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DanaA
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   Posted 4/30/2009 9:12 AM (GMT -7)   
My boyfriend loves his bike and a friend of mine who's a nurse for 20 years with cancer patients advised me he shouldn't ride the rest of the summer. Another doctor agreed. But the doctor who's doing the robotic surgery said it would be fine after four weeks. He also made a comparison to riding a riding lawnmower, which I think is ignorant. I read an article about electromagnetic fields from the bike causing prostate cancer, but that wasn't the reason the ones advised no riding for the summer. It was more about the pressure on the area. His bike is a big, heavy Harley. I'd rather he play it safe and not take any chances. Anyone care to support my position in being the "mean mommy"?
 
Dana
SO diagnosed 4/15/09 age 47
PSA 10
Right side= Gleason 4+4=7, 40% involved, 5 out of 6 cores positive, perineural invasion present
Left side+ Gleason 4+4=8, 60% involved, 5 out of 6 cores positive, no perineural invasion present
T2c


geezer99
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   Posted 4/30/2009 9:38 AM (GMT -7)   
The correct answer is probably “no one knows for sure.” Some guys ride cycles right a way with no problems, some have problems and lie to their doctors about riding, and so on…

Bicycle seats are considered worse (even if you still have your prostate) because they are so narrow and thus concentrate the weight of your body on such a small area. The thing to remember is that surgery rearranges the parts between your legs, moves and reattaches your bladder, and leaves gaps where connections used to be. Going back to riding soon may have some risk, but his doctor probably has a pretty good handle on this.

Disclaimer: Years ago I quit riding and sold my 750 to my brother-in-law. My sister didn’t speak to me for a year.
Age at diagnosis 67, PSA 5.5
Biopsy 12/08 12 cores, 8 positive
Gleason 3 + 4 = 7
CAT scan 1/09 negative, Bone scan 1/09 negative

Robotic surgery 03/03/09 Catheter Removed 03/08/09
Post surgical pathology report. Lymph nodes negative, Seminal vesicles negative
Surgical margins positive, Capsular penetration extensive Gleason 4 + 3 = 7


CapnLarry
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   Posted 4/30/2009 10:08 AM (GMT -7)   
I can't speak to the medical advisability or otherwise. But if his experience is like mine, he'll have some swelling and discomfort in that area for several weeks, which will subside over time. When he's comfortable, he can ride.

Of course, my perspective may not apply to him, since my 250K miles were mostly on BMW's. tongue

Oh, and he's going to have some incisions in the abdomen that will make it really a bad idea to try to pick up his mount if he lays it down, for maybe 4-6 weeks.

Good luck.
Larry Shick
Personal homepage incl. PCa story: www.sv-moira.com.
01/09: Diagnosed (age 60) biopsy PSA 4.4, free PSA 9%, T2c stage, Gleason 7 (3+4), 7 of 14 cores; 6'2", 200 lbs.
03/09: Robotic surgery (Dr. Kawachi, City of Hope) 47 gms, 10% involved, staging/Gleason unchanged (pT2cNXMX), margins clear, no ECE/sem ves involvement, fully continent from day 1, some success w/Viagra 50mg/day.


RBinCountry
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   Posted 4/30/2009 10:43 AM (GMT -7)   

I am trying to remember back, but I think my doc told me no riding for 9 weeks.  Regardless, I have a little different take.  I have a bike like your friend.  A big street bike does not have a narrow seat.  It sets more like a chair.  I think when most general statements are made about not riding bikes it is a generalization of all bikes.  A dirt bike for example will be very rough and does have a narrow seat.  A sport cycle makes you lean forward and places more pressure down south where the prostate use to be located, but a street bike does not.  Obviously, a bicycle has a seat that hurts even normal people.

Well, I began riding my bike about 2 months out, and have not had any problem.  Obviously, care must be exercised in everything anyone does.  Blessings.


RB
Age 62
Original data - pre-operation
PSA: 5.1
T1C clinical diagnosis, Needle biopsy - 10 cores, Gleason 7 = 3+4 in 1 core (40%), 7 cores Gleason 6 = 3+3 ranging from 5% to 12%
All scans negative
Lupron administered 4/9/2008 for 4 months (with idea I would undergo external beam radiation followed by seed implants - then I changed my mind).
Robotic DiVinci surgery - Dr. Fagin (Austin) 5/19/2008
Post operative - pathology
pT2c NX MX
Gleason 3+4
Margins - negative
Extraprostatic extension - negative
seminal vesicle invasion - uninvolved

PSA <.04 7/12/2008

PSA <.01 10/30/2008

PSA <.01 4/03/2009

 


LV-TX
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   Posted 4/30/2009 10:55 AM (GMT -7)   
I haven't been on a bike since high school...but based on the way I felt in a car coming home after surgery with the minor bumps in the road...I would imagine that your friend won't feel up to riding for awhile. But at the same time after he feels up to it, I would encourage him...all part of the healing process if not overdone.

It heals the mental attitude inside when you are able to not let cancer and it's aftermath dictate what your life should be like. biker Jim is a good reminder of that for all of us here.
You are beating back cancer, so hold your head up with dignity
 
Les
 
Age 58 at Diagnosis
Oct 2006 - PSA 2.6 - DRE Normal
May 2008 - PSA 4.6 - DRE Normal / TRUS normal
July 2008 - Biopsy 4 of 12 Positive 5 - 30% Involved Bilateral w/PNI - Gleason (3+3)6 Stage T1C
Robotic Surgery Sept 18, 2008
Pathology October 1, 2008 - Gleason 7 (3+4) Staged pT2c NO MX - Gland 50 cc
Seminal Vesicles and Lymph Nodes clear
Positive Margins Right Posterior Lobe
PSA 5 week Oct 2008 <.05
                   3 month Jan 2009 .06
                   6 month April 2009 .06


Doting Daughter
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   Posted 4/30/2009 1:57 PM (GMT -7)   
My dad rides a Harley and I can understand the fear of trying to keep him off of it. Our only saving grace was that his surgery was the end of August and the winter months were fast approaching. I know he did sneak in a couple of rides, but I believe it was after 10 weeks and I know they were short. I am trying to remember back, I know he went on a week long ride with a friend up into Idaho and it was either right before the surgery once he was completely healed. I think it was very therapeutic and much needed. Maybe you should offer him a free weekend or week long ride prior to the surgery if he agrees to stay off for the dr's recommend time. Good luck!!!
Father's Age 62 (now 63)
Original Gleason 3+4=7, Post-Op Gleason- 4+3=7,
DaVinci Surgery Aug 31, 2007
Focally Positive Right Margin, One positive node. T3a N1 M0.
Bone Scan/CT Negative (Sept. 10, 2007)
Oct. 17 PSA 0.07
Nov. 13 PSA 0.05
Casodex adm. Nov 07, Lupron beg. Dec 03, 2007 2 yrs
Radiation March 03-April 22, 2008- 8 weeks 5x a week
July 2, 08 PSA <.02
Oct. 10, 08 PSA <.02
Praying for a cured dad.

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Ironman1600
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Total Posts : 44
   Posted 4/30/2009 6:40 PM (GMT -7)   

Dear Mean Mommy,

I have been reading and learning from this site for one year tonight.  This is my one year anniversary of prostate surgery and there is no better prostate cancer site on line anywhere and the intelligence and passion this group portrays is absolutely outstanding.  I'm sorry you are here but you can make a difference.  I have no doubt that through the thoughts and considerations expressed on this site, my grandchildren will not have to consider what we have had to go through as little as ten years down the road.

I am an avid cruiser rider and was on my heavy weight cruiser 6 weeks after surgery.  Motorcycle riding to pure mental health and I am sure you will agree after going through diagnosis, surgery and recovery, it is time for the mind to be at peace.  If it hurts, don't ride.  If it doesn't then enjoy one of God's pleasures.  Simple as that.

For me it was easy to enjoy what I thought I could handle and believe me whether you ride a bike or fly an airplane, if you enjoy it you need to get back to it as soon as you can.  Today I am cured, tomorrow I may have an issue, but Pca is not going to decrease my enjoyment of life.  I still do not know what I will be when I grow up, but it's not waiting for my next doctor’s appointment. 

For me getting back in the saddle reinforced the fact that I was alive and I am going to beat this!  My beautiful wife of 41 years does not like to ride but she knows how much I enjoy my motorcycle and encourages me to seek peace.  Give your boyfriend a chance; he will know what’s right for both of you.

 

Age 61 at diagnosis

PSA Jan 2006 2.8, PSA Jan 2007 3.7, PSA Jan 2008 4.4

DRE Normal, Biopsy positive 1 core in 10,

Clinical T1C, Pre surgery Gleason 3+4=7

Bone scans Normal, Cat Scan Normal

da Vinci robotic Surgery April 30, 2008, Fremont Nebraska

Post surgery Gleason 3+4=7, Pathological P2C

Lymph nodes clear, Margins clear

Hospital stay 2-days, Catheter out 10 days

1-pad a day for 3 weeks

Back at work 7-days after surgery, desk job

Both Nerves spared, 100% with assistance of sildenafil citrate

Post 3 month PSA-undetectable, Post 9 month PSA-undetectable


DanaA
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   Posted 4/30/2009 7:02 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks again for the time in replying. I'm struggling with fears and when the one doctor said he thought it was a bad idea, I heard that a lot louder than the other lady saying after 4 weeks it's ok. The caring and support of everyone here is so helpful.
 
Deepest thanks,
 
Dana
SO diagnosed 4/15/09 age 47
PSA 10
Right side= Gleason 4+4=7, 40% involved, 5 out of 6 cores positive, perineural invasion present
Left side+ Gleason 4+4=8, 60% involved, 5 out of 6 cores positive, no perineural invasion present
T2c


biker90
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   Posted 4/30/2009 8:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey Dana,

Let him enjoy the ride, he's earned it. Just tell him that if that hawg falls over, don't try to pick it up...

Jim
Age 74. Diagnosed 11/03/06. PSA 7.05. Stage T2C Gleason 3+3.
RRP 12/7/06. Nerves and nodes okay.
Catheter out on 12/13/06. Dry on 12/14/06.
Pathological stage: T2C N0 MX. Gleason 3+4.
50 mg Viagra + .04 cc Trimix = Excellent Results
PSAs from 1/3/07 - 7/17/08 0.00.
PSA on 1/28/09 - 0.02
Lung cancer dxed on 5/16/08. Surgery on 6/25/08 T1N1M0 - Stage IIA Finished 4 cycles of chemo on 11/7/08.
CT scans on 12/2/08 & 2/25/09 - in remission!!!
Next scan in May 09.
Biker90's Journey
http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/jimrobinson
"Patience is essential, attitude is everything."


Dirtmover
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Date Joined Apr 2008
Total Posts : 158
   Posted 4/30/2009 9:38 PM (GMT -7)   
IM WITH IRON MAN..... NOT ONLY DO I RIDE THERE IS A CERTAIN SENCE OF NORMALCY THAT YOUR BOYFRIEND CAN RELATE TO ,ONCE HE GETS ON THAT SCOOTER AGAIN ,I HAVE A 03 ROADKING CLASSIC AND IT IS NO GARAGE QUEEN,I THINK IT WAS 6 OR 8 WEEKS BEFRE I COULD RIDE AGEAIN, AND AFTER ALL ID BEEN THROUGH ,,THAT BIKE AND AND I TOGETHER WAS THE FIRST REAL FEELING OF ,,,,,,,,,,,,IVE MADE IT ...... WAS EXACTLY WHAT I FELT HE WILL KNOW WHEN ITS TIME ,,IF IT HURTS DONT DO IT IN THE BEGINNING I COULD ONLY GO 3 TO 8 MILE  A WEEK LATER IT WAS BETTER ,,,,,,,,,,,,,HE WILL KNOW.................DIRT yeah
Diagnosed November 2007   (43 years old )
PSA 3.9 / Gleason 6 / TC1 6 cores 1 shows 25%
Sugery scheduled 5/29/08 - City of Hope - Dr. Mark Kawachi
 "First show of the day"
 and now for the new ive been waiting for
 FINAL PATH REPORT:gleason upgraded to 3+4 T2c bilateral disease,tumor involvment 5%
extra prostatic extention:absent
seminal vesical invasion :absent
pathological staging:pTNM pT2 ORGAN CONFINED
margins free of carcinoma
usable erections ;6-6-08 with little blue pill
continence; 1 pad a day, dry at night
continence a non issue at 10weeks


Jake T
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Total Posts : 44
   Posted 5/1/2009 6:17 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi, my surgeon mentioned no riding for 6 weeks, i had my robotic surgery last Thursday, i would wait the 6 weeks and like ironman mentioned if it hurts don't do it. I am in New York and could not wait for the winter to end, but after being dx in March did not do any riding before surgery. As you know, days and weeks fly by, and before you know it, the surgery and next 6 week will pass by, best wishes. Jake


Age 56,
DRE 12/22/08 PSA 1/09 3.4 PSA 2/09 3.8
Biopsy 3/9/09 3 out of 12 positive
one core 80% one 40% one 2%
Gleason 6 Cat Scan Neg.
di vinci robotic surgery at Mount Sinai NY 4/23/09
both nerves spared
margins and nodes clear
catheter out in 7 days 4/30/09

Bluenose
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Date Joined May 2008
Total Posts : 260
   Posted 5/1/2009 7:16 AM (GMT -7)   

 

 I'm with the Ironman as well, well said man.......Biker and Dirt, you guys are right on too.

 Dana, gotta' take the chance, like Bike said, he's earned it. He'll know if he can or not...


 
  age: 53 @ Dx, Pre-op PSA Feb 08' 5.0, April 08' 4.1
  Biopsy 5.1.08, 5 of 15 cores postive, T2a, Gleason 3+4=7
  DaVinci performed 7.29.08
  Bladder sling installed, umbilical hernia repaired during surgery.
  Path report, "cancer fully contained, margins clear".
  Cath removed 8.8.08, ED therapy begins 8.9.08
  100mg Viagra three times a week, pump for ten minutes daily
  and hold for ten minutes.
  8.16.08 switched to Levitra 20mg, immediate results
  9.15.08 Pad free at night, one thin (light) pad during the day
  9.18.08 1st Post-op PSA Undetectable Zero's....Yes!
  12.22.08 2nd Post-op PSA  Zero's still...
  Pads gone 1.3.09, finally found the courage...Thanks ya'll
          ".....tryin' to reason with hurricane season...."
       


califlostnspace
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Date Joined Jan 2009
Total Posts : 51
   Posted 5/1/2009 4:59 PM (GMT -7)   
I am a little over 4 months out from my RBB surgery.  about two weeks ago I rode my mountain bike that has a smallish seat, no problems.  about 9 weeks out from my surgery I was riding big heavy Police Road King Harleys that have the solo saddle seat with an air bladder that supports the seat with no problems.  I also have a Honda XR650L dual sport bike that has a narrow seat but I have not been on that yet.  let him ride if he wants to, it put me in a better state of mind to be able to ride again.



6'3"
205 lbs.
age at diagnosis:  51
diagnosed summer of 08
no symptoms
PSA  4.4
bone scan was normal
Radical Robotic Prostatectomy done with Da Vinci at UCSF on 12/23/08 by Dr. Peter Carroll
catheter removed 1/7/09
my local urologist referred me to a urologist at UCSF for the Da Vanci operation mainly because I had two
mesh panels in lower abdomen due to 2 hernia repairs 12 and 16 years ago
3 weeks post op I get a path report:   
 Your pathology results looked great.  Your final tumor grade was a Gleason 3+3, which was the same as your biospy grade.  The tumor did not extend outside of the prostate and all surgical resecetion margins were negative (meaning no tumor left behind).  The tumor did not involve the seminal vesicles.
Basically, the pathology is about as good as we could have hoped for.
8 weeks post op had first PSA test, result was <.01


IdahoSurvivor
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   Posted 5/3/2009 7:22 PM (GMT -7)   
Ride on!

tongue

Barry ~ (a.k.a. "Idaho")

 

Da Vinci Surgery July 31, 2007… 54 on surgery day
PSA 4.3  Gleason 3+3=6  T2a  Confined to Prostate

1st PSA  09/11/2007  <0.04 (undetectable)

2nd PSA 12/10/2007  <0.04

3rd PSA  03/17/2008  <0.04

4th PSA  06/17/2008  <0.04

5th PSA  12/15/2008  <0.04

My web site: http://pca-info.blogspot.com


Purgatory
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Total Posts : 25353
   Posted 5/3/2009 7:42 PM (GMT -7)   
All this talk about motorcycles makes me wish I still had my 2004 Triumph Sprint ST, sold it one year before my PC dx, totally unrelated. After my open surgery, there is no way I could have sat on a bike or even wanted to for at least the first two months, it was hard enough getting comfortable in a nice car seat or sofa at home, but hey, each of us is different.

David in SC
Age 56, 56 at DX, PSA 7/7 5.8, 7/8 12.3,9/8 14.5
3rd Biopsy Sept 08: Positive 7 of 7 cores, 40-90%, Gleason 7, 4+3
Open RP surgery 11/14/8, Right nerves spared, 4 days hospital, staples out 11/24/8, 5th cath out on 1/19/9
Post-surgery Pathlogy Report:Gleason 3+4=7, pT2c, 42 grm, tumor 20%, Contained in capsular, clear margins, clear lymph nodes 
First PSA Post Surgery   2/9 .05, 6 month on 5/9
 
 

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