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Dandapani
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   Posted 5/11/2009 4:37 PM (GMT -6)   
What specific products are available for the follow on the Depends Male Guards? They work very well, but at this stage in my journey to continence (is that a word?), they are a bit much.

What specific (name names) products are you gentlemen using? Not just a "panty liner" but which one?

TIA!
Dan

PC diagnosis @ 53 YO
PSA: 3.4 - 3.7 for preceeding 10 years, new GP advised Urologist visit

09/18/08 12 plug biopsy
09/29/08 PC diagnosis, 1 of 12 plugs, 5% cancer, Gleason 3+3 (6), left side plug w/cancer
12/17/08 da Vinci robotic radical prostatectomy, lab confirmed biopsy, 5%, PIN rest of prostrate, negative margins
12/29/08 catheter removed
03/24/09 1st PSA blood draw, < 0.1% "undetectable"

current status: 1 pad/day, dry overnight; however, total ED


pa69
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Total Posts : 260
   Posted 5/11/2009 7:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Dandapani,

I've been using CVS Guards for men, superabsorbency. There is also a regular absorbency version available. In addition, I also wear Afex Incontinence Management System underwear when I expect to be very active.

Bob
Age 69, First ever PSA 7.8 taken June 2008, Biopsy July 2008, 10 of 12 cores positive, Gleason 3+3=6
da Vinci surgery December 10, 2008, catheter removed December 29 2008
St. Lukes Hospital, Bethlehem, Pa.
Dr. Frank Tamarkin

Prostate weight 73.0 grams, Gleason 3+3=6, stage pT3a
Tumor locations: right anterior apex, right posterior apex to mid
left anterior mid to base, left posterior apex to mid
extensive perineural invasion in right anterior apex, right and left posterior apex to mid
seminal vesicles negative

First post PSA < .1 Jan 16 2009
Second post PSA < .1 Apr 17 2009


mountain top high
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   Posted 5/11/2009 7:14 PM (GMT -6)   

I used to use the Depends male pads but they got to be too much for me too. Now I use my wife's Always Overnight Ultra-thin with Flexi Wings. Women have those things figured out. The men's pads would sometimes shift, attach to the hair inside your thigh, and then rip it off when you'd move (difficult to keep that on the down-low when you're in a meeting at work). The wings on these things keep that from happening.

Never knew after years and years of telling my wife to write down exactly what kind of pads she needed at the store, that I would be looking for them for myself someday.  ;-)


Mountain Top High, Age 43
PSA 1.6 (2006), 1.9 (2007), 6.0 (6/2008), 3.9 (7/2008 after 30-day Cipro course)
8/08 biopsy--high grade PIN
11/08 biopsy--Dx (age 43), Gleason 7 (3+4), T1c
Da Vinci RP 2/9/09 (Dr. Abaza, Head of Robotic Uro, James Cancer Center @ Ohio State)
Path--PCa 9%, 39.5 grams, T2c, contained in capsule, margins & lymph nodes clear
Catheter 1 week, no nighttime incontinence
Through 6 wks out: 4-5 male pads/day; 7-11 weeks 1-2 pads/day with regular ab/core exercises; since 11 weeks one mini-pad/day
Complete ED, pump twice daily, fought with insurance for Viagra, ordered from alldaychemist instead, 4/23/09 started 100mg nightly, then insurance covered it


Ralph Alfalfa
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Total Posts : 469
   Posted 5/11/2009 7:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi, Dandapani

Ditto the above, except that I found that the super-absorbent ones made me pretty warm and caused a lot of itching. Yes, I do shower regularly. I opted for a double application of liners, side by side, in case the little varmint strayed from one side to the other. I don't know the volume you're producing, but if you think it's not that much, give it a go.
Bob
 AGE:57
 Dx: October,27(the day after my birthday)
 Psa 14.5
 Gleason:(4+3) 7 T1c
 Bone scan:Negative
 Cat scan: Negative
 Biopsy: 4 of 12 positive, left side, pre-cancerous on the right.
 Confined to prostate.
 DaVinci Jan. 19th, No lymph node involvement, all margins clear.
 8 week PSa <0.01
 Gleason downgraded to (3+4)7
 Fully continent...ED progressing as expected.


Dandapani
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   Posted 5/11/2009 7:31 PM (GMT -6)   
I am very light at this stage. I still have some Guards left, but as others have pointed out they are pretty bulky and in the heat of FL spring are getting a but much. Before I'm out of the Guards, I'd like to switch over to a thinner pad so am looking for the next alternative.

So far, a specific recommendation is: Always Overnight Ultra-thin with Flexi Wings

Keep them coming! Thanks!
Dan

PC diagnosis @ 53 YO
PSA: 3.4 - 3.7 for preceeding 10 years, new GP advised Urologist visit

09/18/08 12 plug biopsy
09/29/08 PC diagnosis, 1 of 12 plugs, 5% cancer, Gleason 3+3 (6), left side plug w/cancer
12/17/08 da Vinci robotic radical prostatectomy, lab confirmed biopsy, 5%, PIN rest of prostrate, negative margins
12/29/08 catheter removed
03/24/09 1st PSA blood draw, < 0.1% "undetectable"

current status: 1 pad/day, dry overnight; however, total ED


Dandapani
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Total Posts : 62
   Posted 5/11/2009 7:33 PM (GMT -6)   
pa69 said...
Hi Dandapani,

I've been using CVS Guards for men, superabsorbency. There is also a regular absorbency version available. In addition, I also wear Afex Incontinence Management System underwear when I expect to be very active.

Bob


Bob, that's quite a system (AIMS). http://www.elderstore.com/afex-incontinence-management-system.aspx

I definitely don't need that at this stage. Good luck to you.
Dan

PC diagnosis @ 53 YO
PSA: 3.4 - 3.7 for preceeding 10 years, new GP advised Urologist visit

09/18/08 12 plug biopsy
09/29/08 PC diagnosis, 1 of 12 plugs, 5% cancer, Gleason 3+3 (6), left side plug w/cancer
12/17/08 da Vinci robotic radical prostatectomy, lab confirmed biopsy, 5%, PIN rest of prostrate, negative margins
12/29/08 catheter removed
03/24/09 1st PSA blood draw, < 0.1% "undetectable"

current status: 1 pad/day, dry overnight; however, total ED


NRC
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   Posted 5/11/2009 10:17 PM (GMT -6)   
I cut the Depends pad in half, with the cut end taped over with adhesive tape, and used the half pad the same way I used a whole pad. There's enough adhesive on the back of the pad to stick it to the underwear and keep it from moving. As things progressed, I used a one third of a pad the same way. That cut down on the bulk of a whole pad and was enough protection as I went through the healing process.

Neil

Bluenose
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Total Posts : 260
   Posted 5/12/2009 6:52 AM (GMT -6)   

 

  "Poise"....ultra-lites, as I remember..


 
  age: 53 @ Dx, Pre-op PSA Feb 08' 5.0, April 08' 4.1
  Biopsy 5.1.08, 5 of 15 cores postive, T2a, Gleason 3+4=7
  DaVinci performed 7.29.08
  Bladder sling installed, umbilical hernia repaired during surgery.
  Path report, "cancer fully contained, margins clear".
  Cath removed 8.8.08, ED therapy begins 8.9.08
  100mg Viagra three times a week, pump for ten minutes daily
  and hold for ten minutes.
  8.16.08 switched to Levitra 20mg, immediate results
  9.15.08 Pad free at night, one thin (light) pad during the day
  9.18.08 1st Post-op PSA Undetectable Zero's....Yes!
  12.22.08 2nd Post-op PSA  Zero's still...
  Pads gone 1.3.09, finally found the courage...Thanks ya'll
          ".....tryin' to reason with hurricane season...."
       


Purgatory
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   Posted 5/12/2009 7:34 AM (GMT -6)   
Towards the end of my recovery, I was using the Poise ultra lites too. The regular Men's depends were way too much almost from the start. When I was using pull ups for night time peace of mind, there's was no doubt that the real Depends fit the best. I bought some CVS ones that were half the price on sale, they gapped and were always uncomfortable, not convinced they would have worked correctly had they been needed.

David in SC
Age 56, 56 at DX, PSA 7/7 5.8, 7/8 12.3,9/8 14.5
3rd Biopsy Sept 08: Positive 7 of 7 cores, 40-90%, Gleason 7, 4+3
Open RP surgery 11/14/8, Right nerves spared, 4 days hospital, staples out 11/24/8, 5th cath out on 1/19/9
Post-surgery Pathlogy Report:Gleason 3+4=7, pT2c, 42 grm, tumor 20%, Contained in capsular, clear margins, clear lymph nodes 
First PSA Post Surgery   2/9 .05, 5/9 .10 doubled in 3 months, new test in six weeks, then possibly off for salvage radiation
 
 


Dandapani
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Total Posts : 62
   Posted 5/12/2009 4:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Bluenose said...
"Poise"....ultra-lites, as I remember..


These? http://www.drugstore.com/qxp85827_333181_sespider/poise/ultra_thins_light.htm

"Poise Ultra Thins"?
Dan

PC diagnosis @ 53 YO
PSA: 3.4 - 3.7 for preceeding 10 years, new GP advised Urologist visit

09/18/08 12 plug biopsy
09/29/08 PC diagnosis, 1 of 12 plugs, 5% cancer, Gleason 3+3 (6), left side plug w/cancer
12/17/08 da Vinci robotic radical prostatectomy, lab confirmed biopsy, 5%, PIN rest of prostrate, negative margins
12/29/08 catheter removed
03/24/09 1st PSA blood draw, < 0.1% "undetectable"

current status: 1 pad/day, dry overnight; however, total ED


Bluenose
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Total Posts : 260
   Posted 5/12/2009 8:35 PM (GMT -6)   

 

   Yep', Ultra thins.....those would be the ones. I too as Bob stated would once in a while use two side by side, depending on what I was doing........it looks as though you'll be throwing those things away soon anyway......Good luck brother.


 
  age: 53 @ Dx, Pre-op PSA Feb 08' 5.0, April 08' 4.1
  Biopsy 5.1.08, 5 of 15 cores postive, T2a, Gleason 3+4=7
  DaVinci performed 7.29.08
  Bladder sling installed, umbilical hernia repaired during surgery.
  Path report, "cancer fully contained, margins clear".
  Cath removed 8.8.08, ED therapy begins 8.9.08
  100mg Viagra three times a week, pump for ten minutes daily
  and hold for ten minutes.
  8.16.08 switched to Levitra 20mg, immediate results
  9.15.08 Pad free at night, one thin (light) pad during the day
  9.18.08 1st Post-op PSA Undetectable Zero's....Yes!
  12.22.08 2nd Post-op PSA  Zero's still...
  Pads gone 1.3.09, finally found the courage...Thanks ya'll
          ".....tryin' to reason with hurricane season...."
       


califguy
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Date Joined Sep 2008
Total Posts : 72
   Posted 5/12/2009 11:11 PM (GMT -6)   
I had good success with Tena Male guards from Rite Aid. They are triangular shaped so they fit in the front of a pair of briefs. They were more than a feminine pad but a whole lot less than the brief type disposables. I never could seem to find them at other stores. They were great until I could switch to the pantiliner type.

It is the top item in this link:

http://www.tena.us/Men/Products/Product-range/


Don't get discouraged!!
CalifGuy
 
Diagnosed Feb 2008  54 years old
3+4=7 gleason
7.5 PSA
4 out of 20 biopsies were cancerous
daVinci Robotic surgery July 24, 2008  Univ of Calif San Francisco Med Center  Dr Peter Carroll
In hospital 2 nights altho I had option of leaving the next day but stayed due to distance home.
Contained in prostate, not spread
Six weeks post surgery PSA less than .01
Five month PSA less than 0.1  Lab did wrong type of PSA test so this test was not as accurate.
Eight Month PSA less than .01  Yeah!!!!1

Post Edited (califguy) : 5/12/2009 11:14:07 PM (GMT-6)


Dandapani
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   Posted 5/13/2009 3:59 AM (GMT -6)   
califguy said...
I had good success with Tena Male guards from Rite Aid. They are triangular shaped so they fit in the front of a pair of briefs. They were more than a feminine pad but a whole lot less than the brief type disposables. I never could seem to find them at other stores. They were great until I could switch to the pantiliner type.
It is the top item in this link:

http://www.tena.us/Men/Products/Product-range/


I forgot about those. I used those initially, but they weren't as absorbent as the Depends version. The are lighter, but not as light as a feminine pad.
Dan

PC diagnosis @ 53 YO
PSA: 3.4 - 3.7 for preceeding 10 years, new GP advised Urologist visit

09/18/08 12 plug biopsy
09/29/08 PC diagnosis, 1 of 12 plugs, 5% cancer, Gleason 3+3 (6), left side plug w/cancer
12/17/08 da Vinci robotic radical prostatectomy, lab confirmed biopsy, 5%, PIN rest of prostrate, negative margins
12/29/08 catheter removed
03/24/09 1st PSA blood draw, < 0.1% "undetectable"

current status: 1 pad/day, dry overnight; however, total ED


Wigs
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Total Posts : 89
   Posted 5/13/2009 12:19 PM (GMT -6)   
I am totally incontenent. I had been wearing disposable diapers with pads inside, going through as many as 4 diapers and 8 pads within a 24 hour period, and still sometimes wetting through my pants. Within the past two weeks, I have been using the Afex Incontinence system with much success. While it is not 100 % leak proof, I have figured out a way to reduce the possibility of wetting my pants. I take a disposable diaper and cut a hole just small enough for the neck of the reservoir to fit through. With gentle pressure, I am able to fit the recepticle into the diaper and into the underpants that come with the system and connect to the bag. The results are that what leakage there is, the diaper soaks it up and therfore not able to seep through to wet my pants. It is not recommended to sleep in this system; therefore I am still using disposable diapers and pads at night. I sit behind a desk at work, so when I stand up, the flooding that sometime would spill outside my diapers and pads now goes into the recepticle and into the bag.
Diagnosed @ age 47 - September 1997
PSA 5 / Gleason 3+3
Seed Implant - January 1998 @ Trident Hospital, SC
PSA 2.4 - July 2007
PSA 2.7 - July 2008
PSA 3.0 - November 2008
Diagnosed @ age 57 - December 2007
Gleason 4+3
Salvage Prostatectomy & Colostomy - March 2008 @ MSKCC, NY
Urethral-Rectal Fistula Repair - August 2008 @   Cleveland Clinic, OH
Colostomy Reversal - January 2009 @ Cleveland Clinic
Will have AUS implant - May 2009 @ Cleveland Clinic
 
 


Dandapani
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Total Posts : 62
   Posted 5/13/2009 5:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Wigs said...
I am totally incontenent. I had been wearing disposable diapers with pads inside, going through as many as 4 diapers and 8 pads within a 24 hour period, and still sometimes wetting through my pants. Within the past two weeks, I have been using the Afex Incontinence system with much success. While it is not 100 % leak proof, I have figured out a way to reduce the possibility of wetting my pants. I take a disposable diaper and cut a hole just small enough for the neck of the reservoir to fit through. With gentle pressure, I am able to fit the recepticle into the diaper and into the underpants that come with the system and connect to the bag. The results are that what leakage there is, the diaper soaks it up and therfore not able to seep through to wet my pants. It is not recommended to sleep in this system; therefore I am still using disposable diapers and pads at night. I sit behind a desk at work, so when I stand up, the flooding that sometime would spill outside my diapers and pads now goes into the recepticle and into the bag.


Wigs. "I was sad that I had no shoes, until I met a man that had no feet." God bless you, man. Thanks for your input.
Dan

PC diagnosis @ 53 YO
PSA: 3.4 - 3.7 for preceeding 10 years, new GP advised Urologist visit

09/18/08 12 plug biopsy
09/29/08 PC diagnosis, 1 of 12 plugs, 5% cancer, Gleason 3+3 (6), left side plug w/cancer
12/17/08 da Vinci robotic radical prostatectomy, lab confirmed biopsy, 5%, PIN rest of prostrate, negative margins
12/29/08 catheter removed
03/24/09 1st PSA blood draw, < 0.1% "undetectable"

current status: 1 pad/day, dry overnight; however, total ED


Wigs
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Date Joined Mar 2009
Total Posts : 89
   Posted 5/14/2009 1:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Dan,

Thank you for your kind words.
Diagnosed @ age 47 - September 1997
PSA 5 / Gleason 3+3
Seed Implant - January 1998 @ Trident Hospital, SC
PSA 2.4 - July 2007
PSA 2.7 - July 2008
PSA 3.0 - November 2008
Diagnosed @ age 57 - December 2007
Gleason 4+3
Salvage Prostatectomy & Colostomy - March 2008 @ MSKCC, NY
Urethral-Rectal Fistula Repair - August 2008 @   Cleveland Clinic, OH
Colostomy Reversal - January 2009 @ Cleveland Clinic
Will have AUS implant - May 2009 @ Cleveland Clinic
 
 


Dandapani
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   Posted 5/23/2009 8:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Been using the Poise Ultra Thins Light this past week. New dry pad weighs 8 grams. 24 hour pad weight been ranging 14-18 grams (6-10 grams gain), with a single "off" day of a 37 gram pad. Dunno what happened that day.

I've been cutting the pad in half and putting them side by side in my underwear per the recommendation above. Been working pretty well.

I was googling around and found a special mens cotton, reusable, brief that has a "pad" built in. The briefs are washable up to 200-250 times. I'm thinking when/if I taper off to near nill, I'll give these briefs a try.

www.metromedicalonline.com/weareverm3.html
Dan

PC diagnosis @ 53 YO
PSA: 3.4 - 3.7 for preceeding 10 years, new GP advised Urologist visit

09/18/08 12 plug biopsy
09/29/08 PC diagnosis, 1 of 12 plugs, 5% cancer, Gleason 3+3 (6), left side plug w/cancer
12/17/08 da Vinci robotic radical prostatectomy, lab confirmed biopsy, 5%, PIN rest of prostrate, negative margins
12/29/08 catheter removed
03/24/09 1st PSA blood draw, < 0.1% "undetectable"

current status: 1 pad/day, dry overnight; however, total ED


olslyfox
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Total Posts : 11
   Posted 5/24/2009 8:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Here ia repost for those it can help ... i had AUS put in Jan 2008

Posted 09 October 2007 15:29 Hide Post
I had my prostatectomy 2 months ago, and still have total incontinence. I am still hoping this will improve, but until then, UCDs are in order.

I am posting this in hope of helping others in my predicament.

I found out real quick that I do not like diapers of any kind ( too much liquid flowing, too much squishiness when sitting, and too much stinkiness).

My solutions to date:

Summer daytime wear when not sure about bathroom availability (golf course?): texas catheter, snugged up a little with stretch wrap and tape (just in hope of preventing backflow for a few hours), draining almost sideways into a disposable urine bag, supported (hung) by a shoestring from waistband of underwear (a jockstrap works well), with same shostring tied around thigh to hold it in place, then urine bag is folded upward in half, secured by a small strap.

This can be worn with knee length shorts, needs to be emptied every couple of hours, and has lasted for 24 hours, although I usually remove and clean it before bedtime.

Daytime when bathrooms are available: a CVS pharmacy male guard (pad), folded in half over the penis head, wrapped securely with a couple bands of tape (1 near the head, the other at the shaft base). I use painters tape from LOWE'S... a lot cheaper than Johnson and Johnson products.
The tape helps prevent leakage and pullout. Wear this with BRIEFS. The adhesive on the pad, and the tight fitting briefs, and the taped sheath all work to prevent pullout. I drink about 60 oz daily, and these pads last 2 to 3 hours (a stretch). I watch the clock and change every 2 hours ... very little odor, no squishiness when sitting, not noticeable through outer wear.

Nighttime : Same pads taped into a sheath, but instead of regular briefs, I wear Serenity Tena brief style underwear, in case overflow happens.
Overflow rarely happens for me ... I tend to retain some urine when laying down, and I will awake with an urge to go every 2 to 4 hours ... the sheath will be pretty full, and will be changed at this time.

While all these solutions probably won't work for everyone, maybe they will be helpful to some.

and an addendum:

I have recently been experimenting with the ALPHADRY condom system ... great results so far ... I wear it morning till bedtime, then switch to the Guards taped into a sheath w backup pull-up diaper briefs for sleeptime.

It's a condom with expandable bag attached directly; it all folds easily inside normal brief underwear.

See alphadry.com

At first glance, it seems pricey, but with 1 lasting 15 days, and me going through 10 pads in the daytime, it's actually cheaper. Also, more convenient than pads/sheaths etc., and although it's basically an external cath with urine bag , the compact configuration (no straps, no tubing) is a real PLUS!

RBinCountry
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Total Posts : 270
   Posted 5/26/2009 11:13 PM (GMT -6)   
I would never admit it to anyone but this forum - I am a Kotex lite liner guy. I have only very minimal leakage and have found them to keep me cool and dry.

Yes I know it is ridiculous, unmanly, but functional and cheap.

RB
Age 62
Original data - pre-operation
PSA: 5.1
T1C clinical diagnosis, Needle biopsy - 10 cores, Gleason 7 = 3+4 in 1 core (40%), 7 cores Gleason 6 = 3+3 ranging from 5% to 12%
All scans negative
Lupron administered 4/9/2008 for 4 months (with idea I would undergo external beam radiation followed by seed implants - then I changed my mind).
Robotic DiVinci surgery - Dr. Fagin (Austin) 5/19/2008
Post operative - pathology
pT2c NX MX
Gleason 3+4
Margins - negative
Extraprostatic extension - negative
seminal vesicle invasion - uninvolved

PSA <.04 7/12/2008

PSA <.01 10/30/2008

PSA <.01 4/03/2009

 


Dandapani
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Total Posts : 62
   Posted 5/27/2009 4:04 AM (GMT -6)   
RBinCountry said...
I would never admit it to anyone but this forum - I am a Kotex lite liner guy. I have only very minimal leakage and have found them to keep me cool and dry.

Yes I know it is ridiculous, unmanly, but functional and cheap.


We resort to using these women's products since the companies won't address our needs directly.

Another poster in another thread expressed this same sentiment.

I really like the Depends Male Guard, but wish it were made in a much lighter weight. But until there is an alternative, I'll continue to cut the women's Poise in half and stick the two halves side by side in my briefs. :)
Dan

PC diagnosis @ 53 YO
PSA: 3.4 - 3.7 for preceeding 10 years, new GP advised Urologist visit

09/18/08 12 plug biopsy
09/29/08 PC diagnosis, 1 of 12 plugs, 5% cancer, Gleason 3+3 (6), left side plug w/cancer
12/17/08 da Vinci robotic radical prostatectomy, lab confirmed biopsy, 5%, PIN rest of prostrate, negative margins
12/29/08 catheter removed
03/24/09 1st PSA blood draw, < 0.1% "undetectable"

current status: 1 pad/day, dry overnight; however, total ED

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