Open main menu ☰
HealingWell
Search Close Search
Health Conditions
Allergies Alzheimer's Disease Anxiety & Panic Disorders Arthritis Breast Cancer Chronic Illness Crohn's Disease Depression Diabetes
Fibromyalgia GERD & Acid Reflux Irritable Bowel Syndrome Lupus Lyme Disease Migraine Headache Multiple Sclerosis Prostate Cancer Ulcerative Colitis

View Conditions A to Z »
Support Forums
Anxiety & Panic Disorders Bipolar Disorder Breast Cancer Chronic Pain Crohn's Disease Depression Diabetes Fibromyalgia GERD & Acid Reflux
Hepatitis Irritable Bowel Syndrome Lupus Lyme Disease Multiple Sclerosis Ostomies Prostate Cancer Rheumatoid Arthritis Ulcerative Colitis

View Forums A to Z »
Log In
Join Us
Close main menu ×
  • Home
  • Health Conditions
    • All Conditions
    • Allergies
    • Alzheimer's Disease
    • Anxiety & Panic Disorders
    • Arthritis
    • Breast Cancer
    • Chronic Illness
    • Crohn's Disease
    • Depression
    • Diabetes
    • Fibromyalgia
    • GERD & Acid Reflux
    • Irritable Bowel Syndrome
    • Lupus
    • Lyme Disease
    • Migraine Headache
    • Multiple Sclerosis
    • Prostate Cancer
    • Ulcerative Colitis
  • Support Forums
    • All Forums
    • Anxiety & Panic Disorders
    • Bipolar Disorder
    • Breast Cancer
    • Chronic Pain
    • Crohn's Disease
    • Depression
    • Diabetes
    • Fibromyalgia
    • GERD & Acid Reflux
    • Hepatitis
    • Irritable Bowel Syndrome
    • Lupus
    • Lyme Disease
    • Multiple Sclerosis
    • Ostomies
    • Prostate Cancer
    • Rheumatoid Arthritis
    • Ulcerative Colitis
  • Log In
  • Join Us
Join Us
☰
Forum Home| Forum Rules| Moderators| Active Topics| Help| Log In

Rising PSA

Support Forums
>
Prostate Cancer
✚ New Topic ✚ Reply
❬ ❬ Previous Thread |Next Thread ❭ ❭
profile picture
ac1940
New Member
Joined : Jan 2009
Posts : 5
Posted 6/13/2009 4:20 PM (GMT -8)
Dxd in 2002 (age 62) with PSA of 42.7 and Gleason of 7 (4+3). Started Lupron/Casodex 11/02 and radiation in 2/03 got PSA down to less than .01 quickly so was able to stop my Hormone treatment after two years. PSA started to slowly rise about 2006 and when reached the 7-8 mark started back on Lupron/Casodex and got it back down to 1.7 in early 2008 so stopped treatment. In two months PSA started rising rapidly so in June 2008 started back on Lupron/Casodex but couldn't stop the rise. Stopped Casodex around Sept 2008 but PSA continued to rise and last count in April was 20.7. Any one have tis type of situation and if so how did you treat it? All Bone  and CT Scans show no signs of cancer.

Al

profile picture
sterd82
Regular Member
Joined : Sep 2006
Posts : 187
Posted 6/13/2009 7:06 PM (GMT -8)
Haven't been in your shoes, but keep up the fight! I know a guy who stopped responding to HT and his PSA stated to rise---he got on a clincial trial for MDV-3100, and his PSA dropped back down. Its not approved yet, but maybe try to find an open trial?

Good luck!
profile picture
zufus
Veteran Member
Joined : Dec 2008
Posts : 3149
Posted 6/14/2009 2:47 AM (GMT -8)

You could try the second  line hormone therapies:  estradiol patches, DES, emcyt  (they can work against hrpca and cause direct apoptosis of PCa cells...probably won't get them all but is useful) or ketoconazole is another drug that works (how long on anything is the biggest question) and there are others. Estradiol patches have little or no side effects and DES in much safer that the alot of the b.s. that is thrown out there about using such.(just use 1 mg or even less-could be cut it in half and use coumadin in conjunction). The old days decades ago the well meaning medical idiots used 5-mg and no blood thinner or aspirin and a few patients got blood clots, this is what everyone remembers. They don't mention their successes using this and very good control for thousands of patients, while using this for decades before the expensive newer (better?) drugs came out.

I have used DES for 2 yrs., sometimes on/off, sometimes maybe randomly, it outperformed the ADT3, it canceled those ADT side effects and the only issue I ever felt was some breat tenderness. It cost almost nothing (no patents, no drug companies...it is man made compounded drug). If you were paranoid about using this, then use the estradiol patch it also works similarly (same family of drugs), people say they have no side effects, except maybe the breast tenderness. Dr. Premoli in Argentina uses the patches on his patients, they don't have mega bucks and insurance companies to send the thousands of dollars to.

Dr. Fred Lee the pioneer doc of cryo-freezing PCa methodology is also a PCa survivor his choice of drug is emcyt (same family of drugs), so yeah he would be an idiot too if you believe the b.s. hype on using these types of drugs. (this does have side effects and is probably not used that much). You would have to find the right doc in order to get a written Rx for these drugs or even the ketoconazole. If you are seeing a uro-doc, you are beyond what he can help you with.

Chemo in my opinion is a possible later consideration and would drag your body down, myself I would wish to avoid forever. I feel so much better not using ADT(3) drugs that most people would not believe it, got rid of the weight gain, no sweats, no hot flashes, and that bunch of lousy effects. (have much better strenght and energy now too. Plus got a chance to flip the bird to the nice drug companies whom cashed in tremendously for my first 2 yrs. on ADT3=$26,000+.  Yeah I'm an idiot for using it ... (cost=$130 per year). Yes there may be some patients whom should not use some of these drugs, if they have high end blood clotting factors kind of built -in to their own chemistry, but this can be tested for too.

Anyway food for thought, controlling PCa is probably better than letting run rampant on its own. Contact www.paactusa.org a leading PCa advocacy organization for patient whom are at risk is another option.

Dx-2002 (probably shouldn't be around this long with my original stats and total urinary blockage likely caused by PCa in 2002, way high stats found all 12/12-cores 75-95% cancerous, gleasons 7,8,9's,  bpsa  46.6)  (current psa  .78 resumed DES again recently and got 3rd response in so using it)


profile picture
Tony Crispino
Veteran Member
Joined : Dec 2006
Posts : 8160
Posted 6/14/2009 9:57 PM (GMT -8)
Al,
Welcome to HealingWell. In my going on three years here, I have seen some cases like yours. Bob (Zufus) is one of them. Others have made a decision to take early chemotherapy as opposed to delayed. And still others decided on secondary hormonal treatment options like Ketoconazole or like Bob says estrogenic drugs like DES. At this point if your CT's are negative, what other scans are you planning? MRI?

You may also ask for a CTC (circulating tumor cell). This test may help you decide which is a good move now. With Provenge around the corner, as well as more genetic approaches, just trying to stablize the PSA is a sound approach.

Do you have an idea what you may try?

Anyway, welcome again. This is a great site with great membership interaction. Peace to you.

Tony
profile picture
John T
Veteran Member
Joined : Nov 2008
Posts : 4315
Posted 6/15/2009 9:34 AM (GMT -8)

The Prostate Cancer Research Institute has free videos on their web site by Drs Sholtz and Lam on androgen independent PC. Videos are very informative and Sholtz and Lam are experts in treating this type of PC.

JT

profile picture
Purgatory
Elite Member
Joined : Oct 2008
Posts : 25448
Posted 6/15/2009 5:31 PM (GMT -8)
Al,

I can't directly answer your questions, but I wish you all the best in your particular situation. There must be an answer out there, or a combination of things that can improve your numbers. Please keep us posted.

David in SC
✚ New Topic ✚ Reply


More On Prostate Cancer

Side Effects Of Prostate Cancer Radiation Treatment

Side Effects Of Prostate Cancer Radiation Treatment

Positive For Prostate Cancer

Positive For Prostate Cancer


HealingWell

About Us  |   Advertise  |   Subscribe  |   Privacy & Disclaimer
Connect With Us
Facebook Twitter Instagram Pinterest LinkedIn
© 1997-2023 HealingWell.com LLC All Rights Reserved. Our website is for informational purposes only. HealingWell.com LLC does not provide medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment.