What type of pump do you use and Why

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Timmy77
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   Posted 7/20/2009 11:11 AM (GMT -6)   
smhair How do you choose? confused There are many diff. types What do you use and why do you use it ? confused I want to do something soon and I am getting itchy if you know what I mean. Please give me some suggestions so I can order this week smilewinkgrin
Thanks
Timmy
48 yrs old
Robotic RP
6-15 2009
Surviver


James C.
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   Posted 7/20/2009 11:20 AM (GMT -6)   
Here's what and several others here use and that I recommend:

www.vitalitymedical.com/Product/Encore-Impo-Aid-Battery-Vacuum-Erection-Device-OTC-VTUE.html

$10 off right now. If you have insurance that covers it, and most do, you can go with the $400 to $550 models, but they really don't do much more than the cheaper ones do, after you consider the deductibles and other costs of using the insurance.
James C. Age 62
Co-Moderator- Prostate Cancer Forum
4/07 PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS 3/3=6
9/07 Nerve sparing open RRP- Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Stg. pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
21 mts: ED- 50 mg Viagra 3X week, pump daily,Trimix .35ml 2X week continues
PSA's: .04 each 3 months


Timmy77
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   Posted 7/20/2009 11:27 AM (GMT -6)   
I just went to the Bonro Medical site They have a unit that does not have to be pushed up to your body to seal it. It is 195 My insurance will not cover it at all. The guy at Bonro medical said that the ones with rings is not as good since you have to jam it into your groin to get suction? but he is their salesman. any thoughts?
Timmy
48 yrs old
Robotic RP
6-15 2009
Surviver


James C.
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   Posted 7/20/2009 11:57 AM (GMT -6)   
That's the Vacurect they are suggesting. I have one, also. It is open the same way the other one is, just smooth plastic opening around 2 inch diameter. There is nothing different from theirs as to the other, AS FAR AS opening and comfort is concerned, in my opinion. The difference is the Vacurect uses plastic discs in the place of rings. The disc is placed on the open end of the pump. The penis must be inserted into the opening of the disc and then vacuumed into the cylinder-IF YOU ARE GOING TO USE A DISC TO HOLD THE ERECTION. Caps for emphasis, sorry. When comparing the two when not using a ring or disc application, both are open to the extent that the penis must go inside, and they both must be pressed onto the body when using them without the intent of applying rings or discs. The salesman is a little off the mark, because when you draw the penis into the disc, the whole pump will naturally move back and seat on the abdomen. Yes, it doesn't draw in much, but depending on the size disc used, it can still draw in other 'tissue' lol Without the disc, the same discomfort that others experience with hair and abdomen/scrotal items being drawn into the pump sleve is the same. I found that having to use the disc each time when pumping for therepy really complicated the whole process, and that if I used the open end without the disc, then it was easier to pump using the battery operated other model. Unless you are intending to use the disc, then the Vacurect is comparable to any other VED. Their difference is the disc rather than the ring and the manner or motion that you must use to vacuum the penis. The other item is there's much less need for large amounts of lubrication with the others, even when using a ring than when using the disc system. You really got to put a lot on to comfortable draw the penis in and then later to remove the disc. The Vacurect is manually used, with a pumping motion of the sleeve, simulating the motion used in musterbation. It's your decision, of course. Personally, I switched to the regular model and method becasue of the complexity of using the Vacurect, but that is just my opinion and experience.
James C. Age 62
Co-Moderator- Prostate Cancer Forum
4/07 PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS 3/3=6
9/07 Nerve sparing open RRP- Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Stg. pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
21 mts: ED- 50 mg Viagra 3X week, pump daily,Trimix .35ml 2X week continues
PSA's: .04 each 3 months


Cajun Jeff
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   Posted 7/20/2009 6:53 PM (GMT -6)   
Tim; Shoot me an e-mail. My address is on my profile.
Jeff T Age 57
9/08 PSA 5.4, referred to Urologist
9/08 Biopsy: GS 3/4=7
10/08 Nerve sparing open RRP- Path Report: GS 3+3=7 Stg. pT2c, margins clear
3 mts: PSA .05 undetectable
 ED- 5 mg Cialis daily, pump daily,


goodlife
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   Posted 7/20/2009 7:06 PM (GMT -6)   
I have heard enough guys on this forum who don't like the pump for intercourse purposes, you could probably get one given to you if you don't mind using a used pump.

I have an Erectaid manual pump, with silicone rings, but it doen't work for me for inetrcourse. I have pumped it until my penis is tight inside the tube, and about as long as I think I ever was, but when I slip the ring over and pull the tube off, it still isn't as stiff as I need it to be.

I am foing for injection traiming tomorrow, I have heard enough good things on this forum to sell me,
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks due to anatomical issues with location of ureters with respect to bladder neck.  Try 3 tubes where no tubes are supposed to be for 2 weeks !
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)


Cajun Jeff
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   Posted 7/20/2009 8:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Goodlife: Your ahead of me by about a wk. I am going for my instructions and first injection on the 31st.
Jeff T Age 57
9/08 PSA 5.4, referred to Urologist
9/08 Biopsy: GS 3/4=7
10/08 Nerve sparing open RRP- Path Report: GS 3+3=7 Stg. pT2c, margins clear
3 mts: PSA .05 undetectable
 ED- 5 mg Cialis daily, pump daily,


Purgatory
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   Posted 7/20/2009 8:44 PM (GMT -6)   
good luck to you jeff and goodlife, hope it goes well with the injection method, seems to work well for many here.

david in sc
Age 57, 56 at DX, PSA 7/7 5.8, 7/8 12.3,9/8 14.5
3rd Biopsy Sept 08: Positive 7 of 7 cores, 40-90%, Gleason 7, 4+3
Open RP surgery 11/14/8, Right nerves spared, 4 days hospital, staples out 11/24/8, 5th cath out on 1/19/9
Post-surgery Pathlogy Report:Gleason 3+4=7, pT2c, 42 grm, tumor 20%, Contained in capsule, one post. margin, clear lymph nodes 
First PSA Post Surgery   2/9 .05, 5/9 .10, 6/9 .11, 8/11 ?
Lastest 7/13 met with Rad. Oncl, they want to start radiation, 70 gray, I am still considering all options and opinions
 
 


goodlife
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   Posted 7/20/2009 9:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Corvetteman3,

I'll let you know how the flag flies on the pole !
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks due to anatomical issues with location of ureters with respect to bladder neck.  Try 3 tubes where no tubes are supposed to be for 2 weeks !
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)


Timmy77
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Date Joined Jul 2009
Total Posts : 40
   Posted 7/22/2009 8:09 AM (GMT -6)   
James What type did you switch to I am going crazy trying to figure out which one to get. Please help
Timmy
48 yrs old
Robotic RP
6-15 2009
Surviver


James C.
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   Posted 7/22/2009 9:16 AM (GMT -6)   
I switched from the Vacurect to the one I posted the link to earlier. Here it is:

www.vitalitymedical.com/Product/Encore-Impo-Aid-Battery-Vacuum-Erection-Device-OTC-VTUE.html
James C. Age 62
Co-Moderator- Prostate Cancer Forum
4/07 PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS 3/3=6
9/07 Nerve sparing open RRP 110cc.- Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Stg. pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
21 mts: ED- 50 mg Viagra 3X week, pump daily,Trimix .35ml 2X week continues
PSA's: .04 each 3 months


Timmy77
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Date Joined Jul 2009
Total Posts : 40
   Posted 7/22/2009 5:53 PM (GMT -6)   
I did order from the web site Vitality Med today I did go with teh upgrade to the Augusta medical elite custom Plus battery aided . It is so hard to know what oneto buy I have always been a sucker for upgrades I guess that is why I drive a maxima instead of an altima. And of course I think I will get an altima next time so who knows? So Tonight I went to Walmart and got some new Depends some condoms and I am counting down the days until the Pump arrives. Funny I was a little embarrassed buying the condoms . I have gotten used to buying Diapers though. I guess it is one step at a time.
Thanks again all of you
Timmy
48 yrs old
Robotic RP
6-15 2009
Surviver


Cajun Jeff
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   Posted 7/23/2009 8:30 AM (GMT -6)   
Timmy: I think most of us have been in your shoes. In just a bit of time you will be like the rest of us " No Monesty At all left"

Good luck.

jeff
Jeff T Age 57
9/08 PSA 5.4, referred to Urologist
9/08 Biopsy: GS 3/4=7
10/08 Nerve sparing open RRP- Path Report: GS 3+3=7 Stg. pT2c, margins clear
3 mts: PSA .05 undetectable
 ED- 5 mg Cialis daily, pump daily,


mikey1955
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   Posted 7/23/2009 3:57 PM (GMT -6)   

Hi Timmy77,

I asked the same questions here. James C gave me a link for an Encore unit. I bought an Encore Revive system which is manual and battery powered. I live outside the US and couldn't get the same recommended model delivered here...at least not quickly and not from the same source.

I have used it about a dozen times. It has not yet given me a useable erection. However, I believe it has given me excellent therapy.

I was starting to seriously shrink in flaccid size. I have achieved success all times I've used it in terms of enlargement and more importantly, blood flow. My normal state is getting larger and I'm feeling "movement" I haven't felt since before surgery. For me, this device works.

It took some getting used to but, not difficult at all. Crew cut haircut in the underwear department helps with sealing the device as does the lubricants that are included.

My normal state has gone from almost non-existent (turtle?) to almost pre-surgery. My erect state needs some more work and patience and perserverance I'm sure will work for me.

Personally, I'm a believer in these devices.

Hope this helps.

Mike

PS: James C...many thanks 


Lower left groin hernia: mesh and large scar: surgery early 2006
Nov/Dec 07 and March 08 and now Dec 08: Severe perineal pain (between scrotum and rectum). Septra/Bactrim for 8 months (Nov 07-Jun 08) for diagnosed prostatitis.
PSA start of 2008: 5.3..... PSA June of 2008: 7.3
14 DRE all benign or nothing felt
TRUS Biopsy Nov 08: Got copy of pathology (see below). Prostate about 40 cm sq.
General Health: pretty good, 5' 10", 180 lbs, slim.
Bone scan Dec 08: Negative
Barium enema X-ray (March 09 due to several days of blood in stool)
MRI with endorectal coil (April 09 as part of a study)
3D advanced TRUS (April 09 as part of a study)
CT (April 09 as part of a study)
Biopsy Pathology: 5 of 8 cores positive, adenocarinoma in both lobes. 30%-65%. One core perineural invasion. 2 cores "foamy" and suspicious. All +ve cores, 3+3 GS 6.
Open RP surgery: May 5/09 Surgeon spoke to my wife and was very positive. Said both nerve bundles spared and not damaged. Bilateral lymph node dissection performed. Discharged 48 hours after surgery. Staples out, catheter out and pathology sheduled for May 21.
Post Surgery Pathology: pT3a N0 MX, extraprostatic extension (EPE), stage III prostate cancer, lymph nodes clear, seminal vesicles clear, Gleason upraded to 3+4 GS 7. EPE within surgical margins. Other than prostate and EPE, all tissue removed negative for cancer involvement.
Physical State: Getting back to working out slowly. Urinary control pretty much from the time of catheter removal. Rectal pain, sometimes bad but, told is normal. Erectile function at best 25-30% of presurgery. Trying Levitra...first 10 mG dose gave me nasal congestion, 50% chubby and a 24 hour headache...may go away with more use or change of meds. Considering pump. Recovery from surgery going very well.
Mental State: Pre-surgery anxiety gone. Positive attitude. Some anxiety about seeing radiation oncologist and upcoming 3 month PSA. 


56pontiac
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Date Joined Sep 2006
Total Posts : 232
   Posted 7/29/2009 5:58 PM (GMT -6)   
Timmy pump that thang up a lot for excercise it does not need to be sexual it is therapy. I did it brushing my teeth and in the shower like a workout. Get that blood flow going in and out of there. My surgery was in October 2006. I never did shots it took 11 months for it to get up on its own. I used the vacurect for two and half years. I have not used the pump for over three months and I'm hoping it stays like this, the erections are getting stronger. It is not like when I was 25 but it works well enough for intercourse and it is wonderful without the pump. I see very few of my old surgery mates around this forum and I don't check in all that often. Thought I would post this and let you know it will take time, just don't give up. Every day of life is a gift, live it to its fullest the very best you can.

Piano
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   Posted 7/29/2009 6:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Pontiac -- it's good to hear from you old timers. It's interesting to know that coming up 3 years post surgery, you are still seeing improvement in the erection department.
Pre-op:
Age 63 at diagnosis, now 64.
No symptoms; PSA 5.7; Gleason 4+5=9; cancer in 4 of 12 cores.
Operation:
Non-nerve sparing RRP on 7 March 2008.
Two nights in hospital; catheter out after 7 days.
Post-op:
Continent; no pads needed from the get-go.
Pathology showed organ confined and negative margins. Gleason downgraded to 4+4=8.
PSAs:
6-week : <0.05
7-month: <0.05
13-month: 0.07 (start of a trend?)
ED:
After a learning curve, Bimix injections (0.2ml) are working well. VED also works but we find it inferior to Bimix.

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