PSA recurrence (I believe due to a positive margin). THat being said, less red meat, more veggies have got to be good for you regardless of PCa.

I do drink pommegranite juice every moning -- there ARE some studies out there on this (mostly funded by the folks who make pommegranit juice). I also find scotch to be theraputic--- maybe that's just the psychological boost I'm getting?
Sterd82
Age 48 - pre-surgery PSA 39 (at age 45)
Open Radical Prostatectomy 6/9/2006
Pathological Stage T3a, Positive Surgical Margin
Gleason 3+4
PSA rose to .24 in November of 2006
6 month hormone therapy initiated December 1. 2006
36 sessions of IMRT Ended Feb 1, 2007
PSA as of May 25, 2007 undetectable
PSA as of November 29, 2007 undetectable
PSA as of May 14, 2008 undetectable
PSA as of November 25, 2008 undetectable


Purgatory
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   Posted 2/11/2009 7:22 AM (GMT -6)   
sterd, I am quite sure that the scotch has the correctic theraputic balance and medicinal value, in particular if its a well aged single malt.
Age 56, 56 at DX, PSA 7/7 5.8, 7/8 12.3
3rd Biopsy 9/8 Positive 7 of 7 cores pos, 40-90%, Gleason 7
Open RP surgery 11/14/8, Right nerves saved, 4 days hospital, staples out 11/24/8, 5th cath out on 1/19/9
Post-surgery Pathlogy Report:Gleason 3+4=7, pT2c, 42 grm, tumor 20%, Contained in capsular, clear margins, clear lymph nodes 
First PSA Post Surgery   2/9 .05
 
 


sterd82
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   Posted 2/11/2009 8:54 AM (GMT -6)   
Glenlivet does just fine in my medicine cabinet! wink
Sterd82
Age 48 - pre-surgery PSA 39 (at age 45)
Open Radical Prostatectomy 6/9/2006
Pathological Stage T3a, Positive Surgical Margin
Gleason 3+4
PSA rose to .24 in November of 2006
6 month hormone therapy initiated December 1. 2006
36 sessions of IMRT Ended Feb 1, 2007
PSA as of May 25, 2007 undetectable
PSA as of November 29, 2007 undetectable
PSA as of May 14, 2008 undetectable
PSA as of November 25, 2008 undetectable


LV-TX
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   Posted 2/11/2009 10:08 AM (GMT -6)   
Glenfiddish works just fine for me....  smilewinkgrin
You are beating back cancer, so hold your head up with dignity
 
Les
 
Age 58 at Diagnosis
Oct 2006 - PSA 2.6 - DRE Normal
May 2008 - PSA 4.6 - DRE Normal / TRUS normal-Gland 38 cc
July 2008 - Biopsy 4 of 12 Positive 5 - 30% Involved Bilateral (Perineural Invasion present at base) - Gleason (3+3) 6  Stage T1C
August 23 - Bone Scan - Hips, Spine and ribs marked uptake - X-Ray showed clear -Hooray
Sept 9 2nd DRE - questionable - TRUS...shadow in base - Gland now 41 cc
Robotic Surgery Sept 18, 2008
Pathology October 1, 2008 - Gleason 7 (4+3) Staged pT2c NO MX - Gland 50 cc
Seminal Vesicles and Lymph Nodes clear
Positive Margins Right Posterior Lobe
4 tumors in prostate - largest being 6 cm 
PSA 5 week Oct 2008 <.05
       3 month Jan 2009 .06


divo
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   Posted 2/11/2009 4:56 PM (GMT -6)   
A friend brought back Edradour Scotch as a gift to Pete.....Check it out! ........BUT, Jersey, you are singing to the choir with me.....We do everything you do PLUS Tumeric and blueberries and no sugar. Pete has advanced cancer, but has held his PSA at about 0 .5 to 0 .6 for the past two years after the salvage surgery...I really think it is because of the food he eats. Although today, a friend brought over Sonny's Ribs, and we all ate them..YUM...You have to have a little fun!! Diane
Husband Pete
dx Jan 2001 gleason 4 + 3 PSA 16.5
Seed implant and conformal radiation and Lupron from Jan 2001 to Jan2002
2005 Dec PSA began to rise from .5 to 8 within 6 months
Salvage surgery at MSK 9/06 Dr. Eastham
Fistula operation 2/07 MSK Dr. Wong
Many cystoscopies and ER visits with strictures
Catheter for one year....Catheter taken out Sept 07..
Total Incontinence since then....
PSA .52 3/08
AUS Operation at MSK Sept 8 2008 Dr. Sandhu
Activated Oct 28th Dr. Sandhu..MSK
Some difficulty with AUS arising Nov 10 2008
Meeting with Dr. Sandhu to discuss AUS problems and new PSA test Dec 11, 2008
PSA .6 12/08
AUS improving..only 2 pads a day and one at night
Complete hip replacement surgery Dr. Waters Gainesville, FL 1/9/09
Forging ahead to health!


Purgatory
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   Posted 2/11/2009 5:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Diane, there are a million other reasons to eat healthy or at least healthier for all our health concerns, so it would always be a good thing in my opinion. Give that Pete a big howdy from me.

David
Age 56, 56 at DX, PSA 7/7 5.8, 7/8 12.3
3rd Biopsy 9/8 Positive 7 of 7 cores pos, 40-90%, Gleason 7
Open RP surgery 11/14/8, Right nerves saved, 4 days hospital, staples out 11/24/8, 5th cath out on 1/19/9
Post-surgery Pathlogy Report:Gleason 3+4=7, pT2c, 42 grm, tumor 20%, Contained in capsular, clear margins, clear lymph nodes 
First PSA Post Surgery   2/9 .05
 
 


BillSD
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   Posted 2/11/2009 6:38 PM (GMT -6)   

Jersey,

My diet is similar to yours. Looks like I am in the minority, but I do think diet can make a big difference. Here is a recent scholarly study from UC, Berkeley that finds brocolli has anti-cancer compunds that help advanced breast cancer patients. (One might assume brocolli would help in the fight with other cancers.)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081203092435.htm

It is frustrating when we read conflicting reports. But even if diet does not fight cancer, it sure improves quality of life, which only helps in the battle. I have lost 25 pounds, and feel at least ten years younger!

Bless you all.

Bill in San Diego

 


Age 60 (59 when Dx) PSA 4.4
Biopsy 5/15/08 Gleason (3+3=6)
Bone scan and pelvic CT: clear
HT - 2 mo Casodex, 3 mo Trelstar
RRP Surgery 9/15/08 La Mesa California
Geason 3+4=7, Stage pT2c pN0 MX
Seminal vesicals, perineural margin, 18 lymph nodes, bladder neck: all carcinoma free
Perineural invasion & Distal Margin: Carcinoma present
IMRT adjuvant radiation (35 Treatments) End 1/27/09
PSA (10/13/08): <0.1
 


John T
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   Posted 2/12/2009 9:26 AM (GMT -6)   
I was in Scott's camp until a couple of months ago, believing that diet had little to do with PC because of all the conflictiing studies. When I asked my Oco doc what I could do to prevent the cancer from growing he said go an a veg diet. After I laughed and asked if he were kidding he said he was dead serious and said I should read "The China Study" by Colin Cambell.
I'm pretty much a facts guy and after reading it I found out that the evidence was just too compelling to ignore anymore.
If you read any books or papers by oncologists they always stress diet, and they know more about the biology of cancer than all the other docs.
My take is that just about everyone has some type of cancer, whether it grows into a tumor or not depends on how it is nourished. In the lab we know we can affect the rate of tumor growth just by varing the amount of animal protien. There is also just too much anactodal information to ignore diet as a means of slowing progression of PC.
All the stats indicate that all of us are more likely to die from a heart attack then from PC, so a heart healthy diet has been proven in just about every study ever undertaken.
I've changed my diet about 3 months ago, cut out all meat, and dairy and try to limit all animal protien (fish) to less than 5%. I feel better than I have in 30 years, much more energy. I still have my 3 cigar a day habit, so I'm not totally overboard.
JohnT

I had a psa of 4.4 in 1999 and steadily increasing psa every 3-6 months before reaching 40 in 5-08.Free psa ranged from 16 to 10%

I had biopsies every year, 13 total in all. I saw 5 different doctors, all urologists or urological oncologists at Long Beach, UCLA, UCSF and UCI and had an MRIS at UCSF in 2007. All tests were negative and I was told that because of all the biopsies I most likely didn't have PC, but to keep getting biopsies every year.

in Oct 08 my 13th biopsy of 25 cores indicated 2 positive cores, gleason 3+3 less that 5% in 2 cores. Doc recommended surgery.

2nd opinion from a prostate oncologist, referred by my wife's oncologists said cancer found wis indolant and statistacally insignificant, but PSA histor was a major concern and ordered a few more tests.

Color Doppler ultrasound with targeted biopsy found a transition zone tumor 18mmX16mm, gleason 3+4 and 4+3. CT and bone scans clear, but Doc thinks that there may be lymph node involvement (30% chance) because of my high PSA, and referred me for a Combidex MRI in Holland, currently scheduled for Feb 14.

Changed diet and takiing supplements while I wait. The location of the tumor plus the high psa make surgery an unlikely option. I'm still evaluatiing all treatment options and will make a decision once I get the results of the Combidex scan.

JohnT


taiping
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   Posted 2/13/2009 7:18 AM (GMT -6)   

Hi JerseyG,

I agree with your diet. Suggest you read The China Study by T. Colin Campbell.

Quote: "Dairy intake is one of the most consistent dietery predictors for prostate cancer in the published literature" and "meats, dairy products, and eggs have frequently been associated with a higher risk of proste cancer [twenty-three studies cited]"

taiping

 


Diagnosed: June 2007. Aged 61. PSA 19.6. DRE negative.
Biopsy: June 2007; 2 cores of 18 positive.
MRI and Bone Scan: Negative.
Pathology: 5% of 1 core, "Small focus" in another core +ve.
Gleason 3 + 3 = 6.
Clinical: PCa considered confined to prostate. Stage T1c.
Treatment: After considering RP and HD Brachy, decided on Intermittent Triple Androgen Blockade Therapy for 1-year, using ZOLADEX, CASODEX 150 mg/day, AVODART 0.5 mg/day. Start PSA 19.2 (July 2007).
Completed Intermittent TAB on 23 July 2008, continue with AVODART alone and monitor PSA every 3-months. Changed to PROSCAR in Sept 2008.
Current Status: PSA = 0.22 (January 2009).
PSA nadir 0.01 (October 2008).
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