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Date Joined Feb 2009
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   Posted 12/11/2009 6:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Last December PSA Level was 8.6 and had
Biopsy with2%of one core with Cancer. Treatment
has been 6 month PSA and Rectal Exam. They
strongly recommend Biopsy every year also but the
issue with first Biopsy was blood in urine for over
1-2 months.  Asked doctor if I could wait another
six months before doing another biopsy and said
OK.   Was this a wise decision?  Thanks......

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Date Joined Sep 2008
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   Posted 12/11/2009 7:02 PM (GMT -6)   

Dear Negative:

Personally, I don't think it was a wise decision.  Most programs for active surveillance include an annual biopsy.  Here is a link to the Johns Hopkins Urology web site and their program.

As you can see, they recommend annual biopsies.  The purpose is to see whether or not your cancer has changed such that treatment is recommended or you can remain in surveillance mode.

If it was me, I would do the annual biopsies.  BTW, the blood in urine and ejaculate is perfectly normal.  Also, I don't know whether or not you found the biopsy painful but, if so, you can have it done under sedation...


Age 62, Gleason 4 +3 = 7, T1C, PSA 4.2, 2 of 16 cores cancerous, 27cc
Brachytherapy December 9, 2008.  73 Iodine-125 seeds.  Procedure went great, catheter out before I went home, only minor discomfort.  Regular activities resumed, everything continues to function normally as of 12/09.  6 month PSA 1.4 and now 1 year PSA at 1.0.  My docs are "delighted"!

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Date Joined Oct 2008
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   Posted 12/11/2009 7:25 PM (GMT -6)   

I fully agree with Tudpock. If you are watching your situation you need to have those biopsies on a very regular basis.
I agree, the blood may be unsettling, but its not harmful. I had my last 2 biopsies only 6 weeks apart, and it wasnt so
bad. Please keep us posted.

David in SC
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Latest: 7/9 met 2 rad. oncl, 7/9 cath #6 - blockage, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 out  38 days, 9/9 - met 3rd rad. oncl., mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath/hard dialation, 10/5 - began IMRT SRT - 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 in 35 days, 12/7/9 - Cath #10 in place

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Date Joined Jun 2008
Total Posts : 407
   Posted 12/11/2009 8:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Wise, unwise?  We can't say which. If I were in your shoes I would follow the advice of the medical professionals.  But, at the end of the day . . . it's your life and you're the only person who can assign a value to it. 

Age:  60 (58 at diagnosis - June, 2008)

April '08 PSA 4.8 ("free PSA" 7.9), up from 3.5 year prior

June '08 had biopsy, 2 days later told results positive but in less than 1% of sample

Gleason's 3+3=6

Developed sepsis 2 days post-biopsy, seriously ill in hospital for 3 days

Dr. recommended robotic removal using da Vinci

Surgery 9/10/08

Northwestern Memorial Hospital, Chicago, IL

Dr. Robert Nadler, Urologist/Surgeon

Post-op Gleason's:  3+3, Tertiary 4

Margins:  Free

Bladder & Urethral:  Free

Seminal vesicles:  Not involved

Lymphatic/Vascular Invasion:  Not involved

Tumor:  T2c; Location:  Bilateral; Volume:  20%

Catheter:  Removed 12-days after surgery

Incontinent:  Yes (1/2 light pads per day)

Combination of Cialis and MUSE (alprostadil) three times weekly started 9-27-08

Returned to work 9-29-08 (18-19 days post-op)

PSA test result, post-op, 10/08: 0.0; 12/08: 0.0; 4/09: 0.0; 9/09: 0.0


John T
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Date Joined Nov 2008
Total Posts : 4170
   Posted 12/11/2009 9:00 PM (GMT -6)   
consider getting a color doppler ultrasound. It will tell you more than a biopsy and once you establish a base line, biopsies are only given if there is a change.

64 years old.

PSA rising for 10 years to 40, free psa 10-15. Had 5 urologists, 12 biopsies and MRIS all neg. Doctors DXed BPH and continue to get biopsies yearly. 13th biopsy positive in 10-08, 2 cores of 25, G6 less than 5%. Scheduled for surgery as recommended by Urological Oncologist.

2nd Opinion from Dr Sholtz, a Prostate Oncologist, said DX wrong, pathology shows indolant cancer, but psa history indicates large cancer or metastasis. Futher tests and Color Doppler confirmed large transition zone tumor that 13 biopsies and MRIS missed. G7, 4+3, approx 16mmX18mm.

Combidex MRI in Holland eliminated lymphnode mets. Casodex and Proscar reduced psa to 0.6 and prostate from 60mm to 32mm. Changed diet, no meat and dairy. All staging tests indicate that tumor is local and non agressive. (PAP, PCA3, MRIS, Color Doppler, Combidex, tumor reaction to diet and Casodex, and tumor location in transition zone). Surgery a poor option because tumor is located next to the urethea and positive margin is very likely; permanent incontenance is also high probability with surgery.

Seed implants on 5-19-09, 3 hours door to door, no pain, minor side affects are frequency and urgency; very controlable with Flowmax and lasted 4 weeks. Daily activities resumed day after implants with no restrictions. Gold markers implanted with seeds to guide IMRT.

25 treatments of IMRT 6 weeks after seed implants. No side affects at all.

PSA at end of treatment 0.02 mostly the result of Casodex. When I stop Casodex next week expect PSA to rise. Next PSA in November. Treatments and side affects have greatly exceeded my expectations. Glad to have this 11 year journey finally conclude.


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Date Joined Nov 2006
Total Posts : 883
   Posted 12/12/2009 6:58 AM (GMT -6)   
I did not see your age. But that would be a major factor in my decision if it were me. I would probably try some of the other testing methods or even a saturation biopsy with many more samples taken.
You have to do what you feel is right for you.
Good Luck,
    43 at Dx and Surgery (RRP)
    PSA 5.7, Biopsy 3 of 12 positive (up to 75%) all on left side of prostate, Gleason 7
    RRP on Oct. 17, 2006 - Nerves on right side saved. All Lab's clear. 
    Cathiter in for 28 days due to complications in healing. Removed Nov. 9, 2006
     Dec. 2006 – Oct. 2008 Cystoscope, Two Collagen injections,Second Opinion   
    Consultation for Incontinance at OU Medical Center, Bio-Feedback       
    training, Chiropractic, Accupuncture , AdVance Male Sling, Two More Collagen 
    injections, AUS Installed and Activated (Dr. Morey at UT Southwestern Dallas TX)
    All to try to resolve incontinence (using 6-8 Depends Guards a day)

    To Date All PSA's 0.00.

Veteran Member

Date Joined Apr 2009
Total Posts : 990
   Posted 12/12/2009 3:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Besides your age, the other question is what has your PSA been doing? As far as the 12 month biopsy -- no one can tell. Some PC can be so slow that this is too soon, but for the first follow-up you may not want to take that bet.
Age at diagnosis 66, PSA 5.5
Biopsy 12/08 12 cores, 8 positive
Gleason 3+4=7
CAT scan, Bone scan 1/09 both negative.

Robotic surgery 03/03/09 Catheter Out 03/08/09
Pathology: Lymph nodes & Seminal vesicles negative
Margins positive, Capsular penetration extensive Gleason 4+3=7
6 weeks: 1 pad/day, 1 pad/night -- mostly dry at night.
10 weeks: no pad at night -- slight leakage day/1 pad.
3 mo. PSA 0.0 - now light pads
6 mo. PSA 0.00 -- 1 light pad/day

Cajun Jeff
Veteran Member

Date Joined Mar 2009
Total Posts : 4069
   Posted 12/12/2009 3:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Just my 2 cents. What is PSA doing? If moving up then I would do a biopsy! I would not want that C to take off running and get me in trouble. I will state one more time "This is my 2 cents worth" In reality only you can make the decision which way to deal with this stuff. Always know the consequences for you actions.

Best of luck we are in your corner!

Jeff T
Jeff T Age 57

9/08 PSA 5.4, referred to Urologist
9/08 Biopsy: GS 3/4=7
10/08 Nerve sparing open RRP- Path Report: GS 3+3=7 Stg. pT2c, margins clear
3 mts: PSA .05 undetectable

10th month PSA <0.01
1year psa <0.01
ED- 5 mg Cialis daily, pump daily, going to try MUSE next. Next step injections.

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