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   Posted 2/27/2010 3:59 PM (GMT -6)   
 
 
 
My question concerns spreads. We usually use "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter -- Lite."
Today my wife bought "Smart Balance--Lite." They make a big deal that it contains flax oil.
 
I use cold milled ground flaxseed every day on my cereal (2 tblsp) and I know that is highly recommended. However, I thought I heard that flax oil may not be so good. True? Also, I think I heard they are questioning whether these spreads are that much better than regular butter.
 
Comments?
 
Mel

63 years old . PSA-- 3/08--2.90; 8/09--4.01; 11/09--4.19 (Free PSA 24%),  after 45 days on cipro! DREs have always been normal. PCA-3

Biopsy on 11/30/09. 5 out of 12 cores positive. Gleason 4+3. 2 cores were 3+3 (one 5% and the other 30%) on one side. On  other side:2 cores are 4+3 (5%)--1 core 3+4 (30%) no peri-neural invasion. prostate is 45 grams. Stage: T1C.  

Surgery with Dr. Menon at Ford Hospital, 1/26/10. He says all looked good. Spared nerves. Unfortunately: Pathology Report: G 4+3 (65%-35%). Cancer in 15% of gland. Lymph Nodes: Clear.  Perineural Invasion: yes. Seminal Vessical Involvement: No.  Extraprostatic Extension: yes.  Positive Margin: Yes-- focal-- 1 spot .5mm. Final Weight is 52.7 gms. 

 Incontinence: joined that club-- definite leaks—1 pad/day. Night is dry, was  using 1 pad at night for security, but pretty much dispensed with that most nights. Update: no pads at night. No pads while at home, but still very uncomfortable. Use 1 pad for out-of-house activities.

Next Event: First post-op PSA on 3/2/10


BB_Fan
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   Posted 2/27/2010 5:53 PM (GMT -6)   
There is some conflicting advice on diet. I have read that all fats should be limited. When using oils you should use olive oil and canola sparingly. I don't use any spreads. I will put a little olive oil on veggies and potatoes. I suppose an olive oil spread would fit the bill for toast and such. Regarding fax, I have read so many conficting things that I just don't use it.
Dx with PC Dec 2008, PSA 3.4, Biopsy: T1c, Geason 7

Robotic Surgery March 2009 Hartford Hospital
Pathology Report: T2c, Geason 8, organ confined, negitive margins, lymph nodes negitive
nerves spared, no negitive side effects of surgery

One night in hospital, back to work in 3 weeks

psa Junl 09 <.01
psa Oct 09 <.01
psa Jan 10 .07 re-test one week later .05


tatt2man
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   Posted 2/27/2010 8:04 PM (GMT -6)   
- there are some reports that flaxseed oil can promote /advance prostate cancer
-just google -> flax oil prostate cancer - and you'll find lots of links with pro's and cons.
- if you choose to use flax as part of your diet - it is my understanding that ground flax seed is the best form.

BRONSON
.................
Age: 54 - gay - with spouse, Steve - 59
PSA: 04/2007- 1.68 - 08/2009 - 3.46 - 10/2009 - 3.86
Confirmation of Prostate Cancer: October 16, 2009 - 6 of 12 cancerous samples , Gleason 7 (4+3)
Doctor: Dr. Mohamed Elharram -Urologist / Surgeon - Peterborough Regional Health Centre
Radical Prostatectomy Operation: November 18, 2009 , home - November 21, 2009
Post Surgery Biopsy: pT3a- gleason 7 - extraprostatic extension - perineural invasion - prostate weight - 34.1gm -
ED Prescription: Jan 8/2010 - started daily 5mg cialis
location: Peteborough, Ontario, Canada
............


DS Can
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   Posted 2/27/2010 9:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Mel,
I tried a tub of the smart balance last year, right before my diagnosis of PCa.  I used it once, maybe twice.  I like the taste of butter better so that is what I use.  The bag of flaxseed in the refrigerator is my wife's.
 
I hope to see good results on your upcoming psa. 
Keep healing,
 
Dan
PSA 01/07 1.2, PSA 01/08 1.9, PSA 01/09 2.5
BIOPSY 02/24/09  PCa DX age 52
Right: 3+3=6, 3/6 cores 10% involved,PNI-Y
Left:  3+3=6, 1/7 cores <5% involved,PNI-N
LARP 04/09/09 nerve sparing. Final pathology:
GS 3+4=7, Margins uninvolved, 2 lymph nodes negative
Catheter out 04/17,1st no-pad day 05/03
Followup PSA 05/28/09,08/20/09,12/08/09 <0.1
 
 


medved
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   Posted 2/27/2010 10:29 PM (GMT -6)   
BB Fan --   Where did you read that all fats should be eliminated?   I eat what most would most would consider a very good diet (at least from a heart perspective), but have never read credible medical literature suggesting the elimination of all fats from the diet.  (That doesnt mean its not out there -- I just have not seen it -- but I would be interested).
 
 
Age 45.  Father died of p ca. 
My psa starting age 40: 1.4, 1.3, 1.43, 1.74, 1.7, 1.5
 


BB_Fan
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   Posted 2/27/2010 11:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Sorry, I shouldn't have said that fats should be eliminated, but reduced. Although I have read that aminal fat including dairy products should be avoided. The Prostate Cancer Foundation has a good nutrition guide. As I mentioned previously some oils seem to be recommended. Fats for nuts OK in moderation, and of course Omega 3 from fish. Milkens story is pretty inspirational. He basically eliminated most fats from his diet and brought a very agressive cancer into remission.
Dx with PC Dec 2008, PSA 3.4, Biopsy: T1c, Geason 7

Robotic Surgery March 2009 Hartford Hospital
Pathology Report: T2c, Geason 8, organ confined, negitive margins, lymph nodes negitive
nerves spared, no negitive side effects of surgery

One night in hospital, back to work in 3 weeks

psa Junl 09 <.01
psa Oct 09 <.01
psa Jan 10 .07 re-test one week later .05


Jstars
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   Posted 2/28/2010 11:37 AM (GMT -6)   
The topic is timely and interesting (concerning fat in diet).

Yet Another New Study (which was really a study of 21 other studies).

A Reuters report on the study observed:

"For the current study, researchers led by Dr. Ronald M. Krauss, of the Children's Hospital Oakland Research Center in California, pooled data from 21 studies that included a total of nearly 348,000 adults.

Participants, who were generally healthy to start, were surveyed about their diet habits and then followed for anywhere from five to 23 years. Over that time, 11,000 developed heart disease or suffered a stroke.

Overall, Krauss and his colleagues found, there was no difference in the risks of heart disease and stroke between people with the lowest and highest intakes of saturated fat."

The report also cautions:

"These types of studies have inherent limitations, like depending on people's recollection of their eating habits.".

I can say for certain that this is very true. I keep a Daily Food Journal (for DASH diet) and after a day or two I easily forget what I ate if I did not write it down on the same day. Also my food variety is all over the map from day to day. Imagine trying to query study participants on what they normally eat? Yes you can get some broad coverage (like if they eat fast-food) but there can never be much accuracy in any recollection study in my eyes.

But nice to know about the steak and pork!! Oh yeahhhh.

Oh and yes .. visit the website and for only $17.00 you too can have this report (just kidding).
Age 59, 57 at DX, PSA Aug2008 7 4 ... June2007 4.7 (BPH + LUTS)
11/2008 Biopsy: 1 of 12 cores 5%, Gleason 3+3 - Sona showed size 140+ cc (110 grams post op).
02/03/09 open RRP surgery , Nerve sparing both sides, 1 day in hospital, Day 4 first BM,
Pathology Report: All margins clear - No Invasive spread - no change in Gleason score.
02/18/09 Cath out, passed a 1cm oblong STONE within hours.
03/06/09 Started Levitra@20mg / Viagra@100mg / (04/01) Cialis@20mg -- (no effect yet 02/2010).
04/01/09, 07/07/09, 10/01/09, 01/15/10 PSA <0.1
08/09-09/09 MUSE@1000mcg (alpro ache) @500mcg -- less ache.
10/09-11/09 TrimixGel@(500/300/100mcg): 60, 70,80%,
02/10 TrimixGel@1000/300/100mcg - 80-90% - (with cialis) - just @ usefulness.


MrGimpy
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   Posted 2/28/2010 12:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Fresh ground flax ( you do it yourself) is by far the best way to get Omega3's plus Fiber. Flax oil does not have the fiber portion
Stats:
Age: 52, PSA (2008)=1.9
Biopsy on 01/09/09, Gleason Score = 3+3
One (1) out of twelve (12) cores was positive, plus external nodule found
Surgery (Da Vinci, robotic prostatectomy): 4/7/09
Post Op Path 3+3
Removed Catheter: 04/19/09
100% bladder control - Pad free 7/09
PSA 7/09 undetectable, <0.01 - 3 months post-op
PSA 1/10 undetectable, <0.01 - 9 months post-op
Trimix provides 100% erectile function


English Alf
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   Posted 3/1/2010 2:53 AM (GMT -6)   
I buy the groceries, and do the cooking and that is where the best control mechanism lies.
becasue the easiest way to avoid eating food that's bad for you is not to buy it in the first place.
I use Olive oil
I use an "Omega 3" spread, but I love butter, so I just have butter as a treat for breakfast on Sunday. (I have seen how they make oil based spreads and am not sure about all the stuff that goes into it. I have also milked a cow and made butter and think that looks a bit more natural.
The quantity of fat is important too, so I sort of feel that eating butter, but eating less of it would be better than switching to a spread but then eating the same amount. Same with low-fat yoghurts and stuff. The ingredients on "normal" yoghurt are just 100% yoghurt, but to make the low fat stuff thick they add all kinds of things.

I now eat a lot more fruit and veg than before dx and also cook/eat one or two vegetarian meals a week, and now if cooking meat use less than half the quantity I would have used a year ago.
I also now eat brown and wholemeal/wholegrain breads (such as an Allinson) And that helps reduce the amount of sopread/butter as I can not often only eat one slice of brown where I used to have two of white.
I try to use brown rice, but I don't like the taste that mush so mix it 50/50 with white rice.
I still eat too much cheese though I think.

Interested to see the comments about the flax seeds as I am now eating a muesli that contains them.

Alfred

MrGimpy
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   Posted 3/1/2010 5:57 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Alfred,

Sounds like your make at home plan is a good one. Processed foods are of poor nutritional value. One never knows the quality of meats or fish that are served when one eats out. That burger may have been made with 65% lean ground meat (if your lucky) , certainly not something one would even buy for themselves to cook at home

The quantity of fats is not as important as the type of fats, pay close attention to saturated fats, they are bad ones. Cheeses may be ok, rule of thumb is that the harder the cheese the less harmful it is for you. Ricotta or cottage cheese would be far more harmful than say Provolone or Sharp Cheddar

White potatoes are empty calories, instead go sweet potatoes. Self ground flax seeds are easy and taste amazing, any coffee grinder can handle the grind. Whole flax seeds are sold in any health food store. Ground they last a few weeks in the refrig
Stats:
Age: 52, PSA (2008)=1.9
Biopsy on 01/09/09, Gleason Score = 3+3
One (1) out of twelve (12) cores was positive, plus external nodule found
Surgery (Da Vinci, robotic prostatectomy): 4/7/09
Post Op Path 3+3
Removed Catheter: 04/19/09
100% bladder control - Pad free 7/09
PSA 7/09 undetectable, <0.01 - 3 months post-op
PSA 1/10 undetectable, <0.01 - 9 months post-op
Trimix provides 100% erectile function

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