Leak Free Pad Free - 1 year poll

Did you wear a pad when you left your house one year post surgery?
5
Robotic, one year - Yes - 11.6%
20
Robotic, one year - No - 46.5%
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Open, one year - Yes - 4.7%
16
Open, one year - No - 37.2%

 
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Worried Guy
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   Posted 11/17/2009 9:27 AM (GMT -6)   
This is a continuation of the Leak Free Pad Free poll. The previous one was for 3 months.

I just read the interesting article results posted by Modelshipwrght. It is for Robotic surgery only and shows the percentage of men who do not wear pads at 1, 3, 6, 12, 24 months. The numbers were depressingly low (in my opinion). Based on the authors’ strict definition of LFPF continence, they observed that 76% or RP patienets were still wearing pads at one year.

I am wondering how this compares with open surgery.
This poll will be an unscientific study to get an idea if there is a difference between open and robotic. Granted we are not sorting for pathology. We will go by the strict definition of Pad Free ie.,
Did you put on a pad when you left the house in the morning? At one year.

Jeff

I could not do both 3 months and 1 year on one poll. Please look for the 3 month poll nearby.

Post Edited (Worried Guy) : 11/17/2009 7:48:13 AM (GMT-7)


Purgatory
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   Posted 11/17/2009 9:29 AM (GMT -6)   
Are you putting a poll here on this thread, like the 3 months one, if so, I dont see it.
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Latest: 7/9 met 2 rad. oncl, 7/9 cath #6 - blockage, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 out  38 days, 9/9 - met 3rd rad. oncl., mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath/hard dialation, 10/5 - began IMRT SRT - 39 sess/72 gys cath #8 33 days, 11/2- SP Cath #9 in place


cocrgolfer
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   Posted 11/17/2009 9:45 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey Jeff,


Not sure I get this. BTW, where did you see the previous poll by Modelshipwright?

My best to you,



Steve

cocrgolfer
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   Posted 11/17/2009 9:47 AM (GMT -6)   
OK, now I see it.

cocrgolfer
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   Posted 11/17/2009 9:57 AM (GMT -6)   
I found the web-site Modelshipwright referred to. Yeah man, I have to tell you this did NOT make my day. Shocking, really.

Worried Guy
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   Posted 11/17/2009 11:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Guys,

This is turning out to be interesting data! It would be great if everyone entered their info.
It certainly won't help us but it might prove useful interesting for the ones follow the PCa highway.

Personally, I'm interested to see how many guys improve after 3 months. It gives me hope.

Jeff
(I'll write this on the three month survey, too.)

I made a small Excel routine to plot this. I'll update if after a day or two. Please enter your data if you can. I think the running results are available for everyone to see but I'm not sure.

Worried Guy
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   Posted 11/19/2009 5:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Results so far:
VIEW IMAGE

Worried Guy
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   Posted 11/21/2009 7:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Guys,
As of this morning, we have results for 15 Robotic and 11 open surgeries one year after surgery.

At one year, 20% of the Robotics were still wearing pads, while 0% of the open were.

This is still a very small sample so enter your data.
Thanks,
Jeff

jacketch
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   Posted 11/23/2009 5:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Bump for more poll
62yo
V10.46 Dx Feb-09
RRP 5-5-09
No adverse SE
PSA 6-19-09 -0-
PSA 9-21-09 -0-
 
Thriving, not just surviving!
 


Worried Guy
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   Posted 11/23/2009 7:26 PM (GMT -6)   
All,
(This is a resonse to Alfred's excellent observations and comments)

Clearly there is not enough data to make a solid decision. I'd like to see 200 results. We have 44 at 3 month and 27 at 1 year. Even though the sample is still small, I have been tracking the results as the number of samples grew and the rations have been surprisingly consistent.
(To be honest this is a lot more info than I had when I made my decision to go Robotic. I had no incontinence or ED statistics - only the disclaimer warning that it might be possible. I never did see a real comparison with real data. )

You know me, I'd like to see everyone measure their pee pads but some folks might have trouble doing that (or have a life). Also, the poll feature does not allow for more variables so this was the best I could do.

The results seem to match the anecdotal comments and also match the info guys put in their signatures so I am reasonably confident we are not being scammed by someone with an agenda.
Agreed, we do not know the pathologies but hopefully that should average out.

I did find an interesting trend. I had heard that Robotics are at 85% of all surgeries today. The 3 month survey show Robotic to be at 66% and the one year at 55%. Clearly Robotic is growing quickly.

And here's another telling statistic for HW site folks: 61.4% of the responders were from guys that had surgery at least 1 year ago. That shows you how many stick around after the surgery and continue to find the site useful. You must be doing something right.

I hope you can see this summary info:

http://www5.snapfish.com/thumbnailshare/Albumid=607314026/

I case you can't see it here is the summary at 3 months (44 responses) 34% of Robotic vs 13% of open were still wearing pads. At one year (27 responses) 20% of Robotics and 0% of open were wearing pads.

Keep that data coming.
Jeff

Worried Guy
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   Posted 12/7/2009 4:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Here is the latest update:

At 3 months (n=46) 36.7% of Robotic respondents here are wearing pads, while 12.5% of open patients are. 28.3% of patients overall are wearing pads at 3 months.

At 1 year (n=29) 18.8% of Robotic respondents are wearing pads. 0% of open patients are. 10.3% of patents overall are wearing pads at one year.

On a side note, 63% of respondents are coming back to this site more than a year after the surgery. That says a lot for the HealingWell site.

You can see the charts here:
http://www5.snapfish.com/thumbnailshare/Albumid=692955026/

Keep the data coming.
Thanks,
Jeff

(Hey Compiler - Is this too much information?)

John T
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   Posted 12/7/2009 9:15 PM (GMT -6)   
http://prostatecancerinfolink.net/2009/11/23/a-changing-of-the-guard-in-prostate-cancer-research/

Much larger study and more scientific.

JT

64 years old.

PSA rising for 10 years to 40, free psa 10-15. Had 5 urologists, 12 biopsies and MRIS all neg. Doctors DXed BPH and continue to get biopsies yearly. 13th biopsy positive in 10-08, 2 cores of 25, G6 less than 5%. Scheduled for surgery as recommended by Urological Oncologist.

2nd Opinion from Dr Sholtz, a Prostate Oncologist, said DX wrong, pathology shows indolant cancer, but psa history indicates large cancer or metastasis. Futher tests and Color Doppler confirmed large transition zone tumor that 13 biopsies and MRIS missed. G7, 4+3, approx 16mmX18mm.

Combidex MRI in Holland eliminated lymphnode mets. Casodex and Proscar reduced psa to 0.6 and prostate from 60mm to 32mm. Changed diet, no meat and dairy. All staging tests indicate that tumor is local and non agressive. (PAP, PCA3, MRIS, Color Doppler, Combidex, tumor reaction to diet and Casodex, and tumor location in transition zone). Surgery a poor option because tumor is located next to the urethea and positive margin is very likely; permanent incontenance is also high probability with surgery.

Seed implants on 5-19-09, 3 hours door to door, no pain, minor side affects are frequency and urgency; very controlable with Flowmax and lasted 4 weeks. Daily activities resumed day after implants with no restrictions. Gold markers implanted with seeds to guide IMRT.

25 treatments of IMRT 6 weeks after seed implants. No side affects at all.

PSA at end of treatment 0.02 mostly the result of Casodex. When I stop Casodex next week expect PSA to rise. Next PSA in November. Treatments and side affects have greatly exceeded my expectations. Glad to have this 11 year journey finally conclude.

JohnT


Worried Guy
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   Posted 12/7/2009 11:12 PM (GMT -6)   
John T
I went to the site you flagged, found the study of ~8800 cases and the bottom line is: " The authors concluded that “Men undergoing MIRP vs RRP experienced shorter length of stay, fewer respiratory and miscellaneous surgical complications and strictures, and similar postoperative use of additional cancer therapies but experienced more genitourinary complications, incontinence, and erectile dysfunction.” "

I only heard the good things about Robotic... I guess I am a statistic.

Jeff

"The results reported are as follows:

* Use of minimally invasive techniques increased from 9.2 percent of cases in 2003 to 43.2 percent of cases in 2006-2007.
* Men being treated with minimally invasive as opposed to open techniques were more likely to be Asian (6.1 vs 3.2 percent) and less likely to be black (6.2 vs 7.8 percent) or Hispanic (5.6 vs 7.9 percent).
* Men being treated with minimally invasive as opposed to open techniques were more likely to live in areas with > 90 percent high school graduation rates (50.2 vs 41.0 percent) and with median annual incomes of at least $60 000 (35.8 vs 21.5 percent).
* Actual differences in clinical outcome for minimally invasive (MIRP) as opposed to open techniques (RRP) were:
o Median hospital stay — MIRP 2.0 days vs. RRP 3.0 days
o Blood transfusion rates — MIRP 2.7 percent vs RRP 20.8 percent
o Respiratory complications — MIRP 4.3 percent vs RRP 6.6 percent
o Miscellaneous surgical complications — MIRP 4.3 percent vs RRP 5.6 percent
o Anastomotic stricture — MIRP 5.8 percent vs RRP 14.0 percent
o Genitourinary complications — MIRP 4.7 percent vs RRP 2.1 percent
o Incontinence — MIRP 15.9 vs RRP 12.2 per 100 person-years
o Erectile dysfunction — MIRP 26.8 vs 19.2 per 100 person-years
o Use of additional cancer therapies — MIRP 8.2 vs RRP 6.9 per 100 person-years

It is easy to see that there were big benefits to the minimally invasive procedure in terms of less hospital time, fewer blood transfusions, and fewer strictures. There were smaller benefits related to respiratory and miscellaneous surgical complications. By comparison, the minimally invasive procedure was associated with a significant increase in the rate of genitourinary complications and long-term erectile dysfunction; a smaller increase in the rate of incontinence; and no significant change in the rate of additional cancer therapies.

The authors concluded that “Men undergoing MIRP vs RRP experienced shorter length of stay, fewer respiratory and miscellaneous surgical complications and strictures, and similar postoperative use of additional cancer therapies but experienced more genitourinary complications, incontinence, and erectile dysfunction.”
DX Age 56. First routine PSA test on April 8th: 17.8.
May PSA: 22.6, 3 weeks later: PSA: 23.2.
Biopsy 6/10/09: 7/12 scores positive, Gleason 6=3+3. Bone scan and C/T scan negative.
RP DaVinci -7/21/2009 @ Univ of Roch Medical Center
Left nerve gone, right partial spared.
Catheter removed - 7/31/2009 Pathology report received:
Gleason 3+4=7 Tumor size: 2.5 x 1.8 cm location: both lobes and apex. No Malignancy in Seminal Vesicle, vasa deferentia, lymph nodes 0/13
Extraprostatic extension present; Perineural invasion: present, extensive
Prostate mass 56 grams. Pathologic Stage: pT3aN0MX
Post Surgery Status:
Potency - 10/31 3 months, Still no activity, nada, zip
Incontinence - 8/20 4 full pads per day
. 9/7 3-4 full pads per day (I'm going to try cutting down on fluids. Bad idea. I know.)
9/27 2 months: Still 3 pads per day.
11/14 4 month: Still 3 pads per day. 420ml/day, 91 um leak. At this rate I'll be fine in 2012.
Post Surgery PSA - 9/3 6 weeks- 0.05, 10/13 3 months- 0.04 undetectable.


John T
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   Posted 12/8/2009 10:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Worried guy,
There were two studies mentioned in that article. The Reynolds study was a study on incontinence. That is the one I was referring to as it fit with the post. Sorry for the confusion.
JT

64 years old.

PSA rising for 10 years to 40, free psa 10-15. Had 5 urologists, 12 biopsies and MRIS all neg. Doctors DXed BPH and continue to get biopsies yearly. 13th biopsy positive in 10-08, 2 cores of 25, G6 less than 5%. Scheduled for surgery as recommended by Urological Oncologist.

2nd Opinion from Dr Sholtz, a Prostate Oncologist, said DX wrong, pathology shows indolant cancer, but psa history indicates large cancer or metastasis. Futher tests and Color Doppler confirmed large transition zone tumor that 13 biopsies and MRIS missed. G7, 4+3, approx 16mmX18mm.

Combidex MRI in Holland eliminated lymphnode mets. Casodex and Proscar reduced psa to 0.6 and prostate from 60mm to 32mm. Changed diet, no meat and dairy. All staging tests indicate that tumor is local and non agressive. (PAP, PCA3, MRIS, Color Doppler, Combidex, tumor reaction to diet and Casodex, and tumor location in transition zone). Surgery a poor option because tumor is located next to the urethea and positive margin is very likely; permanent incontenance is also high probability with surgery.

Seed implants on 5-19-09, 3 hours door to door, no pain, minor side affects are frequency and urgency; very controlable with Flowmax and lasted 4 weeks. Daily activities resumed day after implants with no restrictions. Gold markers implanted with seeds to guide IMRT.

25 treatments of IMRT 6 weeks after seed implants. No side affects at all.

PSA at end of treatment 0.02 mostly the result of Casodex. When I stop Casodex next week expect PSA to rise. Next PSA in November. Treatments and side affects have greatly exceeded my expectations. Glad to have this 11 year journey finally conclude.

JohnT


Worried Guy
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   Posted 12/13/2009 8:50 AM (GMT -6)   
All
Here is our data so far with a total of 86 responses.
There is a larger, more scientific, (and no doubt funded) study that shows similar incontinence results after Robotic vs open surgery..
http://www.psa-rising.com/mednews/surgery/95-mirp-1109
The study tracked surgeries performed from 2001 -2006 with 2 year follow up.
open beat Robotic for incontinence and Ed performance. Similar to what I have found here with my ~90 responses.
The results from our unscientific study here show that at 3 months you are 2.5x more likely to be wearing a pad if you had Robotic surgery. At one year, only Robotic patients were still wearing pads.
The good news is that at 3 months 67% are continent and at one year 91% are continent.
For my fellow three month leakers, 2/3 of us will be dry at one year. Don't give up.
I'll keep the posts going to collect more data.
Jeff
(You can click the Snapfish link in a previous posting to see the data plot.)

John T
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   Posted 12/13/2009 1:07 PM (GMT -6)   
A recent released study by Reynolds on 1500 robotic surgery patients gives the best indication of incontinence:
http://prostatecancerinfolink.net/2009/11/16/strict-leak-and-pad-free-continence-after-ralp-is-this-the-real-truth/

Using the standard "leak free, Pad free":
4% 1 months
9% 3 months'
17% 6 months
24% 12 months'
28% 24 months

At 2 years:
28% LFPF
40% pad free, not leak free
22% wear security pad
10% significant incontinence
Very little improvement after 24 months.
JT

64 years old.

PSA rising for 10 years to 40, free psa 10-15. Had 5 urologists, 12 biopsies and MRIS all neg. Doctors DXed BPH and continue to get biopsies yearly. 13th biopsy positive in 10-08, 2 cores of 25, G6 less than 5%. Scheduled for surgery as recommended by Urological Oncologist.

2nd Opinion from Dr Sholtz, a Prostate Oncologist, said DX wrong, pathology shows indolant cancer, but psa history indicates large cancer or metastasis. Futher tests and Color Doppler confirmed large transition zone tumor that 13 biopsies and MRIS missed. G7, 4+3, approx 16mmX18mm.

Combidex MRI in Holland eliminated lymphnode mets. Casodex and Proscar reduced psa to 0.6 and prostate from 60mm to 32mm. Changed diet, no meat and dairy. All staging tests indicate that tumor is local and non agressive. (PAP, PCA3, MRIS, Color Doppler, Combidex, tumor reaction to diet and Casodex, and tumor location in transition zone). Surgery a poor option because tumor is located next to the urethea and positive margin is very likely; permanent incontenance is also high probability with surgery.

Seed implants on 5-19-09, 3 hours door to door, no pain, minor side affects are frequency and urgency; very controlable with Flowmax and lasted 4 weeks. Daily activities resumed day after implants with no restrictions. Gold markers implanted with seeds to guide IMRT.

25 treatments of IMRT 6 weeks after seed implants. No side affects at all.

PSA at end of treatment 0.02 mostly the result of Casodex. When I stop Casodex next week expect PSA to rise. Next PSA in November. Treatments and side affects have greatly exceeded my expectations. Glad to have this 11 year journey finally conclude.

JohnT


Worried Guy
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   Posted 12/13/2009 6:03 PM (GMT -6)   
John
Those results are only for Robotic surgeries. open was not included - or at least I could not find any. Those are depressing numbers. Maybe their standard is too rigorous. I wonder how many men leak without any kind of surgery. I'd like to see the comparison between open and Robotic with these standards.
For all you guys who were dry from day one I say: You are lucky b*stards indeed!
Jeff
And please don't tell me you have fathered triplets since the surgery. That would put me right over the edge.
DX Age 56. First routine PSA test on April 8th: 17.8. Start 2 weeks of Cipro to rule out protatitis.
May PSA: 22.6, 3 weeks later: PSA: 23.2.
Biopsy 6/10/09: 7/12 scores positive, Gleason 6=3+3. Bone scan and C/T scan negative.
RP DaVinci -7/21/2009 @ Univ of Roch Medical Center
Left nerve gone, right partial spared.
Catheter removed - 7/31/2009 Pathology report received:
Gleason 3+4=7 Tumor size: 2.5 x 1.8 cm location: both lobes and apex. No Malignancy in Seminal Vesicle, vasa deferentia, lymph nodes 0/13
Extraprostatic extension present; Perineural invasion: present, extensive
Prostate mass 56 grams. Pathologic Stage: pT3aN0MX
Post Surgery Status:
Potency - 12/11 5 months, Still no activity, zip. Using pump daily since 11/11.
Incontinence - 8/20 4 full pads per day
.. 9/7 3-4 full pads per day (I'm going to try cutting down on fluids. Bad idea. I know.)
. 9/27 2 months: Still 3 pads per day.
11/14 4 months: Still 3 pads per day. 420ml/day, 91 um leak.
12/11 5 months: Still 3 pads per day. 400-450ml/day Experimenting with Nyquil.
Post Surgery PSA - 9/3 6 weeks - 0.05; 10/13 3 months - 0.04 undetectable.


Worried Guy
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   Posted 3/22/2010 6:06 AM (GMT -6)   
Bump
It has been three months since I last sent this around. It's time for an update.

Post Edited (Worried Guy) : 3/22/2010 5:09:14 AM (GMT-6)


Arnie
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   Posted 3/22/2010 8:04 AM (GMT -6)   
As a robotic guy, I've been pad-free since the 3-month mark, and remain so at one year. Do you tabulate the answers, or is there a place where I can enter my data?---Thanks, Arnie
Age 56 (biopsy & surgery)
PSA at Diagnosis-3.9
Biposy 8/19/08--4 of 12 cores positive; 5% involvement, Gleason 6 (3+3)
 
Surgery 1/26/09-DaVinci Robotic Prostatectomy at Presbyterian Medical Center/HUP-Phila, PA
Dr. David Lee
 
Pathology Report- Adenocarcinoma, no capsular involvement, seminal vesicles clear, lymph nodes clear, negative margins, Gleason 7 (3+4), Stage T2C, NO MX, Prostate 61.8 grams, gland involvement 2-10%
 
Catheter removed after 8 days, totally dry at 3 months. ED issues continue, Viagra (via ADC) nightly (100mgs), VED use in earnest at 6 months. "Ball Park Frank" plumping at this point......ED at 10 months continues to improve, albeit slowly. Continued daily use of 100mg Viagra (ADC). Discontinued pump use; manual stimulation to varying states of erections; achieved penetratable erection on a couple of occasions----At 13 months, nocturnal erections are frequent. Still taking 100mg of ADC Viagra nightly. Libido still in the dumper, but working on it with doctors.
3 month PSA--<0.1
6 month PSA--<0.1
10 month PSA--<0.1
13 monthPSA--<0.1


Ed C. (Old67)
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   Posted 3/22/2010 8:31 AM (GMT -6)   
I had robotic surgery. I wore no pad at the one year mark.
Age: 67 at Dx on 12/30/08
PSA 9/05 1.15; 8/06 1.45; 12/07 2.41; 8/08 3.9; 11/08 3.5 free PSA 11%
2 cores out of 12 were positive Gleason (4+4) and (4+5)
Negative CT scan and bone scan done on 1/16
Robotic surgery performed 2/9/09 Dr Fagin, Austin TX
Pathology report:
Prostate weighed 57 grams size:5.2 x 5.0 x 4.9 cm
Posterior lateral lesions measuring 1.5 x 1.4 x 1.0 cm showing focal capsular penetration over a distance of 3mm in circumference.
Prostatic adenocarciroma accounts for approx. 10-20% of the hemisphere.
Gleason 4+4
both nerve bundles removed,
pT3a Nx Mx, Negative margins
seminal vesicles clean, lymph nodes: not dissected
continent after 4 months
8 weeks PSA test 4/7/09 result <0.1
5 months PSA test 7/9/09 result <0.1
8 months PSA test 10/9/09 result <0.1
11.5 months test 1/21/10 result 0.004


Worried Guy
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   Posted 3/22/2010 3:25 PM (GMT -6)   
For the new guys.

Were you able to enter your information on the poll, page 1, at the top? Let me know if you are locked out and I will redo it.
Jeff

Casey59
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   Posted 3/22/2010 3:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Jeff, neither of the polls are open for additional responses...

Worried Guy
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   Posted 3/22/2010 3:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Casey. I'll redo it.
Jeff

goodlife
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   Posted 3/22/2010 3:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Not sure if it took it or not, but I cheated a little anyway. I lied about a year. It's only been 11 months and 8 days, but I am pad free !
Goodlife
 
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared, but carved up a little.
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks .
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)
5 month PSA <.03 (undetectable)
6 Month PSA <.01
1 pad a day, no progress on ED.  Trimix injection
No pads, 1/1/10,  9 month PSA < .01


Casey59
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   Posted 3/22/2010 4:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Worried Guy said...
Thanks Casey. I'll redo it.
Jeff
Hey Jeff,
 
It's possible that I already responsed to the poll and that would be why it doesn't appear available to me now....
 
I probably did previously respond (I don't actually recall), so my input earlier today may, therefore, have been incorrect.
 
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