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Tony Crispino
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   Posted 12/28/2009 2:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Doting Daughter,James and myself are always on the lookout for spammers here, but we don't always guess right on who is spamming and who isn't. There are some obvious things we look for.

Here are some of what we look for:
1> A first post with a weblink to a site selling anything. New members don't have that luxury here and they will be removed.
2> A website from anybody that does not have a legitimate mailing address or phone number yet is more than happy to let you post your credit card information. Legitimate websites will let you send a check and provide you company information that can be verified.
3> False or unsubstantiated claims. You have all seen studies used to promote an unusual product. I see it all the time that someone bottles up vitamins and labels them for prostate cancer treatment. They usually fail the spamming criteria under items 1 and 2 above.

If you suspect a spammer, please let the moderators deal with it. Our Emails are open and we'll jump on it. There are times that a person shows up and they are not spamming but that they appear suspicious. A little further background checking will reveal the truth. Sometimes we may misunderstand a new member and that can be a terrible thing.

Thank you for understanding.

Tony

Post Edited By Moderator (James C.) : 12/28/2009 3:33:01 PM (GMT-7)


BillyMac
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   Posted 12/28/2009 4:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Mea culpa Tony,
You are right, there would be nothing worse than to be unwelcoming and give a new member a hard time. But genuine new members have one thing in common..............they are all concerned one way or another about PCa, either their own or that of a loved one. They may not have the experience to give stats but the concern and desire for information always shows through with a genuine new member. When a newbie does not mention PCa, nor voice any concern about it, but immediately and forcefully pushes a product or obviously has another agenda, alarm bells ring loudly. I for one find these low-lifes particularly offensive and find it very difficult not to let them have it. But as usual you are correct, it is not my place to do so, so in future I will have to still my itching fingers. nono By the way what happened to that last thread?
Bill

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   Posted 12/28/2009 4:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Billy, there's no harm in any of us being suspicious when reasons warrant, and no reason we can't flag the post for the Admin to spot.

David in SC
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
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Tony Crispino
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   Posted 12/28/2009 5:53 PM (GMT -6)   
I do agree that you can at anytime use the Admin alert key if you suspect a person is spamming the site. You can also let a moderator know as well. We do have the ability to edit any unwelcome messages of solicitation and we are available in our forum more frequently than our Admin is.

Bill,
To answer your question about the thread by BrainDaed, it was deleted by our Admin. I mentioned it to our Admin after the fact that I saw no advertising of websites or phone numbers and he did post that he was dealing with a PCa scare. He also used an Email address consistent with an individual not a business and I have Emailed him. As you know most spammers don't usually do so and they are freewheeling with websites and phone numbers. He also requested the thread be removed himself which is totally out of a typical spammers character.

Tony
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James C.
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   Posted 12/28/2009 6:09 PM (GMT -6)   
This is exactly the reason why caution should be used by anyone who wishes to accuse others of spammers activity. It isn't a very good welcome for someone who is legitimately posting for the first few times to be suspected and dragged thru the mud just on 'suspicions' by the members. As Tony said, the function of moderator involves determining who is a spammer and who isn't, and unless you really know and understand the criteria we and the owner uses, then you can really mess up a guys start with us by going off half-cocked and uninformed. I am sorry that I missed the exchange and that I might have had an opportunity to prevent a valid member from being dumped.

I hope braindaed will give us another chance and come back. You have a need and I apologize if you were mistreated.
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24 mts: PSA's: .04 each test since surgery, ED Continues-Bimix .3ml PRN or Trimix .15ml PRN


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   Posted 12/28/2009 8:03 PM (GMT -6)   
James i apoligise ..when i got to thread there was 2 posts asking mod to intervene i alerted Peter and went on my way ...i am sorry if i stepped on toes..will not happen again..i was only mod on..sorry to all pca mods..lyn..i apologise to all concerned...lyn


                          
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Post Edited (Howlyncat) : 12/29/2009 1:41:15 PM (GMT-7)


geezer99
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   Posted 12/28/2009 10:09 PM (GMT -6)   
I guess that I should own up for a post (which you all can't see since the thread was deleted) in which I suggested that BrainDaed was not using sigs according to our rules and that if he wanted to be here he should change his to indicate his personal connection with PC. So if Howlyncat was off base, I helped to give her a push

geezer..thank you for that but other things were being said and members bashed thats why i alerted Admin to thread but i do so appreciate your being so nice taking some of the heat lol..its okay friend i will handle it...take care you...lyn

Post Edited By Moderator (Howlyncat) : 12/29/2009 2:58:58 PM (GMT-7)


James C.
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   Posted 12/28/2009 10:15 PM (GMT -6)   
There's no requirement to use a sig, as we can tell by the fact that some of our senior members still do not use one. Let's just write it up as good intentions and let it go at that. Tony is in contact with braindaed, so things can/may be worked out. I wish I could have seen the original suspect posts, so I could know what I am defending... smilewinkgrin Wouldn't want to end up with egg on my face----again... tongue added: Ok, someone jogged my memory- the blood pressure vs PCa posts.
James C. Age 62
Co-Moderator- Prostate Cancer Forum
4/07 PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS 3/3=6
9/07 Nerve sparing open RRP 110gms.- Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Stg. pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
24 mts: PSA's: .04 each test since surgery, ED Continues-Bimix .3ml PRN or Trimix .15ml PRN

Post Edited (James C.) : 12/28/2009 8:39:44 PM (GMT-7)


BillyMac
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   Posted 12/28/2009 10:58 PM (GMT -6)   
James,
What disturbed me is there was no mention of PCa, no questions about PCa, no statements about PCa at all other than a forceful claim (as a first post and subsequent posts) that a particular ACE inhibitor was highly effective in helping prevent PCA or its recurrence....a claim which was repeated over again and again. Absolute spam rhetoric. Braindaed was asked about his personal history by others as well as myself but in the entire first page of the thread all this produced was additional claims for the inhibitor. As time wore on some personal details were gleaned among continuing claims for the inhibitor. Now I've been here a couple of years and have seen many come and go (both the unusually genuine and spammers) but the way this thread developed was a first. I still have my doubts but it would not be the first time I was wrong.
Bill

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 12/28/2009 11:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Bill,
Braindaed had responded in the thread that he had 2 of 12 cores that were suspicious but not prostate cancer. He also mentioned his high PSA. You and I know that he may still have prostate cancer and just a negative biopsy. When I saw the thread for the first time, I noticed this in between his study posts and in a different font. He also mentioned that since he was in need of blood pressure medication and since he was he felt it best to use the ACE inhibitor that appeared in the studies he was displaying. It may have been a false hope but there are indeed current studies underway examining these drugs. I pointed one of them out in a post but the thread was deleted shortly after my post. The one study was done in Sweden here is the post from the InfoLink...

Captopril:
prostatecancerinfolink.net/2008/10/31/can-captopril-reduce-rate-of-rp-failures/

The other drug telmisartan, is also undergoing study: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18636189

Both studies are posted on PubMed at the National Cancer Institute in the US.

Clearly this is too early to say that they are treatment for prostate cancer. But we could help somebody out that stumbles across this stuff and get them thinking about the drug safety. The gentleman clearly stated that since he had the hypertension, he may as well use these drugs to treat it in hopes they may also help his suspicions about prostate cancer.

Tony
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BillyMac
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   Posted 12/29/2009 12:30 AM (GMT -6)   
Tony I remember the text of the thread very well. The initial post contained no mention of prostate cancer, nor PSA, nor DRE, nor biopsy, nor question, nor statement, save the theme of the ACE inhibitor. But rather it was a series of copied studies (one from 2004) together with the statement "does nobody else on the planet know this"? Simply all an exhortation on the benefits of the inhibitor. Nor did the next couple of posts by Braindaed offer any of his details. It was only when asked multiple times that some details bit by bit were posted (PSA 7.6, a biopsy that "almost destroyed me", "grossly enlarged prostate" 2 of 12 specimens positive for ASAP, with all these details stuck in among precise information on the inhibitor All these details seemed superfluous to the central theme of repeated posts outlining benefits of the inhibitor (which, incidentally I did not dispute). It did then, and still does, smack of another agenda. But as I said I may well be wrong. I must confess to a particular loathing of those who would seek to benefit from the misfortune or illness of others.

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 12/29/2009 1:03 AM (GMT -6)   
Fair enough, Bill,
I still say we need a solicitation to call it spamming, and without it we should let it happen before we cast that stone. I am 100% certain the gentleman I am in contact with has not done that yet. Let's say we give him a chance?

Tony
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James C.
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   Posted 12/29/2009 10:23 AM (GMT -6)   
To All:
I agree with Tony. Until a poster makes a solicitation or tries in some way to guide us to a website that does, we have to consider each poster as sharing information. We may not individually agree with their information, but that doesn't reduce their right to state theirs. They may seem to be oddballs, coming from out of left field. In my mind, I see no difference here than in the threads that hot pepper extract would help, along with legitimate government study documentation to support the claim being posted. I am required here to say that we did have a nut and a doc combo who was around for a while with the pepper deal, but I am talking about another government study, found to be outdated and no real results from it, dealing with a Capician (sp) study. Or the various vitamins and supplement threads where we have discussed the effectiveness of some 'new miralce' that is the headline of the day. Or the value of penile pump therepy, or even HIFU, as long as it doesn't solicit. We have several guys here who have had or tried both the pepper and the HIFU and they are a valuable part of our community. Braindaed was posting legitimate abstracts to legitimate research results from authoritive sources, properly funded and guided by our national health services. That they could have been posted as a link, rather than as a full copy of the abstract is a decision for the Owner and maybe the moderators to make.

From knowing some things that hasn't been posted in full view, I can tell you that the poster has legitimate reasons for preserving his privacy, by not sharing a bunch of personal information, and that his heart seems to be good and in the right place in that he was trying to help by sharing information.

Edited to add a clarification about Pepperguy and legitimacy..
James C. Age 62
Co-Moderator- Prostate Cancer Forum
4/07 PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS 3/3=6
9/07 Nerve sparing open RRP 110gms.- Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Stg. pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
24 mts: PSA's: .04 each test since surgery, ED Continues-Bimix .3ml PRN or Trimix .15ml PRN

Post Edited (James C.) : 12/29/2009 10:41:21 AM (GMT-7)


Carlos
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   Posted 12/29/2009 11:48 AM (GMT -6)   
James,  I don't understand why the mere mention of HIFU brings out the worst in many posters.  Are you aware of the fact that there is at least one HIFU clinical trial here in the US?  The center is evaluating HIFU as a secondary treatment for men that failed RT.  I suppose you could call it salvage HIFU.  The trial is free to participants.  But, I pity the poor poster that ever logs on and relates his experience with such a treatment.  Folks just need to lighten up a little.
 
Carlos

James C.
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   Posted 12/29/2009 12:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Carlos, we do have a few guys who have had the treatment, a couple went out of country and one who had it in England, where it is available routinely maybe. Yes, the procedure is being used under trial in the US, but the main objection and reaction is the fact that US citizens must travel to other countries, where medical standards and such aren't up to ours, sometimes (one guy here posted of an absolutely retched ordeal in a Costa Rican clinic), also the fact that the procedure must be paid for in cash, and that the US doctor and his nurses flies to the out of country hospital to do the procedure, effectively out of any future responsibility or control. To many people, this smacks to much of a "Tijuana clinic" deal. Combine that with posters who pop in here claiming all kinds of miraculous treatment results who are obvious shills for a certain clinic for the doctor who does do the treatment out of country and you can understand why the HIFU is such a hot potato. It has a scent of illegitamacy to it. Once the procedure is approved in the US and becomes just another option in the arsenal of treatments, then it should stop being such a sensitive subject.
James C. Age 62
Co-Moderator- Prostate Cancer Forum
4/07 PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS 3/3=6
9/07 Nerve sparing open RRP 110gms.- Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Stg. pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
24 mts: PSA's: .04 each test since surgery, ED Continues-Bimix .3ml PRN or Trimix .15ml PRN

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