How to diagnosis prostate cancer with prostate needle biopsy?

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ertweryt
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   Posted 9/12/2009 8:08 AM (GMT -6)   
rostate biopsy is an important means of diagnosis of prostate cancer to get prostate tissue, when the digital rectal examination found that prostate induration will probably appears, you can start prostate biopsy under the B ultrasound-guided for early diagnosis of prostate cancer. Why should we carry out prostate biopsy?

(1) to determine the nature of the prostate tumor.
(2) to determine the histological type of prostate cancer in order to determine treatment.
(3) to determine the effect of prostate cancer after treatment.
(4) fot the patients who has serum PSA, PAP elevated with clinical symptoms and digital rectal examination is suspected to be prostate cancer patients.

There are two ways for the biopsy of the Prostate , one is to through the perineum, and one through the rectum, the first one is in the clinical application of more, but it is often not accurate enough to drawn materials. but it’s more accurate to drawn for the transrectal approach, if under the rectal ultrasound-guided , it’ll be with high accuracy, even though there may be perineal infection, with its high rate of biopsy-positive, so the current application is increasing.

The development of prostate needle biopsy of prostate is becoming more secure, reliable, and less post-operative complications.

The main steps are as follows:
(1) to take the bladder lithotomy position or lateral position for the patients
(2) Conventional disinfection and conduct perineal anesthesia.
(3) At the center of the perineum to the anus outside the mid-point at 0.5 cm ,plug into the side needle, the left finger into the rectum, guiding the needle into the capsule.
(4) plug into the needle to the lesion , puncture and pull the trigger and then pull out the needle, then you’ll see the prostate tissue.

James C.
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   Posted 9/12/2009 9:12 AM (GMT -6)   
and???? waiting for the other shoe to drop. First time poster, Welcome, did you hit submit early and not finish your post? Do you have or suspect you have Prostate Cancer? From this post, I really can't judge your intent or needs here. Care to elaborate, lets us know a little about yourself, tell us where you are on your Journey. smilewinkgrin
James C. Age 62
Co-Moderator- Prostate Cancer Forum
4/07 PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS 3/3=6
9/07 Nerve sparing open RRP 110gms.- Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Stg. pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
24 mts: ED- 50 mg Viagra 3X week, pump daily,
Bimix-30/1/20-.20ml 2X most weeks continues using plump and ring technique
PSA's: .04 each test since surgery


livinadream
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   Posted 9/12/2009 9:54 AM (GMT -6)   
I am with you James I have no idea what the intent here is. I hope the person comes back to at least clarify their point.

Dale
My PSA at diagnosis was 16.3
age 47 (current)

http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/dalechildress

My gleason score from prostate was 4+5=9 and from the lymph nodes (3 positive) was 4+4=8
I had 44 IMRT's
Casodex
Currently on Lupron
I go to The Cancer Treatment Center of America
Married with two kids
latest PSA 5-27-08 0.11

PSA July 24th, 2008 is 0.04
PSA Dec 16th, 2008 is .016
PSA Mar 30th, 2009 is .02
PSA July 28th 2009 is .01

Testosterone keeps rising, the current number is 156, up from 57 in May

T level dropped to 37 Mar 30th, 2009
cancer in 4 of 6 cores
92%
80%
37%
28%


James C.
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   Posted 9/12/2009 10:12 AM (GMT -6)   
After a little digging, I find that this is a cut and paste from their prostate cancer blog that they have elsewhere. A personal info blog, for clarification... maybe he will come back with more info.
James C. Age 62
Co-Moderator- Prostate Cancer Forum
4/07 PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS 3/3=6
9/07 Nerve sparing open RRP 110gms.- Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Stg. pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
24 mts: ED- 50 mg Viagra 3X week, pump daily,
Bimix-30/1/20-.20ml 2X most weeks continues using plump and ring technique
PSA's: .04 each test since surgery


Purgatory
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Total Posts : 25393
   Posted 9/12/2009 10:24 AM (GMT -6)   
I am still waiting for the comercial at the end of it. lol. perhaps there will be more to come.
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20%, Contained in capsule, 1 pos margin
2009 PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Latest: 7/09 met 2 rad. oncl, 7/09 cath #6 - blockage, 8/09 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 - out after 38 days


Sleepless09
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   Posted 9/12/2009 3:56 PM (GMT -6)   
I figured when I read his subect line the post was going to read:

"Use a doctor --- preferably a pathologist."

It worked for me!

Cheers, Sheldon AKA Sleepless
Age 67 in Apil '09 at news of 4 of 12 cores positive T2B and Gleason 3 + 3 and 5% to 25% PSA 1.5
Re-read of slides in June said Gleason 3 + 4 same four cores 5% to 15%
June 29 daVinci prostatectomy, Dr. Eric Estey, at Royal Alexandra Hospital Edmonton one night stay
Flew home to Winnipeg on July 3 after 5 nights in Ramada Inn  ---  perfect recovery spot!
Catheter out July 9, so far, so good
Final pathology is 3 + 4 Gleason 7, clear margins, clear nodes, T2C, sugeron says report is "excellent"  


ertweryt
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Date Joined Sep 2009
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   Posted 9/12/2009 11:06 PM (GMT -6)   
this is a classic article from other country's website,i just translated those,only for reference,i am not a doctor,but have some experience about health,basically,at present the articles in my blog are the translation work,although only recent two or three ones with all efforts.i'll keep going on,and i think this is some useful prostate cancer treatment,most importantly it's fresh. just share some great stuff in the forum because i always get useful informaiton from the forum,one of my best friend suffering from prostate cancer,and i build the blog and write some posts about this ,only to creat a little awareness.

thanks for u guys's intrest for this post,hi moderator,it's my first time to post.maybe there should be a "self-introduction" post cool

Post Edited By Moderator (TC-LasVegas) : 9/14/2009 12:28:09 PM (GMT-6)


Purgatory
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   Posted 9/13/2009 8:24 AM (GMT -6)   
New Person:

You have to admit that it's rather strange to come into a site like this, and just cut and paste an article, or part of an article, you don't give any reference to it, you don't say who you are or where you are from or what your purpose or motivation is. You don't say if you are a prostate cancer survivor or newly diagnosed.

Yes, a "self-introduction" post would give you credibility and open the welcome mat for you. THis is a great and friendly place, I assure you that first hand, but we are also on the look out at all time for scammers and "snake oil" peddlers, that come and go, and get ran out of here as soon as they can be detected.

Look forward to hearing back from you, so please introduced yourself properly.

David in Sc
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20%, Contained in capsule, 1 pos margin
2009 PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Latest: 7/09 met 2 rad. oncl, 7/09 cath #6 - blockage, 8/09 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 - out after 38 days


ertweryt
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   Posted 9/13/2009 10:26 PM (GMT -6)   
as you said,the moderators have the ability to judge which post is a spam,which id should be banned.
 
the thing is very simple,a new user has a post on a forum,it's so complicated right now.
 
i didn't intend to write a beutiful story for myself,i really can't understand why many of guys love to do like that,it's hidden rule?what the readers want is the valuable ,unique ,helpful content.
 
for the reference,if anyone can understand the articles which is not written by english,just give me a private message,i'll reply it.
 
pls do not make it more and more complicated,the purpose we are here is to get and give great stuff about prostate cancer,meanwhile have some friends.

James C.
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Date Joined Aug 2007
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   Posted 9/14/2009 6:18 AM (GMT -6)   
Well, I certainly can't disagree with sharing information by anyone who comes here, so let me say Welcome. However, this is essentially a help and support forum, so please remember to include the human element in your posting, rather than rote copy and pastes of articles without intro. We actually have a really good data base built up here and translated cut and paste jobs with no rhyme or reason for why they are being posted is sorta suspicious and redundant for most of us. Also, please be aware of the Forum rules about use of copyright material. A short partial quote is fine, posting full copyrighted articles is not allowed here. Posting links to other sites is subject to review on an individual basis by the moderators.

There is no hidden rule about having to write your story and share it with us. However, each regular here is encouraged to share their details with others here, so we can know where each of us are in our treatment Journey and can beter understand where they are coming from without having to aska lot fo questions to understand why a certain question or request is made. I will be honest with you and tell you that unless you share personal info about yourself (in other words, become a human to us, rather than a collections of letters), you may find your acceptance not the thing you may wish for, if you wish for acceptance and others responding to your posts.

I also would remind you that we have some very sharp, intelligent guys here, who are constantly scouring the available source material for new stuff, and they just may not see the value of the reposting of old, outdated or copyrighted data. Also, posting with a reasonable expectation of some value for the reader is expected. With those warnings and issues made to you, then Welcome to the Forum.
James C. Age 62
Co-Moderator- Prostate Cancer Forum
4/07 PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS 3/3=6
9/07 Nerve sparing open RRP 110gms.- Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Stg. pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
24 mts: ED- 50 mg Viagra 3X week, pump daily,
Bimix-30/1/20-.20ml 2X most weeks continues using plump and ring technique
PSA's: .04 each test since surgery

Post Edited (James C.) : 9/14/2009 6:27:31 AM (GMT-6)


Purgatory
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Total Posts : 25393
   Posted 9/14/2009 7:00 AM (GMT -6)   
James, I went to "New Persons" web site, and the information is choppy, incomplete, and all over the place, even its organzation is strange. Now it could be to that it has been translated from whatever language into English poorly and could thus explain how it looked to me.

However, "New Persons" post just above your last response, James, sounded really contrived to me and almost worded and misspelled on purpose, possibly one of our formal distracters trying to be cute, seeing if we can be caught off guard.

Just my opinion. If "New Persons" is legit, he/she will come clean and present and introduce themself properly.

David in SC
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20%, Contained in capsule, 1 pos margin
2009 PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Latest: 7/09 met 2 rad. oncl, 7/09 cath #6 - blockage, 8/09 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 - out after 38 days


James C.
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   Posted 9/14/2009 7:13 AM (GMT -6)   
Well, benefit of doubt until proven otherwise.. wink
James C. Age 62
Co-Moderator- Prostate Cancer Forum
4/07 PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS 3/3=6
9/07 Nerve sparing open RRP 110gms.- Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Stg. pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
24 mts: ED- 50 mg Viagra 3X week, pump daily,
Bimix-30/1/20-.20ml 2X most weeks continues using plump and ring technique
PSA's: .04 each test since surgery


ertweryt
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Date Joined Sep 2009
Total Posts : 7
   Posted 9/14/2009 8:39 AM (GMT -6)   
thanks moderate.

Purgatory,
pls know that only recent several articles with all my efforts,of cource i'll translate seriously for the later time.i have to say that,one of my translation articles is approved in the articlesbase.com yesterday,in the cancer article page.the name is "the 4 period of prostate cancer stage"
this is really good news ,i'll keep this going on,there will be more and more my translation prostate cancer articles appearing <Removed> wink

Post Edited By Moderator (TC-LasVegas) : 9/14/2009 12:29:50 PM (GMT-6)


ertweryt
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   Posted 9/14/2009 8:48 AM (GMT -6)   
it's really not convenient to "link to the original articles",some from PDF books,some from newspaper..

Sonny3
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   Posted 9/14/2009 8:59 AM (GMT -6)   
ertweryt,

It may be inconvenient to link and translate your articles, however, for me it seems that identifying yourself and your language and country of origin is a fairly simple task.

That is the common thread that has been asked in all of the responses to your past posts.

Not identifying your goal with this and an unwillingness to share something (anything) about yourself leads to great doubt and distrust to your information and reasoning.

Has anyone else noticed that even the screen name (all letters from the top left hand side of the keyboard) is contrived and non-descript.

Sonny
60 years old
PSA November 2007 3.0
PSA May 2009 6.4
Diagnosis confirmed July 9, 2009
12 Needle Biopsy = 9 clear , 3 postive
<5%, 90%, 40%
Gleason Score (3+4) 7 in all positive cores
CT Organ Scan - negative
Nuclear Bone Scan - Negative

Surgery set for September 17th, 2009 with Dr. Mani Menon at the Henry Ford Medical Center in Detroit.


Sleepless09
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   Posted 9/14/2009 9:39 AM (GMT -6)   
Sonny3, I agree this is a very strange situation and without any links, references, and frankly a concern about translating abilities for this sort of material, I am near to thinking the information should be deleted. I suspect our moderators are having a behind the scenes conversation on this. ertweryt's web page suggests he's put considerable work into that project, but again no clue (at least that I discovered) as to what the purpose is.

It does seem likely that ertweryt has had PCa and likely surgery. In the "about" section on his web page it says, "So far, PSA is undetectable."

It is interesting that most of us here are very anonymous, but still we know each other better than we know our closest friends. We resonate. Not to a single note, but to several notes. ertweryt doesn't resonate when we ping.

On more important matters Sonny3, you're set to dance with Dr. Menon on Thursday. In case I don't have another opportunity, please know I wish you well and look forward to welcoming you to the other side. Do report in as soon as you can.

Sheldon AKA Sleepless
Age 67 in Apil '09 at news of 4 of 12 cores positive T2B and Gleason 3 + 3 and 5% to 25% PSA 1.5
Re-read of slides in June said Gleason 3 + 4 same four cores 5% to 15%
June 29 daVinci prostatectomy, Dr. Eric Estey, at Royal Alexandra Hospital Edmonton one night stay
Flew home to Winnipeg on July 3 after 5 nights in Ramada Inn  ---  perfect recovery spot!
Catheter out July 9, so far, so good
Final pathology is 3 + 4 Gleason 7, clear margins, clear nodes, T2C, sugeron says report is "excellent"  


Sonny3
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   Posted 9/14/2009 9:57 AM (GMT -6)   
Sheldon, thanks for the well wishes.

Yep, going to the dance on Thursday and being the gentleman that I am I plan to let Dr. Menon lead.

He can even pick out his favorite music.

I haven't bothered to look at the website or links from the poster. Until I feel more comfortable with the whys and wherefors I will just leave it alone. Have just a few more pressing things on my mind.

The only reason I responded is that I have gained so much knowledge and comfort from this site that it kinda irked me to see someone continuing to post that refuses to accept the guidelines of decorum established here.

I approach every day as a bonus and with a smile on my face. I truly believe that laughter is good for the soul and is healthy. I know that PCa is serious business and at times I may seem a little irreverent and ty to inject humor. But I think once in a while we all need to be able to laugh a little.

To date it would seem that ertweryt only adds consternation to the discussions.

Thanks for the good thoughts,
Sonny
60 years old
PSA November 2007 3.0
PSA May 2009 6.4
Diagnosis confirmed July 9, 2009
12 Needle Biopsy = 9 clear , 3 postive
<5%, 90%, 40%
Gleason Score (3+4) 7 in all positive cores
CT Organ Scan - negative
Nuclear Bone Scan - Negative

Surgery set for September 17th, 2009 with Dr. Mani Menon at the Henry Ford Medical Center in Detroit.


Tony Crispino
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   Posted 9/14/2009 1:27 PM (GMT -6)   
ertweryt
James C welcomed you and asked for more information about yourself. This is a support forum for prostate cancer survivors and personally I don't want to see anymore links or "facts" until you answer James C's question. If you are not a prostate cancer survivor or a loved one of such, then please understand we have rules here about posting and you need to review them. Please do not post anymore links until you do follow through with James C's request.

Tony


 Age 47 (44 when Dx)
Pre-op PSA was 19.8 : Surgery at The City of Hope on February 16, 2007
Gleason 4+3=7, Stage pT3b, N0, Mx
Positive Margins (PM), Extra Prostatic Extension (EPE) : Bilateral Seminal vesicle invasion (SVI)
HT began in May, '07 with Lupron and Casodex 50mg (2 Year ADT)
IMRT radiation for 38 Treatments ending August 3, '07
Current PSA (May 11, 2009): <0.1
 
My Journal is at Tony's Blog  
 
STAY POSITIVE!

Post Edited (TC-LasVegas) : 9/14/2009 12:53:24 PM (GMT-6)


ertweryt
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Date Joined Sep 2009
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   Posted 9/14/2009 11:20 PM (GMT -6)   
hi all:
of course there were be no more links
the reason why to post articlebase links was to verify the ability of translation,not spam
to soony 3:
ertweryt form china,speak chinese,man,not girl.simple task cater to me.


Purgatory
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Date Joined Oct 2008
Total Posts : 25393
   Posted 9/14/2009 11:25 PM (GMT -6)   
So, you are saying you are a man, and from China, and speak Chinese, not English?

David in SC
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20%, Contained in capsule, 1 pos margin
2009 PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Latest: 7/09 met 2 rad. oncl, 7/09 cath #6 - blockage, 8/09 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 - out  38 days, 9/14/9 - met 3rd rad. oncl., agreed to start radiation, does not rec. HT at this time, mapping on 9/21/9


ertweryt
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Date Joined Sep 2009
Total Posts : 7
   Posted 9/14/2009 11:26 PM (GMT -6)   
a little bit tired,i've decided to quit this forum,so don't leave any questions,there will be no reply form me. just sharing a post......


Purgatory
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Date Joined Oct 2008
Total Posts : 25393
   Posted 9/15/2009 7:48 AM (GMT -6)   
Well, our Chinese friend, thanks for visiting. If you ever make it back to this forum, simply introduce yourself, you would find yourself most welcome. We have friends here from all over the world, and you would be welcome.

As they say here in the southern United States, "You all come back"

David in South Carolina (SC)
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20%, Contained in capsule, 1 pos margin
2009 PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Latest: 7/09 met 2 rad. oncl, 7/09 cath #6 - blockage, 8/09 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 - out  38 days, 9/14/9 - met 3rd rad. oncl., agreed to start radiation, does not rec. HT at this time, mapping on 9/21/9

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