Encore Vacuum Manual or Battery powered?

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wd40
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   Posted 8/14/2009 1:27 PM (GMT -6)   
I am thinking of buying the Encore pump after reading the post here. Should I go with the battery powered model or the manual one?
12/06/07 DaVinci and open prostate surgery after difficulties in breathing stopped the davinci.


oldflyingfarmer
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   Posted 8/14/2009 1:31 PM (GMT -6)   
I have one from Augusta Medical. It is the manual which was recommended by the rep. It is easy to pump. It seems the manual one would have a better feel as to how much vacuum you are making. To much to quick isn't pleasant.
Just my opinion. Hope it helps.
Age 55
Diabetic on insulin pump
PSA started rising in 2007
2 negative biopsiesthru 2008
2009 PSA 31, TURP found Gleason 9 cancer
Started holistic approach while waiting for surgery
RRP on May 27, 2009
Cath out 2 weeks after surgery
Very little drip, some pain
Had my 6 week post op doctor visit. PSA was <.05 so I am pleased.
Still some ED problems but seeing improvement. May try VED. Started on daily pills.


Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 8/14/2009 1:38 PM (GMT -6)   
I went with the manual...
Age 54   - 5'11"   205lbs
Overall Heath Condition - Good
PSA - July 2007 & Jan 2008 -> 1.3
Biopsy - 03/04/08 -> Gleason 6 
06/25/08 - Da Vinci robotic laparoscopy
05/14/09  - 4th Quarter PSA -> less then .01
Surgeon - Keith A. Waguespack, M.D.


James C.
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   Posted 8/14/2009 1:41 PM (GMT -6)   
I had the manual one, and when I got the second one, I got the battery operated one. It is just as effective and safe as the manual one. you will have full control on the process and a button to press to release vacuum at any time. It's really just your choice. Someone with arthritis or such may find the automatic easier.
James C. Age 62
Co-Moderator- Prostate Cancer Forum
4/07 PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS 3/3=6
9/07 Nerve sparing open RRP 110gms.- Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Stg. pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
22 mts: ED- 50 mg Viagra 3X week, pump daily,Trimix 30/1/20-.10ml 2X week continues
PSA's: .04 each test since surgery


hb2006
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   Posted 8/14/2009 2:16 PM (GMT -6)   
I would go with the battery operated one. It's so much easier to use and you have total control over it. I have had two hand pumps and I would never go back.

Age 60, PSA 2007 4.1, PSA 2008 10.0
Diagnosed April 2008, Biopsy: 6 of 12 cores positive, Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
CT and Bone Scan negative, Open surgery at Shawnee Mission Medical Center May 21, 2008
Right side nerves spared, Radical prostatectomy and lymph node dissection
Cather removed on June 3rd, totally dry on July 9th, pT2c, lymph nodes negative
PSA Sept 28, 2008 0.00, PSA Jan 22, 2009 0.00, PSA June 29, 2009 0.00
ED Status- Currently using Trimix, Levitra daily for increased blood flow.
Noctural Erections have completely returned on a nightly basis, same hardness as before.


mikey1955
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   Posted 8/14/2009 2:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi wd,

I bought an encore revive system. It's both manual and battery. Haven't tried the battery yet. Manual is working good. I just need more time as I haven't had anything useable but, it is bringing junior around. This brand is working for me. Can't tell you about the others because I haven't tried them. I think a key ingredient with any pump is daily use. It can be a bit uncomfortable, but 5 or 10 minutes in, it's fine. Hope this helps.

Mike
-Hernia, mesh and large scar, surgery early 2006
-Nov/Dec 07, March 08 and Dec 08: Severe perineum pain . Septra/Bactrim for 8 months for diagnosed prostatitis.
-PSA start of 2008: 5.3..... PSA June of 2008: 7.3
-14 DRE all benign or nothing felt
-TRUS Biopsy Nov 08: 5 of 8 cores positive GS 3+3 or 6. 30-65%. Perineural invasion.
-General Health: pretty good, 5' 10", 180 lbs, slim.
-Bone scan Dec 08: Negative
-Barium enema X-ray March 09: Small diverticulosis
-MRI with endorectal coil (April 09 as part of a study)
-3D advanced TRUS (April 09 as part of a study)
-CT (April 09 as part of a study)
-Open RP surgery: May 09 both nerve bundles spared. Bilateral lymph node dissection performed. Discharged 48 hours after surgery.
-Post Surgery Pathology: pT3a N0 MX, extraprostatic extension (EPE), stage III prostate cancer, lymph nodes clear, seminal vesicles clear, Gleason upraded to 3+4 GS 7. EPE within surgical margins. Other than prostate and EPE, all tissue removed negative for cancer involvement.


wd40
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   Posted 8/14/2009 2:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Guys. thanks so much for all of the replies. iT does seem like a coin toss.

Amazon had a good price on them.

Mike I saw the one with both manual and battery but couldn't figure that one out. LOL the only thing I could figure was a backup in case the batteries went dead.
12/06/07 DaVinci and open prostate surgery after difficulties in breathing stopped the davinci.


mikey1955
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   Posted 8/14/2009 3:16 PM (GMT -6)   
wd, I bought both the manual and battery system (one kit). I haven't used the battery part except to see if it was working. In my system, the 2 vacuum heads are interchangeable on the same tube as they should be. I'm happy with my purchase. At the present, it takes me about 10-15 minutes to start to see reasonable results. That's using the manual. It seems it's getting quicker and soon, maybe I'll have something useable. At that point, maybe I'll change over to the battery part. I paid about $200 by the time shipping and other expenses were considered (no insurane coverage for this). A lot, but the quality seems good and as always, I was in a hurry.

Mike
-Hernia, mesh and large scar, surgery early 2006
-Nov/Dec 07, March 08 and Dec 08: Severe perineum pain . Septra/Bactrim for 8 months for diagnosed prostatitis.
-PSA start of 2008: 5.3..... PSA June of 2008: 7.3
-14 DRE all benign or nothing felt
-TRUS Biopsy Nov 08: 5 of 8 cores positive GS 3+3 or 6. 30-65%. Perineural invasion.
-General Health: pretty good, 5' 10", 180 lbs, slim.
-Bone scan Dec 08: Negative
-Barium enema X-ray March 09: Small diverticulosis
-MRI with endorectal coil (April 09 as part of a study)
-3D advanced TRUS (April 09 as part of a study)
-CT (April 09 as part of a study)
-Open RP surgery: May 09 both nerve bundles spared. Bilateral lymph node dissection performed. Discharged 48 hours after surgery.
-Post Surgery Pathology: pT3a N0 MX, extraprostatic extension (EPE), stage III prostate cancer, lymph nodes clear, seminal vesicles clear, Gleason upraded to 3+4 GS 7. EPE within surgical margins. Other than prostate and EPE, all tissue removed negative for cancer involvement.


FiftiesMale
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Date Joined Mar 2009
Total Posts : 75
   Posted 8/14/2009 3:44 PM (GMT -6)   
i considered both and bought the manual one. I have been quite pleased with it. I can control things down to a very exact level of erection.
Age: 53
8/1/2008: PSA 6.2, GP recommended retake.
8/27/2008: PSA 5.8 (%free 12.1) referred to Urologist.
9/10/2008: DRE - non palpable. Urologist recommended biopsy
10/21/2008: Biopsy appt: 10 samples taken
10/31/2008: Biopsy results; 1 positive out of 10 samples.
10/31/2008: Biopsy Results: Gleason 7 (3+4) , no evidence of perineural invasion.
10/31/2008: Referred to UCSF
12/19/2008: Transrectal Ultrasound at UCSF
12/19/2008: Consultation with Surgeon.
12/19/2008: Surgeon concurred on Gleason 7=3+4 (per slides).
2/24/2009: Robotic Assisted Laparoscopic Prostatectomy (DaVinci) UCSF
3/5/2009: Cathetor removal.
3/21/2009Post Op Pathology: margins negative/clear, Gleason 4+3=7
4/9/2009: first post-op Ultrasensative PSA: less than 0.01
Currently taking Viagra (since March 2009), Levitra (tried Cialis).
6/2009: Purchased and using Osbon manual pump.
7/28/09: 5 month Ultrasensative PSA: less than 0.01


Piano
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   Posted 8/14/2009 4:33 PM (GMT -6)   
I find a manual cheapie to be fine too.

I don't know how noisy the Encore one is, but one of the factors with battery operation is that some of those little motors aren't very quiet. This might be a concern if you have people in the next room -- Daddy, why is the house shuddering? :-)
Pre-op:
Age 63 at diagnosis, now 64.
No symptoms; PSA 5.7; Gleason 4+5=9; cancer in 4 of 12 cores.
Operation:
Non-nerve sparing RRP on 7 March 2008.
Two nights in hospital; catheter out after 7 days.
Post-op:
Continent; no pads needed from the get-go.
Pathology showed organ confined and negative margins. Gleason downgraded to 4+4=8.
PSAs:
6-week : <0.05
7-month: <0.05
13-month: 0.07 (start of a trend?)
ED:
After a learning curve, Bimix injections (0.2ml) are working well. VED also works but we find it inferior to Bimix.
14 months: Occasional nocturnal erections.


Jstars
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Date Joined Oct 2005
Total Posts : 489
   Posted 8/14/2009 10:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Hah hah Piano,

You suspect rightly -- the motor is a little noisy. Hey if anyone asks just say its your wife, not you!

Wd40 -- I have only had the motorized one -- going on 6 months usage. Only the third set of batteries too, so it is pretty thrifty (and I use it almost every day -- once or twice).

I think the motorized one is superior because you can run the whole thing with only one hand. That leaves your other hand available for the all important stretching of the scrotum to keep it from getting sucked in. (well OK you can have your partner help with that part if you use the manual pump).

At this point I can usually get good wood in just a few minutes -- sometimes even less -- almost like old times, except for this darned rings. I am now using the Osbon tension rings -- they are very superior to the regular silicone rings that come with the Encore, so when the regulars wear out (they stretch out after a while) consider getting a few Osbon rings -- even if they are a bit pricey.
Age 58, 195lbs, 6'4", 57 at DX, PSA Aug2008 7 4 ... June2007 4.7 (BPH + LUTS)
Biopsy Nov2008 1 of 12 cores 5%, Gleason 3+3 - Sona showed size 140+ cc (110 grams post op).
02/03/09 open RRP surgery , Nerve sparing both sides, 1 day in hospital, Day 4 first BM,
Pathology Report: All margins clear - No Invasive spread - no change in Gleason score.
02/18/09 Cath out, passed a 1cm oblong STONE within hours.
03/06/09 Started Levitra@20mg / Viagra@100mg / (04/01) Cialis@20mg -- no real effect (thru 07/2009).
04/01/09, 07/07/09 PSA <0.1 - Stone Was Oxalate stone -- X-ray no stones.
08/07/2009 - MUSE@1000mcg@Uro Office -- worked OK -- AlProstadil ache not bad.

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