Alldaychemist question (Cialis)

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Hunter48152
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   Posted 2/9/2010 8:13 AM (GMT -6)   
I just looked up Tadalafil (Cialis) on Alldaychemist. When the generic version comes up it says "Not for US consumption." Does anyone know why this is and have you tried it from them?

Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 2/9/2010 8:55 AM (GMT -6)   
They are not allowed to ship to the US...But, as I recall - all you have to do is tell them you are a Wold Traveler that happens to be visiting the US.

Age 54   - 5'11"   205lbs
Overall Heath Condition - Good
PSA - July 2007 & Jan 2008 -> 1.3
Biopsy - 03/04/08 -> Gleason 6 
06/25/08 - Da Vinci robotic laparoscopy
05/14/09  - 4th Quarter PSA -> less then .01
11/20/09 - 18 Month PSA -> less then .01
Surgeon - Keith A. Waguespack, M.D.


Cajun Jeff
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   Posted 2/9/2010 9:05 AM (GMT -6)   
That is exactly right. I placed an order last wk and was sent an e-mail that I had to replay to. Today I got my conformation of shipping. This is my 3rd big order.

Jeff T smilewinkgrin
Jeff T Age 57

9/08 PSA 5.4, referred to Urologist
9/08 Biopsy: GS 3/4=7
10/08 Nerve sparing open RRP- Path Report: GS 3+3=7 Stg. pT2c, margins clear
3 mts: PSA .05 undetectable

10th month PSA <0.01
1year psa <0.01
ED- 5 mg Cialis daily, pump daily, going to try MUSE next. Next step injections.
15 months out injections Caveject (success)


Worried Guy
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   Posted 2/9/2010 9:22 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Hunter,
Welcome to HealingWell. You will probably get some responses off line so check your email.

The short answer to "Why not for US consumption?" is "Patent infringement". It is not because the drugs don't work between the 30th and 48th parallels.
Some drug company spent a ton of money inventing, testing and verifying the product. They deserve to be compensated fairly.

Now the question of whether the CEO, J.L., deserves to get $4M per year and n 127,000 shares that he got for an option price of $0 per share exactly one week ago now selling at $35 each, is a different matter.

Jeff

Post Edited (Worried Guy) : 2/9/2010 10:38:26 AM (GMT-7)


Purgatory
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   Posted 2/9/2010 9:27 AM (GMT -6)   
Cajun Jeff: your third big order? My, my, you have been getting frisky lately, lol.
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12
Latest: 7/9 met 2 rad. oncl, 7/9 cath #6 - blockage, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 out 38 days, 9/9 - met 3rd rad. oncl., mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath/hard dialation, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, 12/7 - Cath #10 43 days, 1/19 - Corr Surgery #4,  Caths #11 and #12 in at the same time, 2/8-Cath #11 out - 21 days


Hunter48152
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   Posted 2/9/2010 11:13 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the information... Looks like I will be placing an order soon then.
Age: 44
Diagnosed: 9/09 PSA: 5.3
Ultra sound showed lump on left side
Biopsy: 5 of 12 Pos. Gleason: 6
Da Vinci Nerve sparring done: 12/16/09
PSA 1 month after surgery: 0.0
Path. Report: Tumor at the margins but had not gone through capsule
Start Low Dose Rad. March 2010 as a precaution


zampilot
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   Posted 2/9/2010 6:48 PM (GMT -6)   
It's known as Patent Law. Protection in order to recoup the companies expenses in R+D. If the 'wannabes' are so good why didnt they invent them first?!?

reachout
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   Posted 2/9/2010 6:54 PM (GMT -6)   
I got their 20 mg doses and a pill splitter and cut them into fourths for 5mg each. Works pretty well even though the splitter leaves a bit of powder behind. But with all day chemist prices and a pill splitter I'm set for a while.
Age 64 yrs
DX 5/2009
8 out of 12 cores positive
PSA 5.6
Gleason Score 3+4=7
Stage T2a
Da Vinci Surgery 08/07/2009
Upgrade Gleanson Score 4+3=7
Stage pT2c
Neg Margins and Nodes
Extracapsular extension noted but neg Extraprostatic Extention (??)
Dry immediately
Daily Cialis 5mg slow recovery
First PSA 11/3/09 <0.1
Second PSA 2/9/10 0.01


MrGimpy
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   Posted 2/9/2010 7:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Isn't there an active patent on Viagra and Levitra also ?
Stats:
Age: 52, PSA (2008)=1.9
Biopsy on 01/09/09, Gleason Score = 3+3
One (1) out of twelve (12) cores was positive, plus external nodule found
Surgery (Da Vinci, robotic prostatectomy): 4/7/09
Post Op Path 3+3
Removed Catheter: 04/19/09
100% bladder control - Pad free 7/09
PSA 7/09 undetectable, <0.01 - 3 months post-op
PSA 1/10 undetectable, <0.01 - 9 months post-op
Trimix provides 100% erectile function


zampilot
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   Posted 2/9/2010 7:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Yup, it lasts another 9 years on Viagra, and that's the oldest of them, IIRC.

MrGimpy
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   Posted 2/9/2010 8:15 PM (GMT -6)   
So Cialis is enforcing their patent but Viagra and Levitra are not ?
Stats:
Age: 52, PSA (2008)=1.9
Biopsy on 01/09/09, Gleason Score = 3+3
One (1) out of twelve (12) cores was positive, plus external nodule found
Surgery (Da Vinci, robotic prostatectomy): 4/7/09
Post Op Path 3+3
Removed Catheter: 04/19/09
100% bladder control - Pad free 7/09
PSA 7/09 undetectable, <0.01 - 3 months post-op
PSA 1/10 undetectable, <0.01 - 9 months post-op
Trimix provides 100% erectile function


zampilot
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   Posted 2/9/2010 8:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Foreign knock-off's.

Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 2/10/2010 5:59 AM (GMT -6)   
zampilot said...
It's known as Patent Law. Protection in order to recoup the companies expenses in R+D. If the 'wannabes' are so good why didnt they invent them first?!?
 
Do you know this for a fact or are you just guessingconfused
 
Me thinks after they recoup their expense money they won't lower the price from FIFTEEN DOLLARS a piece to something much lower.

Age 54   - 5'11"   205lbs
Overall Heath Condition - Good
PSA - July 2007 & Jan 2008 -> 1.3
Biopsy - 03/04/08 -> Gleason 6 
06/25/08 - Da Vinci robotic laparoscopy
05/14/09  - 4th Quarter PSA -> less then .01
11/20/09 - 18 Month PSA -> less then .01
Surgeon - Keith A. Waguespack, M.D.


zampilot
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   Posted 2/10/2010 6:42 AM (GMT -6)   
They have not recouped their R+D. I'm not guessing, I have a Patent Atty in the family. Also, a reason for high cost is most health plans concsider them to be 'receational' not theraputic.

reachout
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   Posted 2/10/2010 7:07 AM (GMT -6)   
The reason I went to ADC was because my insurance company would only authorize a few cialis pills a month. When I told them my urologist put me on a daily low dosage as therapy after my prostatectomy they told me I would have to my doctor appeal the decision. So I went to the doctor and was basically told that they've tried this with several patients and the insurance company just doesn't care, they will not fill the prescription. They only tell the patient that to get them off their back. So I guess the insurance company knows more about modern urological practices than one of the leading practicing urologists in the country. Thank goodness for ADC.


Age 64 yrs
DX 5/2009
8 out of 12 cores positive
PSA 5.6
Gleason Score 3+4=7
Stage T2a
Da Vinci Surgery 08/07/2009
Upgrade Gleanson Score 4+3=7
Stage pT2c
Neg Margins and Nodes
Extracapsular extension noted but neg Extraprostatic Extention (??)
Dry immediately
Daily Cialis 5mg slow recovery
First PSA 11/3/09 <0.1
Second PSA 2/9/10 0.01


James C.
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   Posted 2/10/2010 10:52 AM (GMT -6)   
My insurance companies that I have had since first being first diagnosed (BC/BS, then John Deere, now Cigna,) all refuse to pay for any ed pills in any amount , all 3 after reapplication by the doctor, citing medical need. American insurance companies for the most part just will not recognize the need, nor will they pay for it. Sadly, cancer patients are forced to other measures, including illegal ones, to attempt to regain and preserve sexual function. I sometimes wonder if the people who make the decision for the companies, probably the majority of which are men, ever think about or study the effects of PCa treatment, or if they really don't care, as their only 'god' is the bottom line. In either case, I consider them the worse of the worse, bottom dwelling scum suckers, who willingly throw away men's hopes of a reasonable recovery for the dollars. You would think they, being men, would be the first to realize how critical to well being a man's sexual sense of self is for living a normal and natural life. For those of us whose insurance doesn't pay for it, and who want the best chances of regaining our sex life, patent law, company costs and such, don't begin to balance the scale. If our disease side effects was treated properly by them, there wouldn't even be any need for this discussion. mad In this economy, the cost of that $12 to $20 pill is too much for a lot of us to pay, considering the same thing without the label is available for 78 cents right thru UPS. It's a personal choice that I think the majority of men will make, regardless of the loss of patent protection and their profits. If the companies (Viagra and Levetra manufactor, whoever they are) are so worried about it, they would be forcing enforcement, or reducing the costs of the pills, or even giving them free for documented, certified PCa patients as a public relations gesture. Geez, cabin fever has really set in....I'm gonna go shovel snow or something...Sorry for the rant.
James C. Age 62
Co-Moderator- Prostate Cancer Forum
4/07 PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS 3/3=6
9/07 Nerve sparing open RRP 110gms.- Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Stg. pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
32 mts: PSA's: .04 each test since surgery, ED Continues-Bimix .3ml PRN or Trimix .15ml PRN


Redman55
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Date Joined Jan 2010
Total Posts : 87
   Posted 2/10/2010 11:01 AM (GMT -6)   
Patent law is a lot of nonsense as the generics all have variations to the US brands. This is pure protectionism as they make a fortune off these ed drugs. When you try generics you will know immediately that they are different as the side effects are different and many times less. I order mine from a place where they are shipped in from India. In the US, when I get 5 cialis pills and it costs me $112 for them, I have zero empathy when I get a better equivalent with 40 pills for $4 apiece that would cost me that would cost me $896 as opposed to $160. The difference is ridiculous. The generic brand I like is Eregra.
Age 54
PSA 8/2009 5.6 Gleason 8
DaVinci surgery 11/2009
Pathology - totally contained in margins -one bundle spared
PSA now undetectable at < .05
Continance: Night and morning fine and improving
Doing 3 P's and now using trimix


Casey59
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   Posted 2/10/2010 11:15 AM (GMT -6)   
Redman55 said...
When you try generics you will know immediately that they are different as the side effects are different and many times less.
I have used both...I absolutely cannot tell the difference.
 
Different people have differing sensitivities to meds.

Redman55
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Total Posts : 87
   Posted 2/10/2010 11:25 AM (GMT -6)   
No question on each person having a diff reaction. A friend of mine also tried Eregra who is hyper sensitive to the big 3 brands and he said the side effects were noticeably less too.
Age 54
PSA 8/2009 5.6 Gleason 8
DaVinci surgery 11/2009
Pathology - totally contained in margins -one bundle spared
PSA now undetectable at < .05
Continance: Night and morning fine and improving
Doing 3 P's and now using trimix

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