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James C.
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   Posted 3/19/2010 11:29 AM (GMT -6)   
I'd like to remind everyone of the rule against posting copyright material.

Rule 9 says: No posts of copyrighted material. Information copyrighted or owned by any individual or entity other than the person posting should not be posted on the message boards without the consent of the owner.

I know we tend to forget this rule and post long or complete copies of others material, papers, etc. Just a reminder that the recommended method of quoting other material is to give a short (paragraph or less) description of the material, maybe an introductory paragraph from it, then post the link to the original, so those wishing to read more can go there and read the intact, complete original. This method is the accepted way of sharing info, and works just fine here. Posting entire articles intact is considered stealing or plagerism in most circles and is a biggie on the no-no list of literature mistakes. The source link can be copy and pasted into the body of the post, and those who wish and know how can make it clickable by using the URL feature just above the post box. To use it, first click the URL button, then type or paste the link, then click the URL button again. This will add the coding for a clickable link. Manually you can type in the same thing. Just type the square bracket to the right og the P key, then URL then the other square bracket - second key to the right of the P key, then type or paste you link, then another square bracket (next to the P key, then the backslash on the question key, next to the right shift, then the letters URL, and the square bracket, second key on the right from the P key. there, simple, huh? There are no spaces between any of this. smilewinkgrin For demo purpose, I am gonna add spaces, other siw they won't show the coding that I want you to see. [ url ] www.healingwell.com [ / url ]. Remove spacing and you have a clickable link to Healing Well.

So tuck this into the back of your mind and the next time you find a super-duper article to share, remember the copyright rule and do this, ok?
James C. Age 62
Co-Moderator- Prostate Cancer Forum
Gonna Make Myself A Better Man: www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6cX61oNsRQ&feature=channel
4/07 PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS 3/3=6
9/07 Nerve sparing open RRP 110gms.- Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Stg. pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
32 mts: PSA's: .04 each test since surgery, ED Continues-Bimix .3ml PRN or Trimix .15ml PRN


Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 3/19/2010 1:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Understood. (bump)
Age 55   - 5'11"   215lbs
Overall Heath Condition - Good
PSA - July 2007 & Jan 2008 -> 1.3
Biopsy - 03/04/08 -> Gleason 6 
06/25/08 - Da Vinci robotic laparoscopy
05/14/09  - 4th Quarter PSA -> less then .01
11/20/09 - 18 Month PSA -> less then .01
Surgeon - Keith A. Waguespack, M.D.


TheOldFart
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   Posted 3/19/2010 4:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Just a question. What I have done on a couple of other boards is to give a short description or title of a published article and the link to the article. Then I sometimes quote (with quotes) a couple of sentences in the article that are important to the discussion. Am I correct in saying that quoting a very small part of the article that I have given the link to is not permitted?

Purgatory
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   Posted 3/19/2010 4:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Understood, James, good and valid point
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery, no problem post SRT
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12
Latest: 7/9 met 2 rad. oncl, 7/9 cath #6 - blockage, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 out 38 days, 9/9 - met 3rd rad. oncl., mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath/hard dialation, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, 12/7 - Cath #10 43 days, 1/19 - Corr Surgery #4,  Caths #11 and #12  same time, 2/8-Cath #11 out - 21 days, 3/2- Cath #12 out - 41 days, 3/2- Corr Surgery #5, Caths #13 & #14 same time, 3/6 Cath #13 out - 4 days


James C.
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   Posted 3/19/2010 5:18 PM (GMT -6)   
TOF, the use of a quote from the material is fine (permitted), or several to give readers the gist of what you are recommending. Even a paragraph (or two) is ok. I was addressing the issue of someone who copies and pastes the entire article of the writing, which is plagarism and takes up our server space availablity at the same time. There can also be sticky legal issues for our owner if the original writer took offense to being plagarised here. So quote , or cite a paragraph, but not the whole article or book... smilewinkgrin
James C. Age 62
Co-Moderator- Prostate Cancer Forum
Gonna Make Myself A Better Man: www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6cX61oNsRQ&feature=channel
4/07 PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS 3/3=6
9/07 Nerve sparing open RRP 110gms.- Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Stg. pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
32 mts: PSA's: .04 each test since surgery, ED Continues-Bimix .3ml PRN or Trimix .15ml PRN


TheOldFart
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   Posted 3/19/2010 5:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the clarification.

Herophilus
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   Posted 3/20/2010 8:53 AM (GMT -6)   
So it is ok to post the title of articles as I have done this in the past? I think it is important to have scientifically respectable sources for credibility.

Hero


dkob131
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Date Joined Apr 2008
Total Posts : 364
   Posted 3/20/2010 9:28 AM (GMT -6)   

James:  If you are referringto the article I just posted, thanx for the reminder.  I never even thought about the copyright thing.

 

David


 54 y.o.
 Diagnosed 4/10/08
 DRE Normal
 PSA-5.5
 Biopsy- 12 cores, 4 positive highest 4+4=8
 Bone scan, CT scan and Chest X-ray clear 4/16/08
 Urologist suggested surgery 4/16/08
 MRI on 4/24/08 clear no suggestion of lymph node   involvement.
 4/24/08 -Started on Lupron and Casodex preparing for HDRT and IMRT in late July.  This treatment will not preclude me from surgery if I change my mind.
Decide to have DaVinci surgery after another consult with surgeon.
6/19/08- DaVinci surgery at University of Washington.
6/25/08- Path report, clear margins, no noted extension
9/12/08- PSA <0.02 
12/05/08-PSA <0.02 Six months after surgery 
3/02/09-PSA <0.02 Nine months after surgery
5/02/09-PSA .10
8/17/09-PSA .21 Begin HT and set up for SRT to begin in 2 months.
 


James C.
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   Posted 3/20/2010 9:31 AM (GMT -6)   
Yep, titles are fine. Example from the link dkob131 just posted in another thread:

Hey, guys, I just found this article concerning our discussion of surgical margins. (my words...lol

www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/182441.php

(Title of article)
The Impact Of Positive Surgical Margins On Mortality Following Radical Prostatectomy During The Prostate Specific Antigen Era

(First paragraph)
UroToday.com - A positive surgical margin (PSM) after radical prostatectomy (RP) for prostate cancer (CaP) is a known risk factor for disease progression. A PSM is reported to occur in 19%-50% of patients undergoing RP. In most studies, biochemical recurrence (BCR) is the primary endpoint used to assess the impact of margin status. A report from the Mayo Clinic that appears in the online edition of the Journal of Urology evaluates the incidence and clinicopathologic features associated with a PSM during the PSA era. The impact of margin status on the risks of local recurrence, systemic progression, cancer death and overall mortality following RP was determined.

Short, simple and gets the important stuff read early, so people can quickly decide if they want for pursue it further.
James C. Age 62
Co-Moderator- Prostate Cancer Forum
Gonna Make Myself A Better Man: www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6cX61oNsRQ&feature=channel
4/07 PSA 7.6, referred to Urologist, recheck 6.7
7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS 3/3=6
9/07 Nerve sparing open RRP 110gms.- Path Report: GS 3+3=6 Stg. pT2c, 110gms, margins clear
32 mts: PSA's: .04 each test since surgery, ED Continues-Bimix .3ml PRN or Trimix .15ml PRN


geezer99
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   Posted 3/20/2010 8:42 PM (GMT -6)   
These are good points to keep in mind. Limited quotation from copyrighted is permitted by law (the copyright act of 1976) and is called "fair use." This can be a tricky issue, but giving the citation -- author, title, source is fair use. Copying a paragraph of a similar number of sentences from a scientific article would almost certainly also come under fair use.

By the way, copyright protects what lawyers call the "utterance" which is how you say something as opposed to what you say. Copyright does not protect facts. Thus, if you were to rewrite an article in your own words it would not violate copyright even though all of the ideas were in the original. Here I am on the topic of scientific papers. Authors of "artistic" or "literary" works generally have greater protection.

A last thought. Plagiarism, the representing of someone's words or ideas as your own, is more of a sin than a crime. Thus scholarly writers are very careful to credit ideas and short quotes from others because doing so is a part of the "rules" of scholarship, not because of legal issues like copyright.
Age at diagnosis 66, PSA 5.5
Biopsy 12/08 12 cores, 8 positive
Gleason 3+4=7
CAT scan, Bone scan 1/09 both negative.

Robotic surgery 03/03/09 Catheter Out 03/08/09
Pathology: Lymph nodes & Seminal vesicles negative
Margins positive, Capsular penetration extensive Gleason 4+3=7
6 weeks: 1 pad/day, 1 pad/night -- mostly dry at night.
10 weeks: no pad at night -- slight leakage day/1 pad.
3 mo. PSA 0.0 - now light pads
6 mo. PSA 0.00 -- 1 light pad/day
9 mo. PSA 0.00 -- 1 light pad/day ED remains

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