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English Alf
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Posted 2/16/2010 12:05 AM (GMT -8)
Hi

Has anyone else had or is having trouble with their scars?

I'm just over six months after surgery.

My five little wounds are okay, though very dark red. The big scar above my navel however is going a bit keloid: it's starting to look like I've got a dark red worm on my belly.

I'm massaging a prescription silicon gel on it, but it still stings or itches most of the time, and the muscles about an inch inside me to the left and right of the scar also ache a lot.

(I am clearly someone that this can happen to. A small scar on my chest left by the removal of a mole a year ago still stings and itches and has gone lumpy despite having originally being almost invisible after being done by a plastic surgeon, a scar on my back from another mole removal took over 18 months to stop stinging.)

Any tips, comments, observations or experiences?

Alfred
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brainsurgeon
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Posted 2/16/2010 1:02 AM (GMT -8)
Ask a plastic surgeon if injections of steroids into the scars will help. Used to be done, but I don't know now.
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Herophilus
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Posted 2/16/2010 1:06 PM (GMT -8)
ALF My vertical incision is exactly as you described.   When I was a young kid we had something called a creepy crawler bug maker set.   There was one particular worm that we made and used for fish bait.   Every time that I get out of the shower and admire what looks like the perfect steroid sculptured body, (yes I have a magic mirror) I see that purple creepy crawler!!!
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Steve n Dallas
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Posted 2/16/2010 1:21 PM (GMT -8)
There is another recent desicussion on scars...Someone posted the technical name for the dark colors etc....And as I recall there isn't much you can do except keep lotion on them.

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Purgatory
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Posted 2/16/2010 1:59 PM (GMT -8)
My radiation oncologist said, in a general converstation, that they sometimes use a single zap of radiation to ease troubles with pesky scar issues, and she said it is really effective.
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English Alf
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Posted 2/17/2010 4:04 AM (GMT -8)
Hero
Yes defintely a plastic fishing-bait worm.

But the less said about having things that look like dangling worms down there the better!

Maybe I should draw legs and a head on it and turn it into a friendly caterpillar or centipede.

Alf
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LV-TX
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Posted 2/17/2010 11:07 AM (GMT -8)
Hmmmm....anyone try Vitamin E oil. Worked for me. Scars are nearly invisible now.
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Purgatory
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Posted 2/17/2010 11:56 AM (GMT -8)
BTW, my one long scar from open surgery (11/2008) is barely noticable. You would have to go out of your way to find it.
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1218davinci
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Posted 4/15/2010 2:58 PM (GMT -8)

HI Alfred, this is John ( CA) - Yes I have same problem like you - the inside muscles about 1 inch on each side of the middle scar keep bugging me. I have requested a lot of tests, Xray, ct scan, MRI, Instense stool test, blood test, urine test, ultrasound all normal. Good news  but I still feel uncomfortable and make me tired every day - difficult to exercise.  Davinci on 12/18/09

 

1218davici John

 

English Alf said...
Hi

Has anyone else had or is having trouble with their scars?

I'm just over six months after surgery.

My five little wounds are okay, though very dark red. The big scar above my navel however is going a bit keloid: it's starting to look like I've got a dark red worm on my belly.

I'm massaging a prescription silicon gel on it, but it still stings or itches most of the time, and the muscles about an inch inside me to the left and right of the scar also ache a lot.

(I am clearly someone that this can happen to. A small scar on my chest left by the removal of a mole a year ago still stings and itches and has gone lumpy despite having originally being almost invisible after being done by a plastic surgeon, a scar on my back from another mole removal took over 18 months to stop stinging.)

Any tips, comments, observations or experiences?

Alfred

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JB71
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Posted 4/15/2010 3:18 PM (GMT -8)
When my wife had breast cancer surgery she used PURE ALOE VERA on her scarse. The doctor commented on how well the scars healed and today they are almost invisable.

So when I had my surgery she INSISTED that I use the same on my 5" long scar on a daily bases. Naturally I do as I'm told and must admit that this stuff works.

Just be sure that it is PURE ALOE VERA. You might have to ask the pharmasist for it as it seems that they keep it behind the counter.
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Doting Daughter
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Posted 4/15/2010 3:24 PM (GMT -8)
Unfortunately, I also form Keloids and if you know you form them, you can let the surgeons know ahead of time and they can make the stitches tighter or closer together so that you don't form them as bad. I also had a dermatologist give me a shot of something ( I can't remember what it was, it has been awhile) because I had one that was big and itchy and the shot drastically reduced the size and stopped the itching. Call your dermatologist...I'm sure they will be able to help you out. They just do a quick injection. Good luck!
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goodlife
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Posted 4/15/2010 5:06 PM (GMT -8)
Alf,

In the meantime, might have to keep your shirt on st the beach this summer.

Sorry about the added problems. Hope at least you can get relief from the discomfort.
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English Alf
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Posted 4/15/2010 10:06 PM (GMT -8)
Jerry & DD

I've got an appointment with my dermatologist in June so I can mention these ideas to her. The itching is a little better than it was, perhaps thanks to the silicone gel

I'm not sure about tight stitches having an effect though for as I said the scar from removing a mole went funny and that was stitched with extreme precision. It had been invisible for about a month and then went keloid very quickly.
I also don't see why I don't get keloids on my hands, arms, legs and feet, and in fact the lowest two da Vinci scars near my hip bones are already almost white and invisible.

I have seen someone at the hospital since I started this thread and they checked out my abdomen around the scar and found no medical problem. The thought is that the muscles and tissues inside me were pushed about a lot during the op and will take a long time to recover. (And having seen another video of the op recently I am surprised my insides did not hurt even more afterwards)
It still aches though and perhaps the thing about this ache that annoys me most is that it hurts to hug or cuddle anyone especially if they have a button or buckle that lines up with the scar. I can luckily hug and cuddle my wife from other directions or do it without the buttons and clothes in the way, but I'd like to be able to hug a few other people who are close to me too without wincing.

And added complication is that with RT about to start I've now been told that I have to stop using any creams on my lower abdomen, but they are going to measure things to see if the biggest scar is inside or outside the area concerned.

Alf

Post Edited (English Alf) : 4/16/2010 1:29:37 AM (GMT-6)

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Sephie
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Posted 4/16/2010 6:31 AM (GMT -8)
Acquaphor ointment was highly recommended by my dermatologist when I had a fairly good size patch of basel cell skin cancer removed a few years ago. When I went to have the stiches removes, the doc said it was like pulling the stitches out of butter. Also, the scar, which is a couple of inches long, healed very smoothly.

John will periodically put some on his "big scar" right over his belly button. The other scars are very thin and smooth.
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Doting Daughter
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Posted 4/17/2010 6:45 PM (GMT -8)
My dermatologist informed me that they are worse in "fatty" areas. Not implying you are fat by any means , but I believe areas like breast tissue, butt, stomach etc are more likely to scar than those in less fatty areas like hands, arms, feet etc. Let me know what you find out! I am definitely interested to hear!
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Casey59
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Posted 4/18/2010 4:40 AM (GMT -8)
I applied aloe daily starting 10 days after surgery.  Not any "special" aloe; just the stuff I already had for applying after getting too much sun.  Applied it fairly regularly for about 6 or 8 weeks.  After a year, the scars were hardly visible.
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Mavica
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Posted 4/18/2010 10:15 AM (GMT -8)
I underwent surgery using the da Vinci method in September 2008. The only scar which has not completely disappeared from sight is the one above my navel.
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bluebird
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Posted 4/20/2010 7:19 PM (GMT -8)
smurf  Here's the other thread started by Hopeso

  wierd scar after 2 years

Hope this helps...

 

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IdahoSurvivor
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Posted 4/20/2010 8:14 PM (GMT -8)
I thought I heard a bluebird singing... What a wonderful sound! tongue
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English Alf
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Posted 4/20/2010 9:45 PM (GMT -8)
Bluebird

Thanks for the link to Hopeso (Leslie & Dennis)

Interesting to pick up on how many Keloids are around

Alf
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MrGimpy
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Posted 4/21/2010 3:00 AM (GMT -8)
Hi Alf,

I also had some pretty ugly Keloids after my surgery. I used this stuff called Mediscar that the Dr recommended. It worked pretty good, all that is visable now is the drain scar on my left side. My Keloids were pretty bad, but I only used it for a few months and am very happy with the results

Here is the Mediscar website, but I bought my tubes off their Ebay Mediscar account. I just looked and they sell for $10.00 less a tube on Ebay, wish I saw that sooner, oh well


www.mediscar.com/
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