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Radical
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Date Joined Mar 2009
Total Posts : 739
   Posted 3/28/2009 3:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Guys, I'm just curious as to the evidence or lack of, in relation to the amount of beer that can bring on PCa.  I was a big drinker before DX, that is I would normally consume approx 5-6 glasses of beer per day.  I probably did this for some 10-15 years prior to DX.  nono
 
Anybody else out there been a big drinker, particulary beer.  Is there a chance that big beer
drinkers are more likely to get PC ?
 
Just wondering...............Rookey
Age 51yrs
DX 11/11/08
DRE - Negative
6 out of 8 cores positive 3 X 60% / 3 X 10%
PSA 4
Gleason 3+4=7
Stage T1c
Robotic Surgery 24/12/08
Upgrade Gleason 4+3=7
Stage T2c
Three small foci total volume 10%
Neg Margins and Nodes
Nil - Extraprostatic Extentions
Dry less than 1 week (unbelievable)
ED- taking Meds/ No result yet
PSA 28/1/09 0.03
PSA 24/2/09 0.03
"Everyday in Everyway I get better"


Ed C. (Old67)
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Date Joined Jan 2009
Total Posts : 2455
   Posted 3/28/2009 4:13 PM (GMT -7)   
Rookie,
I don't think there is any evidence of beer causing PCa. I have aggressive PCa and I drink less than one beer per month.
Age: 67
Retired in 2001 and living in Austin TX.
PSA 3.5 free PSA 11%
Dx 12/30/08
2 cores out of 12 were positive Gleason (4+4) and (4+5)
Negative CT scan and bone scan done on 1/16
Robotic surgery performed on Feb 9th
Surgeon: Dr. Randy Fagin, Austin TX.
Post op Pathology report:
Prostate weighed 57 grams
size:5.2 x 5.0 x 4.9 cm
10-20% involved
Bilateral
Gleason 4+4
both nerve bundles removed,
pT3a Nx Mx
Negative margins
Lymph nodes: not dissected
seminal vesicles clean


Tony Crispino
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Date Joined Dec 2006
Total Posts : 8128
   Posted 3/28/2009 5:18 PM (GMT -7)   
I don't think there is anything more than what anybody would recommend for moderation. That stated, if anyone thinks they are drinking too much red wine, send it to me...I will protect you...

:-)

Tony
Age 46 (44 when Dx)
Pre-op PSA was 19.8 : Surgery at The City of Hope on February 16, 2007
Geason 4+3=7, Stage pT3b, N0, Mx
Positive Margins (PM), Extra Prostatic Extension (EPE) : Bilateral Seminal vesicle invasion (SVI)
HT began in May, '07 with Lupron and Casodex 50mg (2 Year ADT)
IMRT radiation for 38 Treatments ending August 3, '07
Current PSA (January 13, 2009): <0.1
 
My Journal is at Tony's Blog  
 
STAY POSITIVE!


Purgatory
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Date Joined Oct 2008
Total Posts : 25353
   Posted 3/28/2009 5:22 PM (GMT -7)   
My PC was pretty agressive, and I haven't even had a sip of beer or wine for over 36 years.
Age 56, 56 at DX, PSA 7/7 5.8, 7/8 12.3,9/8 14.5
3rd Biopsy Sept 08: Positive 7 of 7 cores, 40-90%, Gleason 7, 4+3
Open RP surgery 11/14/8, Right nerves spared, 4 days hospital, staples out 11/24/8, 5th cath out on 1/19/9
Post-surgery Pathlogy Report:Gleason 3+4=7, pT2c, 42 grm, tumor 20%, Contained in capsular, clear margins, clear lymph nodes 
First PSA Post Surgery   2/9 .05, 6 month on 5/9
 
 


cave88
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Date Joined Jul 2008
Total Posts : 76
   Posted 3/28/2009 8:20 PM (GMT -7)   
I drink a lot of beer. My dad has also done the same and he has never had signs of pca. I have done a bit of reading on pca since being diagnosed. I have a feeling that within the near future that our diet will be linked to pca and possibly breast cancer will be linked to diet just as smoking has been linked to lung cancer. In fact I believe this to be the case. There just is not the "smoking gun" to prove it as of yet. We all eat, not everyone has smoked.
age:  44
1st psa Apr 08 3.06
2nd psa 6/16/8 4.02,  DRE showed nothing abnormal
biopsy 7/10/08 positive 5 of 12
Da Vinci 8/04/8 Parkview Memorial in FT Wayne IN 
gleason 3 + 3 = 6
prostate 27 g, 4 x 4 x 3.1 cm
Stage:  pT2cNXMX
margins:  apical margin involved
no extraprostatic extension of tumor
seminal vesicle involvement: absent
1st post-op psa, 3 month, 0.11 11/08
2nd post-op psa, 6 month, 0.12 2/09/09
 
 


mvesr
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Date Joined Apr 2007
Total Posts : 823
   Posted 3/29/2009 4:21 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Rookey

Don't know but if you drink enough beer, you probably will not care that much about the PC.

Mika
age at dx 54 now 56
psa at dx 4.3
got the bad news 1/29/07
open surgery Duke Medical Center 5-29-07
never more than 2 pads
Tossed the pads this spring
ED still a problem
Got a shot last week and it was great
A year an a half of zero's
 


kcragman
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Date Joined May 2008
Total Posts : 240
   Posted 3/30/2009 6:51 AM (GMT -7)   
Personally, I think it is all in the genes. We've discussed Vitamin D (sunlight and or milk) and other potential facotrs, but I'm not sure any of it makes sense.

My father hammered his body with beer (sometimes a case a day) and cigarettes from the time he was 21(?) until he literally dropped dead of a heart attack at 65. Cancer was never an issue. My mother's family is a bunch of clean-living farmers, most of whom have probably never had a cigarette or a drink in their lives. Yet her 2 brothers (my uncles) died of cancer years ago, and one of her sisters is a long-time breast cancer survivor.

Go figure.

kcragman
Age: 53; 52 at DX
March 2006: PSA 2.5
Dec 2007: PSA taken for insurance application. I did not see the results until late
Jan '08 - after I was rejected. Their lab said PSA 4.5.
Feb 2008: PSA 3.7.
March 2008: Biopsy. Gleason 7 (4+3) 12 cores taken. 5 on the left side were
cancerous and the 6th was suspect.
May 5, 2008: Da Vinci robotic laparoscopy at GW Hospital, Washington DC.

Post op: Gleason 9 (4+5). 15% of prostate involved. Stage: pT3a. Negative margins. Lymph node and nerve samples taken, and appeared to be cancer free.

July 2008: PSA at 7 weeks was undetectable.
August 2008: PSA at 14 weeks (3 months) was undetectable.
Nov 2008: PSA at 6 months was undetectable.
Feb 2009: PSA at 9 months was undetectable.


hb2006
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Date Joined Nov 2008
Total Posts : 299
   Posted 3/30/2009 9:49 AM (GMT -7)   
I think that it has more to do with red meat than alcohol. I grew up on a farm and had red meat for three meals every day for half my life.
Age 60
PSA 2007 4.1
PSA 2008 10.0
Diagnosed April 2008
Biopsy: 6 of 12 cores positive
Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
CT and Bone Scan negative
Open surgery at Shawnee Mission Medical Center May 21, 2008
Right side nerves spared
Radical prostatectomy and lymph node dissection
Cather removed on June 3rd, totally dry on July 9th
pT2c
lymph nodes negative
PSA Sept 28, 2008 0.00
PSA Jan 22, 2009 0.00


sandstorm
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Date Joined Dec 2008
Total Posts : 194
   Posted 3/30/2009 11:35 AM (GMT -7)   
Love the dark ales myself along with red wine and scotch. I believe about the only thing they ever gave me beside an occasional headache was a spare tire around the middle. As for PC I believe genetics plays the largest role.
Age at DX 57
5-18-07 PSA 7.7
5-06-08 PSA 4.6  8% free psa, but stable
10-23-08 PSA 5.65 4% free psa
11-04-08 biopsy
11-11-08 2 of 12 cores positive
Gleason 3+3  6  stage t1c / post-op 3+4  7  stage t2c
CT and Bone scan negative
Da Vinci RRP 01-09-09
Catheter removed 1-15-09
Pathology Report says it's gone!
First Post-op PSA 2-17-09   0.00


CPA
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Date Joined Feb 2008
Total Posts : 655
   Posted 3/30/2009 4:52 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Rookey.  I'm a teetotaler as is my father who also has PCa (he's 81) so don't think there is any link.  Now if you go to the red meat thing you might be on to something :-)  .  David

Age 55
Diagnosed Dec 2007 during annual routine physical
PSA doubled from previous year from 1.5 to 3.2
12 biopsies - 2 positive with 2 marginal
Gleason 3 + 3 = 6
RRP 4 Feb 08
Both nerves spared
Good pathology - no margins - all encapsulated - Gleason 4 + 3 = 7
Catheter out Feb 13 - wore pad for couple of days - pad free Feb 16
Great wife and family who take very good care of me


justus1292
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Date Joined Feb 2009
Total Posts : 63
   Posted 4/2/2009 3:06 PM (GMT -7)   
According to my first uro, drinking and smoking show no links to PCa.

Roger G
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Date Joined Apr 2008
Total Posts : 150
   Posted 4/2/2009 8:55 PM (GMT -7)   
The title of the post had me scared!! 
 
I can handle the occational leak,
 
...and am slighly depressed about my ED
 
.... BUT DON'T TOUCH MY BEER nono
Age: 44 (42 when diagnosed)
DRE Small Ridge on prostate, PSA 1.5
07/2007: Diagnosed cancer, T2c, Gleason 3+4=7
09/2007: Laparoscopic prostectomy @ Hamilton General, 4 hrs.
01/2008: Still working on ED.
 
 

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