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lostsoul62
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   Posted 12/20/2009 9:22 PM (GMT -6)   
I've had prostate problems most of my life and I know that I am more than likely going to end up with prostate cancer. I drink cranberry and oragan juice but what can I eat and drink or what foods to stay away from. I know coffee and soda are a no no. That's about all I know for food and drink. I heard that beans aren't good but I don't know.

goodlife
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   Posted 12/20/2009 9:47 PM (GMT -6)   
In my opinion, there are some foods that may help your prostate help, but there is no conclusive proof that anything will prevent cancer.

Pomegranet juice, flax seed, tomatos (lycopene), walnuts, and a whole lot of other foods are good things. Red meat is generally thought to be bad, and the list of bad things goes on and on.

Probably at this stage of your life, the best you can do is get regular and thourogh checkups, establish a baseline PSA, and catch it early. Odds are 1 in 6 you will get prostate cancer as a matter of statistics. Early diagnosis and proper treatment will make it a disease that you can live with for many, many years.

Goodlife
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared, but carved up a little.
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks .
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)
5 month PSA <.03 (undetectable)
6 Month PSA <.01
1 pad a day, no progress on ED.  Trimix injections


Casey59
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   Posted 12/20/2009 10:11 PM (GMT -6)   

I think your question is very wise.  I take a very different view than the prior repsonse, which seems to simply leave it to the 1-in-6 overall statistics and discounts taking proactive steps to push the odds in your favor.

With your awareness of your existing prostate issues, I recommend the work of Dr Charles "Snuffy" Myers who many consider the leading phyician expert on nutrition and prostate cancer.  Dr Myers is, himself, a PC patient facing a challenging case for 10 years.  He is author of "Beating Prostate Cancer:  Hormonal Therapy & Diet" and earlier co-autohr of "Eating Your Way to Better Health - the Prostate Forum Nutrition Guide," a former NIH researcher, a former Director of the U. of Virginia Cancer Center, with a large practice devoted to prostate cancer.

Want more info?  Google:  "Dr Charles Myers" & "prostate cancer" and "diet"


MrGimpy
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   Posted 12/21/2009 7:07 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Lostsoul62,

Sounds like for one that if you had prostate problems all your life that you should have some idea what is wrong and dr's would have told you what to eat.

Ground Flax seeds are great for your heart and colon, not sure about a prostate problem, but as you know the better your heart is the better you are, so thats a great 1st start

Next go nuts on eating "nuts". Walnuts also are great for your heart, blood pressure and overall heart as the are very high in both Omega -3 and L-Arginine ( non salted varieties are best)

Go wild over fish, Wild caught Salmon (not farm raised) is also fantastic for you as it also contains heart saving Omega-3's and anti-inflammatory properties

Think colorful when you shop. oranges, apples, pears, green veggies ( broccoli), red, green and orange peppers, make a nice super healthy snack

Think about that drink, alcohol should be limited to one glass of red wine a day, Soda is out, water by the gallons should be your staple. Cranberry juices can have a lot of sugar and case more problems that they can help, check whats in what you drink

Ride a bike, STOP, the seat is murder on your prostate
Stats:
Age: 52
PSA (2008)=1.9
Biopsy on Jan 09, 2009
One (1) out of twelve (12) cores was positive, plus external nodule found
Gleason Score = 3+3
Surgery (Da Vinci, robotic prostatectomy): 4/7/09
Removed Catheter: 04/19/09
100% bladder control - Pad free 7/09
PSA 7/09 undetectable, under .0


goodlife
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   Posted 12/21/2009 9:18 AM (GMT -6)   
In my earlier post, I didn't mean to imply that good eating was a useless exercise.

The problem is, many of our current day problems are the result of 50 years of eating and drinking habits. Much of the damage is done. It's like putting new oil in your car after not changing it for 50,000 miles. The bearings are already worn.

Goodlife
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared, but carved up a little.
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks .
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)
5 month PSA <.03 (undetectable)
6 Month PSA <.01
1 pad a day, no progress on ED.  Trimix injections


Casey59
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   Posted 12/21/2009 11:00 AM (GMT -6)   

lostsoul62, let me put it another way in order to offer you further encouragement and support…

Those who are unwilling or unable to make lifestyle changes in diet will not improve their odds (see stats in prior email), but those who can and do make the commitment to change can have an immediate impact on prostate health as well as their overall health and quality of life.  A heart-healthy diet will cover most of the prostate cancer bases, too.

You mentioned drinking cranberry juice.  Did you know that pomegranate juice is an example which can make a striking impact on prostate health?  PSA Doubling Time (PSADT) is probably not something someone like yourself—someone who does not have prostate cancer—knows much about, but it is a well-known measurement of concern for those who do have PC as it shows the aggressiveness of the cancer.  Pomegranate juice has been demonstrated to significantly reduce PSADT (presented at the National Conference on Prostate Cancer, held Sept 12-13, 2009 in Los Angeles).

Want to commit to changes in diet?  In addition to the reading recommendation I previously made, also see:  What Color is Your Diet?”, by Dr David Heber, who is also co-author of the pomegranate juice study. 

Remember, it takes a commitment to change…


medved
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   Posted 12/21/2009 11:28 AM (GMT -6)   
I have been asking similar questions recently of some experts. Not surprisingly, you get different views from different experts. Seems par for the course in prostate-related matters. Some have suggested "eat a hearty-healthy diet." That's probably a good idea anyway. Others have made more specific suggestions. Yet others have warned me off certain substances that MAY "artificially" reduce psa, and therefore potentially mask prostate cancer, such as saw palmetto. I have also been warned off flax seeds, which some say reduced prostate cancer risk but others say increases it. After considering the various opinions, and doing a little reading (but not enough; I am far from an expert on any of this), I have personally decided to: stop eating red meat, minimize consumption of dairy, eat very few eggs (nearly zero), eat low saturated fats, eat lots of fruit and vegetables, eat fish about 3x a week, increase fiber and decrease white flour products, eat tomato sauce at least once a week, drink a glass of red wine every day (and a second one if I think I deserve it!), drink an 8 oz glass of pomegranate juice every day, drink green tea every day, take 1000 i.u. of Vitamin D3 every day, and cheat occassionally (though very rarely), so that I don't drive myself nuts. I am considering starting curcumin supplementation, but I may instead just add tumeric to my foods.

By the way, I am interested in the view experessed above that coffee is bad for prostate and that beans are bad. I had not heard those before. Can someone point me to medical evidence to support that? (I am not disputing it -- I just like to make these decisions based on medical evidence).


Age 45.  Father died of p ca. 
My psa starting age 40: 1.4, 1.3, 1.43, 1.74, 1.7, 1.5
 


Ziggy9
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   Posted 12/21/2009 11:34 AM (GMT -6)   
goodlife said...
In my earlier post, I didn't mean to imply that good eating was a useless exercise.

The problem is, many of our current day problems are the result of 50 years of eating and drinking habits. Much of the damage is done. It's like putting new oil in your car after not changing it for 50,000 miles. The bearings are already worn.

Goodlife


I have to agree a few months won't change what was wrought after decades. But there is always that desire for that magic supplement. I question that quoted pomegranet study for we all heard the same things from lycopene to peppers that were later found to be of little good. I guess it's human nature to wish for that easily administered miracle food/supplement. Then there's the reality of the food chain where yes in theory fish are wonderful in nutrtition only if you disregard more and more studies of mercury contamination of them. That said healthy eating of course will be of some benefit just not curative.

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 12/21/2009 11:48 AM (GMT -6)   
Lostsoul62,
I second any recommendation of a heart healthy diet with exercise. If you are heavy, try to get light, if you eat poorly, pay attention to the "health menus". I agree with the Myers dietary suggestion with a word of caution. Supplementations have not been shown to control the onset of prostate cancer at all. In fact in controlled studies, selenium and vitamin E, both recommended in the Myers book, failed miserably in controlling onset of prostate cancer. In fact, for some reason, selenium is tied to more aggressive prostate cancer in the control arm with dietary increases or supplementations.

There may be other good things with these supplements, but there also may be other bad things too. We just don't have that data as those who make supplements are not bound by the same requirements as pharmaceuticals to prove their claims. We do know that most supplements, unless there are serious deficiencies in your body (due to unhealthy diets mostly), will end up in your waste along with every dollar spent on them.

In a nutshell, do the smart thing and be healthy. Your prostate will benefit by that practice along with everything else that makes you tick...

Tony
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JoeyG
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   Posted 12/21/2009 11:56 AM (GMT -6)   
I don't know if coffee is bad; I would think if you like coffee, drink it black with no sugar. Better yet, drink green tea.
 
As to beans - I have never heard anything negative about beans. in fact, in meatless diets, beans are a primary food. I believe the Ornish diet recommends beans very highly. And they are good for the heart :-)
Age -57; Diagnosed 10/05 PSA 13.4 GS 9 Organ confined (T2B)
Cryoablation 4/06 Allegheny Hosp-Dr Ralph Miller (Cohen/Miller)
Post Cryo Nadir 8/06 0.2
Rising steadily to 0.7 4/09 :-(
Steady at 0.7 (7/09) (Pomegranate???)
Looking to take next steps soon
Hoping to qualify for salvage cryo or radiation


Casey59
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   Posted 12/21/2009 1:01 PM (GMT -6)   

By the way, dietary and exercise aren’t just good for those like lostsoul62 who are trying to prevent the first occurrence of PC…those lifestyle changes can also help tip the odds favorably for those seeking to prevent recurrence of PC…

Please don’t mistakenly believe that one can prevent PC just by diet, exercise or supplements alone, but growing evidence says these steps can lower your risk and improve your odds.  (The phrase “growing evidence” is one of the terms medical researchers use in their publications in such complex studies when the issue is not simply black or white, or a 0 or a 1.)  One can acknowledge the “growing evidence” or ignore it.

Here’s yet another good reading source (this one online) with specific recommendations for PC prevention:

http://www.zerocancer.org/site/PageServer?pagename=detect_prevent_home

 


medved
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   Posted 12/22/2009 10:45 PM (GMT -6)   
As I noted above, I am one of those trying to a eat better diet.  But whomever said it is not black and white is right.  For example, here's one study suggesting that the sorts of things I am doing diet-wise may have no impact on the likelihood of prostate cancer (though there are some apparent problems with this study, including it being less than clear what the study participants were actually eating -- giving people brochures does not control what they eat, unless, of course, you force them to eat the brochure, which may have high fiber content!):
 
 
 
Age 45.  Father died of p ca. 
My psa starting age 40: 1.4, 1.3, 1.43, 1.74, 1.7, 1.5
 


Purgatory
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   Posted 12/23/2009 12:05 AM (GMT -6)   
I will weigh in with my standard answer on what I feel on the subject, and it is based on the opinions of my long term GP, my uro/surgeon, and my radiation oncologist.

(Disclaimer: being on a heart healthy or Mederteranian type diet would have good overall health aspects for any person)

As far as diet, my radiation doc says that the cat is already out of the bag, even if a certain food, tea, juice, etc could be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to improve things, by the time you are dx with cancer, it would way to late to help. She said a lot of men jump on that wagon because they either feel false guilt for getting cancer, or they want to feel like they have somesay so or control in the cancer.

As far as supplements, and i have discussed this at length with all 3 different types of my doctors, including the dietician at the oncology rehab program I am about to start, is that none of them can be proven to help pre or post cancer dx. I think my GP said it correctly, when he said that all men end up with is having expensive urine.

They agreed that there is nothing wrong with cancer being a wake up call to healthier choices and lifestyle changes. Doesnt mean you give up on life and not even try. All agreed, that quitting smoking is still the number 1 health change you can make, if you are a current smoker. I have noticed whenever that subject has been mentioned here at HW, it gets dropped real fast. All the dietary changes or supplement use will never have the single ability to help your remaining life as much as quitting smoking. All my doctors agree with that.

I know my answer won't be the popular one in this case. We all have our vices (mine is sweets) and I am trying to learn moderation there, and no, I don't have or have ever had any problem with diabetes.

In the end, each of us will do what we think is right for ourselves. And will never agree to the merits or lack of merits with the dietary and/or supplement changes.

David in SC
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA:
Latest: 7/9 met 2 rad. oncl, 7/9 cath #6 - blockage, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 out 38 days, 9/9 - met 3rd rad. oncl., mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath/hard dialation, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, 12/7 - Cath #10 in place


Rolerbe
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   Posted 12/23/2009 12:45 AM (GMT -6)   
The trouble with the studies, which leads to the 'growing evidence' statement is that it is very, very difficult to control the experiments themselves, e.g. natural substances like foods vary quite a lot from one sample to another which widens the variance in the data, and its difficult to even design and execute an appropriate study. The 'gold standard', the double blind, randomized trial is hard to set up, hard to recruit sufficient numbers for, and takes a long time to perform. And then, everyone in the study goes out and eats other (uncontrolled) meals anyway, LOL. So, its very slow going to accumulate a preponderence of evidence that can actually be believed.

Expecting diet to be curative or fully protective is certainly going too far, but some things seem to be clear and make sense -- decreased red meats, lower fats, more complex carbs (veggies), anti-oxidant rich foods, etc. Eating well and healthy certainly makes sense, not just for PCa. So, if you are willing and able, it certainly can't hurt, and could possibly help to increase towards those foods that are at least suggestive of being protective. You have to eat something after all, might as well be the good somethings.
51 YO
PSA at Dx: 8.2
DaVinci RALP: 10/31/08 -- Great MD in New Haven, CT
Negative margins, no extra-capsular involvement
One nerve spared
PSA at 0 for just over a year now.
 
 

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