a thought - does high testosterone levels lead to having prostate cancer?

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tatt2man
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   Posted 3/12/2010 6:43 AM (GMT -6)   
When I started investigating prostate cancer (prior to coming to HW) I drew parallels to my life line and what may have predisposed me to this cancer. idea

It was all a jumble of thoughts and ideas but kept coming back to the level of sexual activity of the individual.
yeah
After I joined HW I learned of different procedures after the fact (surgery, radiation, hormone therapy, etc) and got a better understanding of how the prostate cancer works.

Since I was a young child I always have thought of cancer as its own entity, like an animal trying to survive in a world ( in this case - our body) - what does it eat? - what slows it down - speeds it up... how does it reproduce - how do we kill it - and how does it fight back when we try to kill it. skull

There has been discussions about the overuse of the PSA in diagnosis and treatment of men. But what if there could be a genetic timeline prior to the start of PSA testing? I am a firm believer in preventative medicine - some may dismiss this approach as more testing and more worry and more $$$ to the corporations.

- it is an avenue to approach so that the prostate can be taken care of so it never does develop the triggers that start prostate cancer.

www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C569097.html

sincere hugs
BRONSON

p.s. a good number of postings here suggest a better than average sex life with wife / spouse / partner smilewinkgrin - and regarding my family doctor - of his approx 300 gay patients - 68 have prostate cancer. sad
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Age: 54 - gay - with spouse, Steve - 59
PSA: 04/2007- 1.68 - 08/2009 - 3.46 - 10/2009 - 3.86
Confirmation of Prostate Cancer: October 16, 2009 - 6 of 12 cancerous samples , Gleason 7 (4+3)
Doctor: Dr. Mohamed Elharram -Urologist / Surgeon - Peterborough Regional Health Centre
Radical Prostatectomy Operation: November 18, 2009 , home - November 21, 2009
Post Surgery Biopsy: pT3a- gleason 7 - extraprostatic extension - perineural invasion - prostate weight - 34.1gm -
ED Prescription: Jan 8/2010 - started daily 5mg cialis - girth back to normal -but not much length - will go for trimix in April when I see doc
Incontinence: 3-5 pads/1-2 clothes changes/day- finally seeing improvement - March 3, 2010 - week 14 after surgery -
location: Peteborough, Ontario, Canada
Post Surgery-PSA: to be announced - April 8, 2010
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Post Edited (tatt2man) : 3/12/2010 5:46:22 AM (GMT-7)


Worried Guy
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   Posted 3/12/2010 7:47 AM (GMT -6)   
Bronson,that is a great question. I stated to wonder about that myself when I was looking at your other post.

I moved my comment here.

I found an article relating T levels to other factors:.
Testosterone levels in healthy men and the relation to behavioural and physical characteristics: facts and constructs M Zitzmann and E Nieschlag
Institute of Reproductive Medicine of the University, D-48129 Mu├łnster, Germany
www.eje-online.org/cgi/reprint/144/3/183 (Hit the "Begin manual download" button)

It appears that gay and straight men have the same levels. However, on page 8 in the paper it shows other factors that are affected. Lower Voice pitch, beard growth, balding, are associated with testosterone. If PCa needs T to survive, is there a difference in the incidence of PCa between, bald, heavy beard growth, bass singers and Tenors with light beards and flowing locks.
I see an NIH study in the formation.
Jeff

tatt2man
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   Posted 3/12/2010 8:36 AM (GMT -6)   
With the advent of gay bear sites ( large, bald, furry and bearded men) that is one avenue they have not sought to embrace as a fundraising cause. I may contact one of the local sites and clubs to see if we can change that.
idea
I have chatted with bears at the sites but have found only a few who have come out in their profile as having prostate cancer. ( you can see my early post regarding gay adult-video/magazine star being a 8 year zero club member).
smilewinkgrin
Grrrrr hugs

BRONSON

p.s. gay bears like to GRRRRR..
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Age: 54 - gay - with spouse, Steve - 59
PSA: 04/2007- 1.68 - 08/2009 - 3.46 - 10/2009 - 3.86
Confirmation of Prostate Cancer: October 16, 2009 - 6 of 12 cancerous samples , Gleason 7 (4+3)
Doctor: Dr. Mohamed Elharram -Urologist / Surgeon - Peterborough Regional Health Centre
Radical Prostatectomy Operation: November 18, 2009 , home - November 21, 2009
Post Surgery Biopsy: pT3a- gleason 7 - extraprostatic extension - perineural invasion - prostate weight - 34.1gm -
ED Prescription: Jan 8/2010 - started daily 5mg cialis - girth back to normal -but not much length - will go for trimix in April when I see doc
Incontinence: 3-5 pads/1-2 clothes changes/day- finally seeing improvement - March 3, 2010 - week 14 after surgery -
location: Peteborough, Ontario, Canada
Post Surgery-PSA: to be announced - April 8, 2010
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Post Edited (tatt2man) : 3/12/2010 7:40:10 AM (GMT-7)


Worried Guy
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   Posted 3/12/2010 12:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Bronson.
Wow I am learning a lot today! "Bear" Who knew?
Maybe you can apply for a 50% matching funds grant to study this effect. Those characteristics might be indicators for earlier PSA screening.
I'll be the co-PI (Principal Investigator).
Jeff

engineer55
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   Posted 3/12/2010 6:26 PM (GMT -6)   
I know there are studies that are trying to tie it to eating fatty foods, but everyone seems to want to link to fatty foods these days. I really wondered if bicycle riding has an effect. does seem like we have had a few riders
Dx'ed 5/08 one core 2%  out of 12  3+3 gleason
DREs all negative
PSA was in the 3-4 range then jumped to 7
I have the enlarged prostate, on the order of 100cc.  After taking Avodart for 3 months  my
PSA was cut in half.
I did Active S for a year but concluded that I didn't want a life
of biopsies and Uro meetings.
DaVinci on 6/24/09  UCI Med Center  Dr Ahlering, long surgery based on size and location
Final was 5% one side all clear, but had a huge 90 grm prostate
Now we work on pee control, ok at night but sitting is a big problem.

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