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BB_Fan
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   Posted 4/2/2010 5:02 AM (GMT -6)   
Since my psa began to rise in mid-January of this year, I have gone on a low fat diet, no red meat and added pomegranet, soy and green tea. It has worked out well in that I have lost over 15 lbs. Althought psa coninues to rise. One thing that I haven't done is reduce/eliminate alcohol. In fact I have gone from a drink or two in the evening to 3 or 4. Question for those how are changed their diet due to PCa. How have you addressed the issue of alcohol consumption? Am I offsetting any positive effects of my diet on slowing the PCa growth by not also reducing/eliminating alcohol? I know there is a lot of debate on diet and effects on PCa growth, but I am interested in what others have found and are doing. BB
Dx with PC Dec 2008, PSA 3.4, Biopsy: T1c, Geason 7

Robotic Surgery March 2009 Hartford Hospital
Pathology Report: T2c, Geason 8, organ confined, negitive margins, lymph nodes negitive
nerves spared, no negitive side effects of surgery

One night in hospital, back to work in 3 weeks

psa Junl 09 <.01
psa Oct 09 <.01
psa Jan 10 .07 re-test one week later .05


rob2
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   Posted 4/2/2010 5:23 AM (GMT -6)   
I used to drink beer and wine but haven't had a drop since surgery. For the most part, I was working continent issues at night time and figured drinking wouldn't help. I drink lots of cranberry juice, etc. but basically have kept to the same diet.
 
Age 48 at diagnosis
occupation accountant
PSA increased from 2.6 to 3.5 in one year
biopsy march 2008 - cancer present gleason 7
Robotic Surgery May 9, 2008 - houston, tx
Pathology report -gleason 8, clear margins
22 month  PSA <.04
continent at 10 weeks (no pads!)
ED is still an issue


BB_Fan
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   Posted 4/2/2010 5:30 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Rob2, I am also an accountant. Do soon will likely be a retired accountant.
Dx with PC Dec 2008 at 56, PSA 3.4, Biopsy: T1c, Geason 7 (3+4)

Robotic Surgery March 2009 Hartford Hospital, Dr Wagner
Pathology Report: T2c, Geason 8, organ confined, negitive margins, lymph nodes negitive
nerves spared, no negitive side effects of surgery

One night in hospital, back to work in 3 weeks

psa Junl 09 <.01
psa Oct 09 <.01
psa Jan 10 .07 re-test one week later .05
psa Mar 10 .28


Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 4/2/2010 5:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Alcohol consumption can help your mental state for a hour or two. Odds are it isn't any sort of factor when it comes to cancer..
 
Guess it would also depend on what you're drinking.
Age 55   - 5'11"   215lbs
Overall Heath Condition - Good
PSA - July 2007 & Jan 2008 -> 1.3
Biopsy - 03/04/08 -> Gleason 6 
06/25/08 - Da Vinci robotic laparoscopy
05/14/09  - 4th Quarter PSA -> less then .01
11/20/09 - 18 Month PSA -> less then .01
Surgeon - Keith A. Waguespack, M.D.


tatt2man
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   Posted 4/2/2010 6:15 AM (GMT -6)   
BB-fan -
I did a google search and didn't find much of value other than this link -
www.drcatalona.com/qa/arch_psa.asp

question -Does alcohol affect the PSA score?
answer -No..... [short and sweet ]..

My only concern is that you have increased your normal alcohol consumption after your diagnosis and surgery.... could it be masking other areas of concern regarding: emotional, sexual or psychological well-being or lack thereof ?


sincere hugs
BRONSON
.................
Age: 54 - gay - with common-law spouse of 13 years, Steve - 59
PSA: 04/2007- 1.68 - 08/2009 - 3.46 - 10/2009 - 3.86
Confirmation of Prostate Cancer: October 16, 2009 - 6 of 12 cancerous samples , Gleason 7 (4+3)
Doctor: Dr. Mohamed Elharram -Urologist / Surgeon - Peterborough Regional Health Centre
Radical Prostatectomy Operation: November 18, 2009 , home - November 21, 2009
Post Surgery Biopsy: pT3a- gleason 7 - extraprostatic extension - perineural invasion - prostate weight - 34.1gm -
ED Prescription: Jan 8/2010 - started daily 5mg cialis - girth back to normal -but not much length - will go for trimix in April when I see doc
Incontinence: Feb 2010- 3-5 pads/1-2 clothes changes/day- March 3, 2010 - week 14 after surgery -finally seeing improvement - March 29- incontinence better - 1-2 pads a day - one pad at night
location: Peteborough, Ontario, Canada
Post Surgery-PSA: to be announced - April 8, 2010
............


Cajun Jeff
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   Posted 4/2/2010 7:46 AM (GMT -6)   
This post reminded me of something. For the the longest time if I had beer or wine I would get a little leaking. eyes Yesterday I had some friends over and opened a bottle and had a couple of glasses and it just dawned on me...NO LEAK!!!!

Cajun Jeff
9/08 PSA 5.4 referred to Urologist
9/08 Biopsy: GS 3+4=7 1 positive core in 12 1 pre cancer core
10/08 Nerve-Sparing open radical
Surgery Path Report Downgrade 3+3=6 GS Stage pT2c margins clear

3 month: PSA <0.1
6 month: PSA <0.1
10 month:PSA <0.1
1 year: PSA <0.1
16 month:PSA <0.1

ED - Started Cialis at 3 months, tried all 3, 6 months added pump, 9 months Tried MUSE (YUCK) Bad experience.
1 year mark Found new Urologist visit was at 14th month post surgery
Started Injections, Caverject! (Success)
17 month: ED making improvements : Oral Meds gets me 85%


Purgatory
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   Posted 4/2/2010 8:18 AM (GMT -6)   
Gee, it must be "bean counter" hour, I work as a Control or CFO in finance.

As far as alcohol, I haven't had a single drop since 1973, that's 37 years without as much as a sip of beer. Being totally "dry" never stopped me from having cancer 4 times, never stopped my PSA from a rapid rise mode presurgery, or post surgery. And with all I have been through, it hasn't made me want to start drinking.

I have nothing against drinking. I keep a nicely stocked bar at home for family and guests, and my wife loves her wine nightly. I do question the health benefit even in drinking red wine, because from what I have studied, its something in the grapes themselvew, not grapes in the form of alcohol. so you good get the same benefit without the alchohol.

Interestingly, it was suggested by my dr. to at least drink some non-alchoholic beer from time to time, to help flush out the urinary system.
Haven't done it yet, but have thought about it.

David in SC
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery, no problem post SRT
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12
Latest: 7/9 met 2 rad. oncl, 7/9 cath #6 - blockage, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 out 38 days, 9/9 - met 3rd rad. oncl., mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath/hard dialation, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, 12/7 - Cath #10 43 days, 1/19 - Corr Surgery #4,  Caths #11 and #12  same time, 2/8-Cath #11 out - 21 days, 3/2- Cath #12 out - 41 days, 3/2- Corr Surgery #5, 3/6 Cath #13 out - 4 days, Cath #14 out - 27 days, Cath #15 - 3/29


Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 4/2/2010 8:47 AM (GMT -6)   
Funny story. Thirty years ago I was being treated for ulcers.
 
Doc tells me NO more Beer. But if I must have a cocktail I can have a few Martinis.
 
I said WHAT. You say it’s ok to drink straight VODKA but not a few beers???
 
Four beers is 48 fluid ounce of liquid that the body must process and digest. A few Martinis is a lot less liquidyeah

Casey59
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   Posted 4/2/2010 8:55 AM (GMT -6)   
BB_Fan said...
Question for those how are changed their diet due to PCa. How have you addressed the issue of alcohol consumption?
 
To your question above...
 
I drink a glass of red wine fairly regularly for the known, well-documented positive health benefits (in addition to adhereing relatively well to an overall heart-healthy diet).
 
However, given that alcohol is known to diminish sexual performance, it would be counter-productive and make no sense to take a PDE-5 inhibitor to improve sexual performance and to also imbibe in any alcohol on the same day/night...so I skip the wine on as many nights as possible. 
wink   

logoslidat
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   Posted 4/2/2010 9:24 AM (GMT -6)   
I limit myself to 1 or maybe 2 green bottles or red wine, not both, for the taste or levestorel. Any thing more, to me, is self medication, and I think you know, though neutral as for as cancer goes, really isnt good for numerous reasons. Brother, take it easy on yourself, You ae going to be allright. YOU have to be in control of this. The things you are doing nutrionally is an example of that. Know work on your mind and try replace the negative thoughts with positive thoughts. This is not wishful thinking and pollyanna land. This is as strong a medicine as any thing out there, fo real!!!!
age 66 First psa 4/17/09 psa 8.3, 7/27/09 psa 8.1
8/12/09 biopsy 6 out of 12 pos 2-70%, rest <5% 3+3
10/19/09 open rrp U of W Medical Center, left bundle spared
10/30/09 catheter out. continent from the jump.
pathology- prostate confined, only thing positive was the report.everything else negative
9% of prostate affected. gleason 3+4, I suppose thats a negative
After reading pathology myself, gleason was 3+4 with tertiary 5, 2-3 foci That is a negative, but I am a positive !!
Ed an issue but keeping the blood flowing with the osbon pump
8 week psa 0,o

Hypocrisy is vice's homage to Virtue


RCS
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   Posted 4/2/2010 10:21 AM (GMT -6)   
I've been eating a lot like you ... I'm trying to follow the Milken cookbook(s).  I figure if low fat, green tea, soy, etc. helped him with his PC it can't hurt me. 
 
I cut the alcohol back because it was my understanding that heavy alcohol use on a regular basis increased the risk of PC; therefore, I figured it could increase my odds of having a return of my PC.  Currently, I try to stay with one glass of wine per night ... sometimes its a big glass.  I've found that two drinks will usually give me night sweats ... something new since the RLP. I guess the night sweats made it easier for me to cut back on alcohol ... they are annoying.
 
Good Luck!
PSA 2007 - 2.8
PSA 11/24/2008 - 76.6
Pc Dx 2/11/09; age at Dx 62
RLP 4/20/09
Biopsy - Invasive moderately differentiated prostativ andenocarconoma; G 3+3=6; PT2C; No evidence of Seminal Vesicle or Extraprostatic Involvement; Margins clear; Tumor identified in sections from prostatic apex.
Immediately continent after removal of cath.
ED - Trimix works well; viagra @ 60%
PSA - 7/31/09 <0.06
PSA - 12/1/09 <0.06
PSA - 3/29/10 <0.06
 
 
 


Worried Guy
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   Posted 4/2/2010 1:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Incontinence is my concern now. When I drink anything, I pee it all out an hour later. I have not had a beer in ages, only a little wine now and then. I drink water at night just before bed to rehydrate and replenish the fluids. I have not change my diet at all.

I don't mean to sound like your mother but, keep an eye on the doubling of your alcohol intake. It's a slippery slope.
Good Luck,
Jeff (the leaking one)
Married 34 years, DX Age 56. First routine PSA test on April 8, 09: 17.8. Start 2 weeks of Cipro to rule out protatitis. May '09 PSA: 22.6, 3 weeks later: PSA: 23.2.
Biopsy 6/10/09: 7/12 scores positive, 20%-70%, Gleason 6=3+3. Bone and C/T scans neg.
RP DaVinci -7/21/2009 @ Univ of Roch Medical Center
Left nerve gone, right partial spared.
Catheter removed - 7/31/2009 Pathology report received:
Gleason 3+4=7, Tumor size: 2.5 x 1.8 cm, location: both lobes and apex.
Extraprostatic extension present; Perineural invasion: present, extensive.
No Malignancy in Seminal Vesicle, vasa deferentia, lymph nodes 0/13
Prostate mass 56 grams. Pathologic Stage: pT3aN0MX
Post Surgery Status:
Potency - 12/11 5 months, Still no activity, zip. Using pump daily since 11/11. No effect with 20 mg of Cialis or 100 mg of Viagra. Shots next See Uro 1/22/10 Trimix #1. Try 0.08- 25%, 0.12-25%, 2/26/10 try 0.16 First Success! 90%.
Incontinence - 8/20 4 full pads per day
.. 9/7 3-4 full pads per day (Try cutting down on fluids. Bad idea. I know.)
12/11/09 5 months: 3 pads per day, 400-450ml/day
02/26/10 7 months: 3 pads but leak is now 320 ml (5 day avg.)
03/22/10 8 months: 3 pads per day, 280 ml/day (5 day avg.) PT says all muscles are tight and working properly. There must be another issue. Uro mtg 4/23. Did I waste 6 months?
Post Surgery PSA - 9/3 6 weeks - 0.05; 10/13 3 months - 0.04, 1/14 6 months - 0.05.


Paul1959
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   Posted 4/2/2010 5:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Jeff,
For the next GFMPH weekend, we are bringing a keg, and putting you in a kids plastic pool. I think you owe it to yourself.
Paul
www.franktalk.org ED website for PCa guys

46 at Diagnosis.
Father died of Pca 4/07 at 86.
10/07 PSA 5.06 (Biopsy 11/07 1 of 12 with 8% involvment) (1mm)
Da Vinci surgery Jan 5, '08 at Mt. Sinai Hosp. NYC www.roboticoncology.com
Saved both nerve bundles.
Path Report: Stage T2cNxMx
-Gleason (3+3)6
Pad free on March 14 - (10 weeks.) Never a problem since.
ED - at one year, ED is fine with viagra.
Two year PSA - undetectable!


Worried Guy
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   Posted 4/2/2010 6:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Paul,

Those condom catheters seem mighty tempting. With a 1/2 inch hole drilled into the living room floor I can run my tygon tubing directly into the sump pump.
The next GFMPH event will be even better.
Beers are on me.
Jeff (still leakin')

BB_Fan
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   Posted 4/2/2010 7:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for responses. I know the doubling up on alcohol consumption is generally not good and something that I need to deal with for general health concerns. I have always enjoyed a gin and tonic after work and perhaps a glass a wine with dinner. I believe, what I am hearing is that alcohol consumption is not considered something that will promote prostate cancer growth, but should be a general health concern.
Dx with PC Dec 2008 at 56, PSA 3.4, Biopsy: T1c, Geason 7 (3+4)

Robotic Surgery March 2009 Hartford Hospital, Dr Wagner
Pathology Report: T2c, Geason 8, organ confined, negitive margins, lymph nodes negitive
nerves spared, no negitive side effects of surgery

One night in hospital, back to work in 3 weeks

psa Junl 09 <.01
psa Oct 09 <.01
psa Jan 10 .07 re-test one week later .05
psa Mar 10 .28


BB_Fan
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   Posted 4/2/2010 8:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Paul, what is GFMPH week end. I didn't get my invite. RCS, I also have the Milken cookbook and I am trying to follow the diet, I think that I need to get to one glass of wine per night. Although a vegen diet at this point seems to me beyond me. I can give up red meat, cheese and eggs, but I need a piece of fish and chicken every couple of days. How do you deal with St Patricks day and Thanksgiving. Milken has had great success, but seems to have been very rigid in adhearing to hid diet.
Dx with PC Dec 2008 at 56, PSA 3.4, Biopsy: T1c, Geason 7 (3+4)

Robotic Surgery March 2009 Hartford Hospital, Dr Wagner
Pathology Report: T2c, Geason 8, organ confined, negitive margins, lymph nodes negitive
nerves spared, no negitive side effects of surgery

One night in hospital, back to work in 3 weeks

psa Junl 09 <.01
psa Oct 09 <.01
psa Jan 10 .07 re-test one week later .05
psa Mar 10 .28


Paul1959
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   Posted 4/2/2010 8:21 PM (GMT -6)   
BB
GFMPH was a weekend at Worried Guy's place in NY. We had a great time last September, and I'm pushing him have another one this year. I think by virtue of being here you are invited! It was a lot of fun. Just us guys, leaking and all.
Paul
www.franktalk.org ED website for PCa guys

46 at Diagnosis.
Father died of Pca 4/07 at 86.
10/07 PSA 5.06 (Biopsy 11/07 1 of 12 with 8% involvment) (1mm)
Da Vinci surgery Jan 5, '08 at Mt. Sinai Hosp. NYC www.roboticoncology.com
Saved both nerve bundles.
Path Report: Stage T2cNxMx
-Gleason (3+3)6
Pad free on March 14 - (10 weeks.) Never a problem since.
ED - at one year, ED is fine with viagra.
Two year PSA - undetectable!


BB_Fan
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   Posted 4/2/2010 8:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Cool. I am in CT, Let me know when and I'll bring the beer.
Dx with PC Dec 2008 at 56, PSA 3.4, Biopsy: T1c, Geason 7 (3+4)

Robotic Surgery March 2009 Hartford Hospital, Dr Wagner
Pathology Report: T2c, Geason 8, organ confined, negitive margins, lymph nodes negitive
nerves spared, no negitive side effects of surgery

One night in hospital, back to work in 3 weeks

psa Junl 09 <.01
psa Oct 09 <.01
psa Jan 10 .07 re-test one week later .05
psa Mar 10 .28


RCS
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   Posted 4/3/2010 6:47 AM (GMT -6)   
BB_Fan,
 
Yeah, Milkens diet is very hard for me to keep to ... and his receipes take a long time to prepare ... but I do keep trying.
 
I've focused on incorporating the easy stuff ... like the soy shakes in the morning (but sometimes oatmeal), green tea instead of coffee (but sometimes coffee).
 
I do eat fish, and the wife will add turkey pieces to chili's and other dishes (not a big piece but small bits).  I figure my meat consumption is 1/10 of what it was (no more steaks on the barby, Big Macs, etc.).  Haven't developed a taste for the tofu meat (or cheese) substitutes. 
 
The longer I try the diet  the easier it becomes to change my eating habits ... but I do fall of the wagon.
 
I guess I'm on a MMM diet (Modified Michael Milken diet).
PSA 2007 - 2.8
PSA 11/24/2008 - 7.6
Pc Dx 2/11/09; age at Dx 62
RLP 4/20/09
Biopsy - Invasive moderately differentiated prostatic andenocarconoma; G 3+3=6; PT2C; No evidence of Seminal Vesicle or Extraprostatic Involvement; Margins clear; Tumor identified in sections from prostatic apex.
Immediately continent after removal of cath.
ED - Trimix works well; viagra @ 60%
PSA - 7/31/09 <0.06
PSA - 12/1/09 <0.06
PSA - 3/29/10 <0.06
 
 
 


Worried Guy
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   Posted 4/3/2010 8:17 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey BB_Fan and others.
I'll do it again this year - of course.

GFMPH stands for Good For Men's Prostate Health. It was a little joke between us guys. We discovered that we could get anything we wanted if we made the request in a very specific format. Shhh... write this down!!!
"Dear, May I fill in your request here ? I heard that it was GFMPH." Whether it be for food, travel, goods or services you'll be amazed at how quickly the answer is in the affirmative. smilewinkgrin

September is Prostate Cancer awareness month. Since we discuss PCa concerns, organizational issues for a non profit and supply full meeting minutes some guys actually claim it on their income tax. Now that's GFMPH!

Here are the minutes from last year: GFMPH 2009 Minutes
Mark your calendars
Jeff

(Honestly, the guys I met that weekend really helped me put this whole PCa thing in perspective. I gained a lot.)

Post Edited (Worried Guy) : 4/3/2010 9:25:07 AM (GMT-6)


Paul1959
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   Posted 4/3/2010 10:44 PM (GMT -6)   
BB -
Where in CT are you? I'm just over the line from Danbury - in New York.
email me
Paul
www.franktalk.org ED website for PCa guys

46 at Diagnosis.
Father died of Pca 4/07 at 86.
10/07 PSA 5.06 (Biopsy 11/07 1 of 12 with 8% involvment) (1mm)
Da Vinci surgery Jan 5, '08 at Mt. Sinai Hosp. NYC www.roboticoncology.com
Saved both nerve bundles.
Path Report: Stage T2cNxMx
-Gleason (3+3)6
Pad free on March 14 - (10 weeks.) Never a problem since.
ED - at one year, ED is fine with viagra.
Two year PSA - undetectable!


BB_Fan
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   Posted 4/5/2010 5:55 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm in Tolland Country. The other side of the state. about 10 miles for UCONN (Storrs). I am also a big soccer fan. I catch alot of the UConn games, both men an woman.
Dx with PC Dec 2008 at 56, PSA 3.4, Biopsy: T1c, Geason 7 (3+4)

Robotic Surgery March 2009 Hartford Hospital, Dr Wagner
Pathology Report: T2c, Geason 8, organ confined, negitive margins, lymph nodes negitive
nerves spared, no negitive side effects of surgery

One night in hospital, back to work in 3 weeks

psa Junl 09 <.01
psa Oct 09 <.01
psa Jan 10 .07 re-test one week later .05
psa Mar 10 .28


BB_Fan
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   Posted 4/5/2010 5:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Although Danbury is only about 90 minutes or so away.
Dx with PC Dec 2008 at 56, PSA 3.4, Biopsy: T1c, Geason 7 (3+4)

Robotic Surgery March 2009 Hartford Hospital, Dr Wagner
Pathology Report: T2c, Geason 8, organ confined, negitive margins, lymph nodes negitive
nerves spared, no negitive side effects of surgery

One night in hospital, back to work in 3 weeks

psa Junl 09 <.01
psa Oct 09 <.01
psa Jan 10 .07 re-test one week later .05
psa Mar 10 .28

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