a few questions on diet

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   Posted 5/8/2009 1:38 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi all, been reading a little on diet and PCa and am clear on a few things but not on others. I am a weight lifter and take some supplements. I have read that animal fat and dairy products are real bad for PCa. Does anyone know if whey protein ( without fat) is a problem? It is a dairy product but I couldn't find any specific info on it. I also take creatine (in cycles) which is found in red meat but again, no animal fat. Just wondering if anyone knows. I would hate to give up a sport I like so much and the nutritional science that goes with it. yeah I am aware that lifting heavy weights probably increases testosterone levels but my levels are right in the middle and I am not going there just yet if you know what i mean  thanks...........bob
Age 57
PSA 3.5
Gleason 4+3=7 1 core 30%
           3+3=6 1 core 50%
Pathologists at MD anderson concur with original path report
 DRE negative          
CAT scan clear
Bone scan showed some uptake.   MRI shows no metastisis ( I dodged that one I hope)
endorectal MRI scheduled at MD anderson shortly
Meeting with MD Anderson Proton center docs shortly
Meeting with LLUMC proton center docs shortly
Other options are all under consideration

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   Posted 5/8/2009 6:28 AM (GMT -6)   
The main culprit seems to be fat. So I think you are OK. But, please bear in mind, peripheral things like this do not cause cancer. There is a huge amount of genetics involved and then no one knows what triggers the onset of cancer. A Healthy lifestyle that includes a well rounded diet without a preponderance of fat is about all that can be demanded of anyone. Some guys swear by the Mediterranean diet and it certainly will do no harm. But don't give up your sport based on this. Proteins are not the problem. Lift away.
46 at Diagnosis.
Father died of Pca 4/07 at 86.
1/06 PSA 3.15
1/07 PSA 4.6 (Biopsy 3/07 just suspicious)
10/07 PSA 5.06 (Biopsy 11/07 1 of 12 with 8% involvment) (1mm)
Da Vinci surgery Jan 5, '08 at Mt. Sinai Hosp. NYC www.roboticoncology.com
Saved both nerve bundles.
Path Report: Stage T2cNxMx
-Gleason (3+3)6
-totally contained to prostate,
-10% involvement in L & R Mid lobes
PSA 0 at nine months.
Pad free on March 14 - (10 weeks.) Never a problem since.
ED - Took 100mg viagra every night. for several months
Totally usable erections at 10 weeks, which disappeared over the course of a month or two.
ED bounce is what they call it. Now, at one year, ED is fine with viagra.
One year PSA - undectable!

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   Posted 5/8/2009 7:58 AM (GMT -6)   
all the healthy dietary things you mentioned can only help your general health. exercise and sports will always improve your body and strength and endurance, another good thing.

it is common with a cancer dx to get focused on these items, as they are things that are under your control.

but cancer is a fickled creature. there is no direct 100% connection that is provable, that eating poorly or eating right would stop someone from getting or not getting cancer.

we have men here that are physical specimens of health and men that are morbidly obsese that get the same dose of PC.

it is never wrong to eat and exercise correctly, it's never right to deiberertly make a wreck out of your health - bad eating, smoking, heavy drinking, etc. Not being judgmental, just stating medical sense.

So keep doing what feel is right in those areas, and I hope you do well with your future treatment.

David in SC
Age 56, 56 at DX, PSA 7/7 5.8, 7/8 12.3,9/8 14.5
3rd Biopsy Sept 08: Positive 7 of 7 cores, 40-90%, Gleason 7, 4+3
Open RP surgery 11/14/8, Right nerves spared, 4 days hospital, staples out 11/24/8, 5th cath out on 1/19/9
Post-surgery Pathlogy Report:Gleason 3+4=7, pT2c, 42 grm, tumor 20%, Contained in capsular, clear margins, clear lymph nodes 
First PSA Post Surgery   2/9 .05, 6 month on 5/9

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Date Joined Feb 2009
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   Posted 5/8/2009 9:30 AM (GMT -6)   

Hi rsilver,

There are no 100% agreed upon studies that show one way or the other and everyone has to decide which diet to believe in and follow.

However if you read The China study book  http://www.thechinastudy.com/about.html, you will see the results of extensive studies that show that animal protein (including casein as found in milk) is the main culprit for cancer and the other western health problems. Even following a no meat/no dairy diet, you can still have up to 5% of your calories coming from animal protein, so your supplements can fit the bill.

Best of luck

Age at DX: 43
PSA: 11/08:15.6, 01/09:16.6, 02/09:17.1
Biopsy 12/08 at USF Tampa
8/12 cores positive, GS 3+3,
perineural invasion in 2 cores
Staged T1c
CT, Bone, XRay negative
03/04/09 - Open Surgery at Johns Hopkins by Dr Patrick Walsh
Path Report: GS 6, Tumor Contained, margin clears, nodes+vesicles clean
Both nerves spared,
Catheter Out: 03/18/09
Incontinence : Resolved from day one, cant believe it
ED : some signs of life
Diet : Vegetarian, No-meat, no dairy diet since 01/09

New Member

Date Joined Mar 2009
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   Posted 5/8/2009 7:21 PM (GMT -6)   
thanks everyone, that sounds great! Nasso, I will check out the china study, I have read some reviews and it seems to make a lot of sense. glad to know I can still lift heavy and take some supplements. BTW, nasso, great results on your surgery. What an opportunity to get Walsh to do it. I think the stats on surgery would be way different if guys like him did all the surgery. No disrespect to anyone else. thanks.........bob

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   Posted 5/9/2009 2:38 AM (GMT -6)   
I personally don't think it makes a darn of difference what you eat or drink in regard to causing Pca, I was in best of health, eating a Mediterranean diet, not overwieght etc. and still got Pca, I even see some people on this forum, changing thier diet after they were DX, some even hoping that a change in diet will slow the growth of tumour, I have yet to see a link between diet and Pca, scientists have for years been trying to find the cause, the closest suspicion is vasectomy, the diet field is very unclear.

Just my opinion. Regards Mal.
age 67 PSA 5.8 DRE slightly firm Rt
Biopsy 2nd July 07 5 out of 12 positive
Gleason 3+4=7 right side tumour adenocarcinoma stage T2a
RP on 30th July,

Post op Pathology, tumour stage T3a 4+3=7, microcsopic evidence of capsular penetration, seminal vessels, bladder neck, free of tumour, lymph nodes clear, no evidence of metastatic malignancy, tumour does not extend to the apical margins.

Post op PSA 0.5 26th Sept.

PSA 23rd Oct.0.5 seeing Radiation Onocologist 31st Oct.

Started radiation treatment on 5th Dec, to continue until 24 Jan. 08.
Finished treatment, next PSA on 30th April.
PSA 30th April 0.4
PSA 30th July 0.5
PSA 27th Oct 0.4 (I am now 68)
PSA 11th March 0.5

John T
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Date Joined Nov 2008
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   Posted 5/10/2009 8:26 PM (GMT -6)   
If there were no connection between diet and PC then why do all the top prostate oncologists, like Strum, Meyers, Liebowitz, and others have diet as a significant part of their program. These are the guys who know more about PC than other doctors and treat thousands of patients.
My onco said that if someone told him 10 years ago that diet had an affect on PC he would have dismissed them out of hand. After seing too many patients on "weird" diets have their PC slowed or stoped, he could not ignore diet anymore. He practices what he preaches and is on a non meat and dairy lifestyle.
You are entitled to your beliefs, but the evidence supporting PC and diet is very strong.
There are a lot of people that get lung cancer that never smoked, still the evidence that smoking causes lung cancer is well accepted.

64 years old.

I had an initial PSA test in 1999 of 4.4. PSA increased every 6 months reaching 40 in 5-08. PSA free ranged from 16% to 10%. Over this time period I had a total of 13 biopsies and an endorectal MRIS all negative and have seen doctors at Long Beach, UCLA, UCSF and UCI. DX has always been BPH and continue to get biopsies every year.

In 10-08 I had a 25 core biopsy that showed 2 cores positive, gleason 6 at less than 5%. Surgery was recommended and I was in the process of interviewing surgeons when my wife's oncologist recommended I get a 2nd opinion from a prostate oncologist.

I saw Dr Sholtz, in Marina Del Rey, and he said that the path reports indicated no tumor, but indolant cancer clusters that didn't need any treatment. He was concerned that my PSA history indicated that I had a large amount of PC somewhere that had yet to be uncovered and put me through several more tests.

A color doppler targeted biopsy in 11-08 found a large tumor in the transition zone, gleason 6 and 7. Because of my high PSA Dr. suspected lymph node involvement, 30% chance, and sent me to Holland for a Combidex MRI, even though bone and CT scans were clear.

Combidex MRI showed clear lymph nodes and a 2,5 cm tumor in the anterior. I was his 1st patient to come up clear on the Combidex which has a 96% accuracy,

I've been on a no meat and dairy diet since 12-08 and PSA reduce to 30 while I awaited the Combidex MRI.

The location of the tumor in the anterior apex next to the urethea makes a good surgical margin very unlikely. Currently on Casodex and Proscar for 8 weeks to shrink my 60 mm prostate. Treatment will be seeds followed by 5 weeks of IMRT while continuing on Casodex and Proscar. So far no side affects from the Casodex.

As of April 10 and 7 weeks on Casodex and Proscar PSA has gone from 30 to 0.62 and protate from 60mm to 32mm. Very minor side affects. Doc says all this indicates tumor is not aggessive

Awaiting schedule for seed impants


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