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lewvino
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   Posted 2/24/2010 1:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Saw some of you on another thread are taking the tablets instead of juice which I am also doing.
 
Curious how many tabs/Strength you are taking.
 
I take pomegranite, Acai Berry, green tea and green barley all in capsule formats.
 
Larry
Age 55 / age at diagnosis 54, PSA 5.1
Robotic surgery 08/12/09 at Vanderbilt, Nashville TN. 
Final Path report:
20% of the prostate Invovled
Tumor graded at T2C
Overall Gleason 3+4 (7)
Lymph Glands Clear, Positive Margin Noted in Right Apex
 
First post Surgery PSA - 0
Six month PSA - 0


Casey59
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   Posted 2/24/2010 2:30 PM (GMT -6)   
400 mg

Purgatory
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   Posted 2/24/2010 3:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Like some others here, I don't take any supplements or even vitamins.

To start with, I don't feel or believe there is anything wrong with using them, so I am not negative to those that do.

I know my doctor's couldn't possibly be the only ones that feel this way, but its been interesting to me in the past year and a half, that my GP of whom has been seeing me above 13 years, my uro/surgeon, and the Radiation Oncologist I worked with in the end, all of them, independent of each other, all felt that all supplements and vitamins did with men was to produce expensive urine. It was explained to me that the body doesn't utilize the bulk of such things, and flushes it right out of the body. If only one dr. said that, I would dismiss it as a quirk to that doctor, but no one on my team puts much if any stock in any of the supplements or larger vitamin intakes.

Any comment? They did feel, that I that's what a patient wants to do, its not going to hurt them, in moderation.
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12
Latest: 7/9 met 2 rad. oncl, 7/9 cath #6 - blockage, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 out 38 days, 9/9 - met 3rd rad. oncl., mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath/hard dialation, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, 12/7 - Cath #10 43 days, 1/19 - Corr Surgery #4,  Caths #11 and #12 in at the same time, 2/8-Cath #11 out - 21 days


Casey59
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   Posted 2/24/2010 3:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Have you ever heard of Dr Charles Myers? Generally considered to be the world's leading expert on PC & diet (besides being a long-term patient himself of an aggressive case of PC). Would you take your local GP's input over Dr Myers input on diet & supplements for PC? Give Myers a call; or easier, look him up on the internet.

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   Posted 2/24/2010 4:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Those same types of docs that pooh-pooh diet-supplements-vitamins-health foods also make no money on those things and do not look closely at published materials that may show some benefits or of them useful. These same docs and hospitals all pooh-pooh home remedies and old wives remedies and grand ma's stuff or anything that is not under their controlled sales or profits, as having any value on anything...no money in that endorsement...however all the new drugs you see on t.v. to treat all and any friggin condition of us patients...is supposedly our only salvation. Have you noticed all the new drugs with latin or fictious sounding names(as the type of material it is...keep us in the dark..) are out there now, and none are real cheap (duh). Notice too the long list of side effects alot of this new junk has???? Some cause death or other minor side effects (LOL). What a Country!!!!

Kudos-Casey and add Dr. Mark Moyad and his books relating to such and his thoughts about FDA in general, had him as a guest speaker at a PCa group meeting years ago. Diet, supplements and such are his life study and he does say that some of things do not do that much, but when he does endorse something..best to listen up.


Youth is wasted on the Young-(W.C. Fields)

Post Edited (zufus) : 2/24/2010 2:23:39 PM (GMT-7)


Purgatory
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   Posted 2/24/2010 4:38 PM (GMT -6)   
casey, i said all my doctors dismiss them, not just one. and yes, i know who dr. myers is, a brilliant doctor, not a doubt.

my own personal take, nothing to do with doctor's opinions, is that if people eat right, a good well rounded diet, there isn't any need to take supplements/vitamins. its not a natural thing to do outside of diet. i realize that many, perhaps most people, don't eat a good diet, so there may be a case from that point of view.

zufus - i for one, read all the side effect details closely. when they run these slick evening television adds for drugs, that info goes by real fast in small print. i am real particular about taking any kind of med, i study it long and hard before it ever goes inside me, i really have to be convince i need something and that it will work without making things worse. i believe the drug companies are all about the money. while there are hundreds of good modern pharmesutical's out there, that are helping millions of people, the big Money word is always first and front.

for all the years my wife has been a nurse, she alwasy tells me a bout the slick drug reps they send ing. The best looking male and females money can buy, expensive clothes, always bearing free lunches and gifts. its no wonder that certain doctors push certain drugs.
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12
Latest: 7/9 met 2 rad. oncl, 7/9 cath #6 - blockage, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 out 38 days, 9/9 - met 3rd rad. oncl., mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath/hard dialation, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, 12/7 - Cath #10 43 days, 1/19 - Corr Surgery #4,  Caths #11 and #12 in at the same time, 2/8-Cath #11 out - 21 days


medved
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   Posted 2/24/2010 5:20 PM (GMT -6)   
One question with supplements is whether you really know -- with a sufficient level of certainty -- what is in them. You know what the label says is in them, but do you really know that is what's in there (absent FDA regulation, which does not exist for supplements). Another issues is whether the "supplement" does more harm than good. For example, someone takes fish oil, which could help with the Omega 6 to Omega 3 ratio, but may have mercury or other heavy metals.

Someone else mentioned the risk of masking cancer or the advancement of cancer. For example, maybe saw palmetto reduces psa. But does it reduce cancer or just make cancer more difficult to detect, by "artificially" reducing psa.

There are smart doctors on all sides of this issue. Drs. Strum and Meyers recommend certain supplements. I have heard Dr. Carter at Johns Hopkins, also a leading p ca expert, say he does not recommend them. None of these guys are dumb.

I am not anti-supplement. I personally take vitamin D and drink pomegranate juice every day -- though I am likely to soon switch to the pills, to reduce my sugar consumtpion. But the issue of what to take is not simple.
Age 45.  Father died of p ca. 
My psa starting age 40: 1.4, 1.3, 1.43, 1.74, 1.7, 1.5
 


geezer99
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   Posted 2/25/2010 9:24 AM (GMT -6)   
To the best of my knowledge (based on a search of the medical literature) the only published scientific studies of pomegranate were done using the actual juice. These studies were preliminary but the results were good enough to continue the studies.

So, we don't even know how valuable pomegranate juice is and have not even begun to investigate extracts.

Cost issues aside, I know of no negatives to drinking pomegranate juice.
Age at diagnosis 66, PSA 5.5
Biopsy 12/08 12 cores, 8 positive
Gleason 3+4=7
CAT scan, Bone scan 1/09 both negative.

Robotic surgery 03/03/09 Catheter Out 03/08/09
Pathology: Lymph nodes & Seminal vesicles negative
Margins positive, Capsular penetration extensive Gleason 4+3=7
6 weeks: 1 pad/day, 1 pad/night -- mostly dry at night.
10 weeks: no pad at night -- slight leakage day/1 pad.
3 mo. PSA 0.0 - now light pads
6 mo. PSA 0.00 -- 1 light pad/day
9 mo. PSA 0.00 -- 1 light pad/day ED remains


Casey59
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   Posted 2/25/2010 10:07 AM (GMT -6)   
geezer99 said...
To the best of my knowledge (based on a search of the medical literature) the only published scientific studies of pomegranate were done using the actual juice. These studies were preliminary but the results were good enough to continue the studies.

So, we don't even know how valuable pomegranate juice is and have not even begun to investigate extracts.

Cost issues aside, I know of no negatives to drinking pomegranate juice.

I don't know what steps you took, but I can only suggest that you apparently didn't look very hard into studies of the extract of "nature's power fruit."
 
Nonetheless, this comment is correct:  "we don't even know how valuable pomegranate juice is."  We do know it contains powerful cancer-fighting characteristics which inhibits growth of tumors.  We know it is valuable, we just don't know completely how valuable is it.  Maybe it's a little valuable; maybe it's very valuable. 
 
The phrase that I like to use is that one "stacks additional odds" favorably in one's corner if you do things like consume pomegranate, exercise regularly, eat a heart-healthy diet, select an experienced surgeon, etc., etc.  Some people say that PC is merely a "crap shoot"; on the contrary there are lots of "levers" at our disposal to improve our odds...once we educate ourselves about them, it's simply a matter of whether we act on them or consciously choose not to act on them.
 
Pomegranate is widely known as "nature's power fruit."  I also call it "low hanging fruit."

Post Edited (Casey59) : 2/25/2010 8:28:57 AM (GMT-7)


John T
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   Posted 2/25/2010 2:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Casey,
Well said. Why would anyone not want to increase the odds in his favor, especially when there is no downside risk.
JT

64 years old.

PSA rising for 10 years to 40, free psa 10-15. Had 5 urologists, 12 biopsies and MRIS all neg. Doctors DXed BPH and continue to get biopsies yearly. 13th biopsy positive in 10-08, 2 cores of 25, G6 less than 5%. Scheduled for surgery as recommended by Urological Oncologist.

2nd Opinion from Dr Sholtz, a Prostate Oncologist, said DX wrong, pathology shows indolant cancer, but psa history indicates large cancer or metastasis. Futher tests and Color Doppler confirmed large transition zone tumor that 13 biopsies and MRIS missed. G7, 4+3, approx 16mmX18mm.

Combidex MRI in Holland eliminated lymphnode mets. Casodex and Proscar reduced psa to 0.6 and prostate from 60mm to 32mm. Changed diet, no meat and dairy. All staging tests indicate that tumor is local and non agressive. (PAP, PCA3, MRIS, Color Doppler, Combidex, tumor reaction to diet and Casodex, and tumor location in transition zone). Surgery a poor option because tumor is located next to the urethea and positive margin is very likely; permanent incontenance is also high probability with surgery.

Seed implants on 5-19-09, 3 hours door to door, no pain, minor side affects are frequency and urgency; very controlable with Flowmax and lasted 4 weeks. Daily activities resumed day after implants with no restrictions. Gold markers implanted with seeds to guide IMRT.

25 treatments of IMRT 6 weeks after seed implants. No side affects at all.

PSA at end of treatment 0.02 mostly the result of Casodex. When I stop Casodex next week expect PSA to rise. Next PSA in November. Treatments and side affects have greatly exceeded my expectations. Glad to have this 11 year journey finally conclude.

JohnT


lewvino
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   Posted 2/25/2010 3:33 PM (GMT -6)   
I agree and figure even if I'm not improving the odds by taking all the stuff I am then I'm helping the Economy!

Larry
Age 55 / age at diagnosis 54, PSA 5.1
Robotic surgery 08/12/09 at Vanderbilt, Nashville TN. 
Final Path report:
20% of the prostate Invovled
Tumor graded at T2C
Overall Gleason 3+4 (7)
Lymph Glands Clear, Positive Margin Noted in Right Apex
 
First post Surgery PSA - 0
Six month PSA - 0


geezer99
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   Posted 2/25/2010 6:36 PM (GMT -6)   
I think that Casey misunderstood me. I was talking about medical journals from reputable sources and indexed in PubMed. I have no doubt that if you also include magazines of the kind that you find at the supermarket checkout, the value of pomegranate juice is vastly increased.

But each person must make their own decisions in whatever way seems to them to be appropriate.
Age at diagnosis 66, PSA 5.5
Biopsy 12/08 12 cores, 8 positive
Gleason 3+4=7
CAT scan, Bone scan 1/09 both negative.

Robotic surgery 03/03/09 Catheter Out 03/08/09
Pathology: Lymph nodes & Seminal vesicles negative
Margins positive, Capsular penetration extensive Gleason 4+3=7
6 weeks: 1 pad/day, 1 pad/night -- mostly dry at night.
10 weeks: no pad at night -- slight leakage day/1 pad.
3 mo. PSA 0.0 - now light pads
6 mo. PSA 0.00 -- 1 light pad/day
9 mo. PSA 0.00 -- 1 light pad/day ED remains


Casey59
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   Posted 2/25/2010 10:41 PM (GMT -6)   
geezer99 said...
To the best of my knowledge (based on a search of the medical literature) the only published scientific studies of pomegranate were done using the actual juice.
 
 
Perhaps I misunderstood...but I thought you were asking about studies on pomegranate extract, which was what I had previously commented on.  I thought that you were asking, or stating, that you were unaware (or couldn't find) of medical studies published on the extract  versus "actual juice" (your words).
 
If you go to www.pubmed.com, which is a free online repository of medical research abstracts, you will find a lot of results...I just went (again) and found 125 "hits" for "pomegranate AND extract."  Some of the abstracts are accompanied by free access to the reports themselves (for access to most of the full reports, one needs to subscribe to the service), but even I—with no trained medical background—can usually understand the gist of the study & results by just reading the free abstract.
 
The "hits" for "pomegranate AND extract" are a growing presence on pubmed; here's the breakdown of the current 125 technical reports by publication date:
  • 54 technical reports from before 2007
  • 19 in 2007
  • 19 in 2008
  • 30 in 2009
  • and already 3 published and posted in 2010

 

If you try using pubmed a few times, it can be pretty easy to use...even for a novice like me.smilewinkgrin

Did I misunderstand?   I didn't search beyond the terms "pomegranate AND extract" cuz that was the topic Larry started this thread with...  Try it.

Hope that helps...yeah

 
 
 ----------------------------------------------
 
By the way, as a helpful addendum to my note above, pubmed has a nice search tool.  As you begin entering the key word(s) that you want to search on, it automatically provides options of the frequently occurring combinations of words which start with what you typed.  It's a nice tool to use in case you have problems spelling "pomegranate" (a lot of people do), or even "extract."  It's also nice because it "suggests" frequent combinations of other key words; combinations that you might not have thought of to expand your search.  "Pomegranate extract" is in fact, one of the frequently occurring combinations offered by the the tool as you begin to enter "p-o-m-e..." as a result of so many articles in medical journals...indexed in PubMed.
.
 
 
 
 
 

Post Edited (Casey59) : 2/26/2010 7:53:03 AM (GMT-7)


Casey59
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   Posted 2/26/2010 9:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Larry, how many mg's of pomegranate are you taking?  Other guys...how many mg's are you taking?

Some drug stores around here carry them, and others don't. Where do you find them?

compiler
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   Posted 2/26/2010 1:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Casey:
I like the Pomegranite juice and I plan to drink 8 oz. a day. I am not concerned about the sugar content.
 
Are you suggesting that it is BETTER to take the extract?
 
If so, what brand?
 
Also, my understanding is that these supplements are not regulated so you might be rolling the dice on the actual contents (?)
 
Mel

63 years old . PSA-- 3/08--2.90; 8/09--4.01; 11/09--4.19 (Free PSA 24%),  after 45 days on cipro! DREs have always been normal. PCA-3

Biopsy on 11/30/09. 5 out of 12 cores positive. Gleason 4+3. 2 cores were 3+3 (one 5% and the other 30%) on one side. On  other side:2 cores are 4+3 (5%)--1 core 3+4 (30%) no peri-neural invasion. prostate is 45 grams. Stage: T1C.  

Surgery with Dr. Menon at Ford Hospital, 1/26/10. He says all looked good. Spared nerves. Unfortunately: Pathology Report: G 4+3 (65%-35%). Cancer in 15% of gland. Lymph Nodes: Clear.  Perineural Invasion: yes. Seminal Vessical Involvement: No.  Extraprostatic Extension: yes.  Positive Margin: Yes-- focal-- 1 spot .5mm. Final Weight is 52.7 gms. 

 Incontinence: joined that club-- definite leaks—1 pad/day. Night is dry, was  using 1 pad at night for security, but pretty much dispensed with that most nights. Update: no pads at night. No pads while at home, but still very uncomfortable. Use 1 pad for out-of-house activities.

Next Event: First post-op PSA on 3/2/10


Casey59
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   Posted 2/26/2010 2:17 PM (GMT -6)   
compiler said...
Casey:
I like the Pomegranite juice and I plan to drink 8 oz. a day. I am not concerned about the sugar content.
 
Are you suggesting that it is BETTER to take the extract?
 
If so, what brand?
 
Also, my understanding is that these supplements are not regulated so you might be rolling the dice on the actual contents (?)
 
Mel

Naw, not suggesting that.  It was in a different (but recent) thread on pomegranate (note the spelling) that I mentioned that I do not personally like the taste of the juice...which is why I do the extract tablets instead. 
 
 
"Rolling the dice" on an unregulated supplement.  Sounds a bit dramatic when phrased like that.  I take three unregulated supplements:  pomegranate extract, fish oil and glucosamine.  I don't feel that I am laying my life into the hands of a bunch of nefarious terrorists (do you know where most pomegranates come from?) as a result.  But, that's a part of one's conscious decision on what to do, or not do.  Others may feel it is "risky" to take unregulated supplements.  As far as manufacturing variations that may occur, I wouldn't worry too much if one day you drink 8.1 oz and another day you only drink 7.8 oz.  Likewise, I'm not going to worry if one day the tab I take has 410mg and another day it has 375mg.  As the song goes, "A little bit is better than nada..."

English Alf
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   Posted 2/28/2010 4:18 AM (GMT -6)   
I only heard about the possioble benefits of pomegranates last week

I tried looking for tablets. (I'm in the Netherlands by the way where they're called granaatappels)

The drug store had never heard of them
The pharmacist's assistent tried to sell me a cream for my skin that contained pomegranate extract! he then asked the pharmacist who told him they didn't stock the tablets but to to look it up on their suppliers list on the computer. The suppliers had it on their list but didn't stock it. They could get it for me for about €36 for 60 tablets, but it would take at least two weeks.

I have not yet found any pure pomegrante juice in any supermarket, the best I have found is a multi-juice at about €2 per liter that is only 20% pomegranate juice and contains twice as much sugar (15%) as the juice I normally drink.

My local fruit and veg shop sells fresh pomegranates (imported from Turkey) for €1.25 each so I've bought some of them. I have had no problems getting the seeds out, I'm okay with the taste and have been eating half a pomegranate a day. (Note that on the internet I read that there are various varieties of pomegrante which have different tastes and can be acidic or sweet - a bit like apples!)

I figure that even if the benefits are not certain that I'm not doing my body or wallet any harm buying and eating fruit.

And the proper version of the liqueur Grenadine is made from pomegranates, so is that likely to be any good?!

Alfred

skippy_1954
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   Posted 2/28/2010 6:22 AM (GMT -6)   
Alf, for pure pomegranate juice try health food shops and organic food shops.

Alternatively, go to the trade information site alibaba.com and search by product name for a supplier in the Netherlands, then ring the company and ask for the nearest retailer that they supply to. As an experiment, I found a Netherlands-based importer of both fresh 100% pomegranate juice and concentrate from Iran to the Netherlands on the first try.

In Australia, the available 100% pomegranate juice is either from Turkey or from Azerbaijan and sells for about AUD 5-7/litre (€3.30-4.60/litre).
Major supermarkets have it occasionally, more as a curiosity than a regular product line, but health food shops stock it at all times.
Skippy_1954 (Australia)
age at dx 53,
PSA at dx 6.0,
biopsy, Aug 2007: T2aNxMx Gleason 7 (3+4)
open RRP + PLND 01Nov2007, both bundles spared,
post-op pathology pT2aN0Mx, Gl.7 (3+4), margins negative, no perineural involvement, lymph nodes clean.
PSA since surgery undetectable (below 0.04).
Continence back to 100% of pre-op state within 2 mths of surgery;
potency initially nil, 30% at 12 months, 50% at 24 months with regular tadalafil + sildenafil before practical attempts.


Casey59
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   Posted 2/28/2010 8:25 AM (GMT -6)   

“A little bit is better than nada…”; song lyrics by the Texas Tornados. 

 

It’s an approach I have adopted for situations in my life.  For example, I haven’t completely eliminated red meat from my diet, but I have dramatically reduced it compared to (let’s say) 10 years ago.  Once or twice per week is far lower than the American average, so I feel that I’ve done pretty good, and am likely to be improving my overall heart and prostate health.  (Well, I don't actually have a prostate any more, but I am improving my heart health!)  I didn’t go all the way and eliminate it completely, but a little bit is better than nada.  I make this comment here only because I relate it to the discussion on varying potency of available pomegranate extracts.

 

POM Wonderful publishes results that their brand of pomegranate extract tablets are the most potent available on the market.  On their marketing website they list 15-20 other brands they tested and found to be less potent…but then again, a little bit is better than nada.  (They also have a nice program one can sign-up for where they automatically send a 30-day supply every month, at a discounted rate—no shipping charge.)

 

Regarding the juices, literature says the best anti-oxidant results come from bottlers who constantly refrigerate and protect from sunlight.  Pomegranate martinis were all the rage in my neighborhood last summer; I was tempted for health reason to partake, but passed.

 

“A little bit is better than nada…” yeah 


English Alf
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   Posted 2/28/2010 10:25 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks skippy
Alfred

compiler
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   Posted 2/28/2010 2:04 PM (GMT -6)   

We did find 100% pom juice at our local supermarket. Not refrigerated; on the shelf.

But, good enough, I guess.

It's not bad (on the strong side). I'll drink 8 oz. a day.

 

Mel


63 years old . PSA-- 3/08--2.90; 8/09--4.01; 11/09--4.19 (Free PSA 24%),  after 45 days on cipro! DREs have always been normal. PCA-3

Biopsy on 11/30/09. 5 out of 12 cores positive. Gleason 4+3. 2 cores were 3+3 (one 5% and the other 30%) on one side. On  other side:2 cores are 4+3 (5%)--1 core 3+4 (30%) no peri-neural invasion. prostate is 45 grams. Stage: T1C.  

Surgery with Dr. Menon at Ford Hospital, 1/26/10. He says all looked good. Spared nerves. Unfortunately: Pathology Report: G 4+3 (65%-35%). Cancer in 15% of gland. Lymph Nodes: Clear.  Perineural Invasion: yes. Seminal Vessical Involvement: No.  Extraprostatic Extension: yes.  Positive Margin: Yes-- focal-- 1 spot .5mm. Final Weight is 52.7 gms. 

 Incontinence: joined that club-- definite leaks—1 pad/day. Night is dry, was  using 1 pad at night for security, but pretty much dispensed with that most nights. Update: no pads at night. No pads while at home, but still very uncomfortable. Use 1 pad for out-of-house activities.

Next Event: First post-op PSA on 3/2/10


IdahoSurvivor
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   Posted 2/28/2010 9:28 PM (GMT -6)   
I drink the juice.

If you can find it, the Langers "All Pomegranate" brand is the least expensive and is 100% pure with no preservatives, no added sugar and nothing artificial. I used to buy it at Costco, but they stopped carrying it.

Now I buy "POM Wonderful" in the refrigerated section at Wal*Mart. I think it is one half gallon for about $10.00.

I'm still searching for a store with Langers.

If your juice says cocktail, it is not pure juice.

Barry
Surgery: Da Vinci; July 31, 2007; 54 on surgery day;
Pathology: PSA: 4.3; Gleason: 3+3=6; T2a; Confined to Prostate;
Post RP PSAs: 09/07 <0.04; 12/07 <0.04; 03/08 <0.04;
06/08 <0.04; 12/08 <0.04; 06/09 =0.06; 09/09 <0.04;
Latest PSA 12/09 =0.05

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