Night B4 the Big Trip- Is It A Bad Omen?

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Sonny3
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   Posted 9/15/2009 8:26 PM (GMT -6)   
So here I am packing and getting ready to go. I keep checking the forum for the latest updates from Worried guy and Geezer99 to see the latest developments in the struggles of the hapless with the NASCAR method of changing pads.

Like most of you I have been laughing to the point of tears for days on this one. Like most of you guys have, I also think, hope that's not me after my surgery.

Well now I am not so sure.

Mom wife announced loudly a little while ago that 'THE KITHCHEN SINK HAS SPRUNG A LEAK".

Sure enough, I interrupt my packing to see that the sink has certainly sprung a leak all over the place. So tear everything out from under the sink, dry out the space, crawl under and can't find where it's coming from.

Finally the drops begin to appear. The HOSE connecting the faucet to the sprayer appears to have a pin hole in it. Little drops but they are consistent. Soon the pan I have placed under the HOSE has a good amount of water in it.

It's too late to go to home depot, I don't have a spare and the design won't let me just disconnect it.

What can I do. Just tell her I have shut the water off and to call the neighbor plumber in the morning.

I was calm the night before my trip. I was in a place of peace and serenity. I was confident and comfortable with my decisions and plans. I was confident in the outcomes.

Now the sink has placed doubt and fear in me about the incontinence issues. I swear when I get back, good or bad, I am selling this house for destroying my calm tranquility.

Sonny
60 years old
PSA November 2007 3.0
PSA May 2009 6.4
Diagnosis confirmed July 9, 2009
12 Needle Biopsy = 9 clear , 3 postive
<5%, 90%, 40%
Gleason Score (3+4) 7 in all positive cores
CT Organ Scan - negative
Nuclear Bone Scan - Negative

Surgery set for September 17th, 2009 with Dr. Mani Menon at the Henry Ford Medical Center in Detroit.


goodlife
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   Posted 9/15/2009 8:30 PM (GMT -6)   
I hate to break the news to you Sonny, but you probably won't have a pinhole leak for a few days. We measure it in pads per day !
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared, but carved up a little.
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks due to anatomical issues with location of ureters with respect to bladder neck.  Try 3 tubes where no tubes are supposed to be for 2 weeks !
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)
5 month PSA <.03 (undetectable)


Purgatory
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Date Joined Oct 2008
Total Posts : 25380
   Posted 9/15/2009 8:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Brother Sonny, don't like a silly sink leak break the peace and calm you were starting to have. Not apples to apples here. In the next 48 hours, your feelings and emotions will go back and forth like the proverbial yo yo, but in your heart of heart, you know you are doing the right thing for you. Plus, you have this group of goons back here (myself a goon too!) all rooting for you, praying for you, and just waiting for you to come to in the recovery room and get to the other side. So keep yourself busy, and if some of us clowns amuse you, laugh.

Sometimes there can be humor in the darkest moments, I think we try to find it here too. Yeah, there's a lot of serious stuff going on here, but in our daily lives, there are funny moments. THink that's the way it's meant to be.

Get some rest brother, you got a flight ahead of you. On surgery day, everything will take place like a row of dominoes lined up, and before you know it, it will be over.

We are with you.

David in SC
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20%, Contained in capsule, 1 pos margin
2009 PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Latest: 7/09 met 2 rad. oncl, 7/09 cath #6 - blockage, 8/09 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 - out  38 days, 9/14/9 - met 3rd rad. oncl., agreed to start radiation, does not rec. HT at this time, mapping on 9/21/9


Jake T
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Date Joined Mar 2009
Total Posts : 44
   Posted 9/15/2009 8:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey Sonny, good luck tomorrow, you will be on the recovery side before you know it, keep us posted regards Jake

Age 56 > DRE 12/22/08 > PSA 3.4 on Jan 09 > PSA 3.8 on Feb 09 > Biopsy 3/9/09 3 out of 12 positive > Gleason 7 > cat scan neg > divinci robotic surgery 4/23/09 at Mount Sinai NY > Dr. Samadi > Chief Division of Robotics > both nerves spared > margins and nodes clear > catheter out in 7days 4/30/09 > 6 week post surgery PSA 0.01 on 6/ 09/09 > incontinence 1-2 pads a day 1 @ night 

 

 


DS Can
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Total Posts : 195
   Posted 9/15/2009 8:57 PM (GMT -6)   

Best wishes for a day of success tomorrow!  Don't worry any more about what could go wrong.  Soon you will be in the recliner with nothing else to do but heal well my friend.

Dan

 


PSA 01/07 1.2, PSA 01/08 1.9, PSA 01/09 2.5
BIOPSY 02/24/09  PCa DX age 52
Right: 3+3=6, 3/6 cores 10% involved,PNI-Y
Left:  3+3=6, 1/7 cores <5% involved,PNI-N
LARP 04/09/09 nerve sparing. Final pathology:
GS 3+4=7, Margins uninvolved, 2 lymph nodes negative
Catheter out 04/17,1st no-pad day 05/03
25 mg Viagra nightly;100 mg:not ready for prime time
Followup PSA 05/28/09, 08/20/09 <0.1
 
 


Colin45
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Date Joined Feb 2009
Total Posts : 216
   Posted 9/15/2009 9:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Sonny why not look at it the other way it might be saying that your incontince will be measured by the drips (like i was) and not by the pad which would be good news all the best of luck in your surgery


 
 
Age 64 From UK now in Thailand Baby boy born 2/14/2009
 First PSA was showing 9.73 on 1/21/09.   on 5/7/09 PSA 9.78  Free PSA 0.83   Free:Total  PSA 0.08 
1/28/09 Biopsy carried out 12 core results show no adenocarcinoma
5/15/0924 Core biopsy results Gleason'S Grade 3+2=5
Involving approx 30% of one out of 12 cores on each side no perineural or angiolymphatic invation identified
One side PIN High Grade Bone scan clear 
Open surgery 7/27/09
Prostate Gland weighting 34 grms
Gleason upgraded to 3+3 Tumour not closeto prostatic capsule Seminal Vesicles not involved by Tumour 6 Lymph Nodes negative for Malignant cells
 


rob2
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Date Joined Apr 2008
Total Posts : 1131
   Posted 9/16/2009 5:22 AM (GMT -6)   
Hang in there. The leak was a diversion from thinking about the surgery! hope all goes well and report back to us as soon as you can. You will be in our thoughts and prayers.
 
Age 49
occupation accountant
PSA increased from 2.6 to 3.5 in one year
biopsy march 2008 - cancer present gleason 7
Robotic Surgery May 9, 2008 - houston, tx
Pathology report -gleason 8, clear margins
12 month  PSA <.04 (low as the machine will go)
continent at 10 weeks (no pads!)
ED is still an issue but getting better


CPA
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   Posted 9/16/2009 5:30 AM (GMT -6)   
Greetings, Sonny.  You are probably on your way by now - trust you had a good diversion with the sink and now a good trip and most importantly that your surgery will go great.  We're praying for you.  David

Diagnosed Dec 2007 during annual routine physical at age 55
PSA doubled from previous year from 1.5 to 3.2
12 biopsies - 2 pos; 2 marginal
Gleason 3+3; upgraded to 4+3 post surgery
RRP 4 Feb 08; both nerves spared
Good pathology - no margins - all encapsulated
Catheter out Feb 13 - pad free Feb 16
PSA every 90 days - ZERO's everytime!
Great wife and family who take very good care of me


Worried Guy
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Date Joined Jul 2009
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   Posted 9/16/2009 5:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Sonny,
May your leakage be as short lived and as easy to solve as your sink's. Good Luck.
Jeff
DX Age 56. First routine PSA test on April 8th: 17.8.
May PSA: 22.6, 3 weeks later: PSA: 23.2.
Biopsy 6/10/09: 7/12 scores positive, Gleason 6=3+3. Bone scan and C/T scan negative.
----------------------------------------------
RP DaVinci -7/21/2009 @ Univ of Roch Medical Center
Left nerve gone, right partial spared.
Catheter removed - 7/31/2009 Pathology report received:
Gleason 3+4=7 Tumor size: 2.5 x 1.8 cm location: both lobes and apex. No Malignancy in Seminal Vesicle, vasa deferentia, lymph nodes 0/13
Extraprostatic extension present; Perineural invasion: present, extensive
Prostate mass 56 grams. Pathologic Stage: pT3aN0MX
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One Month Status:
Potency - 9/7 7 weeks Still no activity
Incontinence - 8/20 3-4 full pads per day
9/7 3-4 full pads per day (I'm going to try cutting down on fluids. Bad idea, I know)
Post Surgery PSA - 9/3 6 weeks - 0.05


LV-TX
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Date Joined Jul 2008
Total Posts : 966
   Posted 9/16/2009 6:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Best of luck to you Sonny...hope you have an easy recovery and will await for your return to this wonderful group of survivors.
You are beating back cancer, so hold your head up with dignity
 
Les
 
Age 58 at Diagnosis
Oct 2006 - PSA 2.6 - DRE Normal
May 2008 - PSA 4.6 - DRE Normal / TRUS normal
July 2008 - Biopsy 4 of 12 Positive 5 - 30% Involved Bilateral w/PNI - Gleason (3+3)6 Stage T1C
Robotic Surgery Sept 18, 2008
Pathology October 1, 2008 - Gleason 7 (3+4) Staged pT2c NO MX - Gland 50 cc
Seminal Vesicles and Lymph Nodes clear
Positive Margins Right Posterior Lobe
PSA 5 week Oct 2008 <.05
                   3 month Jan 2009 .06
                   6 month Apr 2009 .06
                   9 month Jul  2009 .08


Sonny3
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Date Joined Aug 2009
Total Posts : 2447
   Posted 9/16/2009 6:55 AM (GMT -6)   
Thankfully the house had no more surprises for me this morning. Maybe it got wind of my thoughts about selling it.

So I'm leaving for the airport before it changes it's mind.

Thanks for the support guys.

Sonny
60 years old
PSA November 2007 3.0
PSA May 2009 6.4
Diagnosis confirmed July 9, 2009
12 Needle Biopsy = 9 clear , 3 postive
<5%, 90%, 40%
Gleason Score (3+4) 7 in all positive cores
CT Organ Scan - negative
Nuclear Bone Scan - Negative

Surgery set for September 17th, 2009 with Dr. Mani Menon at the Henry Ford Medical Center in Detroit.


lewvino
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Date Joined Jul 2009
Total Posts : 384
   Posted 9/16/2009 7:03 AM (GMT -6)   
Sonny,
On the way to my surgery my Car sprung a leak in the radiator hose. I've been dry so hang in there!

Larry
Father treated for Prostate Cancer in 1997 with Proton Beam - Still doing well.
My Stats
Age at diagnosis 54, PSA 5.1
Biopsy 04/08 12 cores, 5 positive
Gleason 3 Cores at 4+3=7, 2 Cores at 3+4=7
Perineural Invasion Noted on biopsy

Robotic surgery 08/12/09 at Vanderbilt, Nashville TN. 
 
Post Surgery - Dr. Spared 100% of Nerves on the left side.
Estimated that 50 - 70% of the nerves were spared on the right side.
 
Final Path report
20% of the prostate Invovled
Tumor graded at T2C
Overall Gleason 3+4 (7)
Lymph Glands Clear
Positive Margin 1.8 cm in length Noted in Right Apex


geezer99
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Date Joined Apr 2009
Total Posts : 990
   Posted 9/16/2009 8:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Sonny
I suppose that you will have wait awhile to read this, but you need to do more study in the science of predicting the future.
For example in interpreting dreams, images are not what they seem at first: If you dream that you are flying, it actually means that you are going to be having a lot of sex. Dreaming that you are digging a hole means that you will get a big promotion at work.

Karl Jung, in his classic but little read book “A Study on the Interpretation of Plumbing” tells us that persistent leaks, especially in a hidden or confined space, should be interpreted as an omen that you will soon get rich. The leaking water represents money flowing into you wallet. Money that you will, of course, want to share with your friends.

So when you get home from surgery and find that big check waiting in your mailbox, you know who your friends are…
Age at diagnosis 66, PSA 5.5
Biopsy 12/08 12 cores, 8 positive
Gleason 3+4=7
CAT scan, Bone scan 1/09 both negative.

Robotic surgery 03/03/09 Catheter Out 03/08/09
Pathology: Lymph nodes & Seminal vesicles negative
Margins positive, Capsular penetration extensive Gleason 4+3=7
6 weeks: 1 pad/day, 1 pad/night -- mostly dry at night.
10 weeks: no pad at night -- slight leakage day/1 pad.
3 mo. PSA 0.0 - now light pads


Colin45
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Date Joined Feb 2009
Total Posts : 216
   Posted 9/16/2009 9:31 AM (GMT -6)   
Well last time I dreamed that I was going to the urinal all I ended up getting was soaking wet (I was drunk at the time)
 
 
Age 64 From UK now in Thailand Baby boy born 2/14/2009
 First PSA was showing 9.73 on 1/21/09.   on 5/7/09 PSA 9.78  Free PSA 0.83   Free:Total  PSA 0.08 
1/28/09 Biopsy carried out 12 core results show no adenocarcinoma
5/15/0924 Core biopsy results Gleason'S Grade 3+2=5
Involving approx 30% of one out of 12 cores on each side no perineural or angiolymphatic invation identified
One side PIN High Grade Bone scan clear 
Open surgery 7/27/09
Prostate Gland weighting 34 grms
Gleason upgraded to 3+3 Tumour not closeto prostatic capsule Seminal Vesicles not involved by Tumour 6 Lymph Nodes negative for Malignant cells
 


Tony Crispino
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   Posted 9/16/2009 12:48 PM (GMT -6)   
On the other hand,
When an actor takes the stage "break a leg" is a good luck message...

Break a faucet...LOL...I hope all went well...

Tony
 Age 47 (44 when Dx)
Pre-op PSA was 19.8 : Surgery at The City of Hope on February 16, 2007
Gleason 4+3=7, Stage pT3b, N0, Mx
Positive Margins (PM), Extra Prostatic Extension (EPE) : Bilateral Seminal vesicle invasion (SVI)
HT began in May, '07 with Lupron and Casodex 50mg (2 Year ADT)
IMRT radiation for 38 Treatments ending August 3, '07
Current PSA (May 11, 2009): <0.1
 
My Journal is at Tony's Blog  
 
STAY POSITIVE!


pa69
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Date Joined Mar 2009
Total Posts : 260
   Posted 9/16/2009 6:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey! Maybe the leak could be fixed with a little duct tape. I don't imagine the incontinence could be fixed that way though. Good luck with your surgery and you will surely be welcomed on the other side.

Bob
Age 70, First ever PSA 7.8 taken June 2008, Biopsy July 2008, 10 of 12 cores positive, Gleason 3+3=6
da Vinci surgery December 10, 2008, catheter removed December 29 2008
St. Lukes Hospital, Bethlehem, Pa.
Dr. Frank Tamarkin
Prostate weight 73.0 grams, Gleason 3+3=6, stage pT3a
Tumor locations: right anterior apex, right posterior apex to mid
left anterior mid to base, left posterior apex to mid
extensive perineural invasion in right anterior apex, right and left posterior apex to mid
seminal vesicles negative
Three PSA tests undetectable, latest July 18


NV RTRD 2007
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Date Joined Jan 2009
Total Posts : 75
   Posted 9/16/2009 9:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Best wishes. Just think positive and be ready what's the outcome. Every patient is different. As you have already read from this forum, some are luckier than others as far as being continent. I for one still using one pad a day.
Age 54; Age DX 53
PSA: May 07- 2.9; Dec 07-4.3; Jan 2008- 6.1; May 2008- 6.4; Sep 2008- 7.3 ; Sep 2008- 9.6
Bone Scan: Mar 2007- Normal without evidence of metastatic disease.
Biopsy Mar 2008: 6/6 core right gland- No evidence of malignancy; 5/6 core left gland- positive Gleason score 3+3=6 average tumor volume 5 mm.Clinical Stage II.
Transrectal ultrasound at UCSF Jun 2008: 7x14x10 mm hypoechoic lesion in left gland. DRE positive, PSA Density- 0.23 and Prostate volume - 27 CC.
RRP: 4 Dec 2008; Discharged - 8 Dec 2008; Cath removed- 18 Dec 08.
Pathology Report: Prostate- 33 grams; L/R pelvic lymph node -No evidence of malignancy; Right Lobe- No definite tumor; Left Lobe- Adenocarcinoma, Gleason 3+4.
No seminal vesicle invasion or lymphatic invasion i sidentified.
Post PSA: 7 Jan 2009 - <0.05.
10 Mar 2009 -<0.05
07 Sep 2009- <0.05

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