Agree with John T - concerning hormone therapies, first off the bit about
survival times as being the same and make no difference....well this data or doc thinking is based upon "averages" so individually some people live longer and some don't, some live shorter too. (Welcome to the Jungle of PCa- disease level, aggressiveness, volume, ploidy DNA and more as variables). I know of people whom have broken this bullshirt about
2-5 yrs. life span, it includes me....I should have been dead long ago based upon those experts whom say 2-5 yrs., Oh I had light duty PCa?????? NO WAY- total urinary blockage in an emergency room, bPSA 46.6 12/12 biopsies how many guys to you see with 75-95% found in all 12 of those (statistically the gland should be about
90-100 cancer logically), Gleasons scores found 7,8,9's two sets like that. Now I am at year 8.3+ right now and not yet in any serious trouble(I know that can change), all my tests show normal ranges, T-test now at 26 which you want it zero or low.
Now I did not do standard protocol that the uro-doc suggested (Lupron) for life, did (ADT3)2 yrs., then switched to alternative estrogenic drug been on that sometimes random like intermittent for about
5 yrs. Dr. Fred Lee has been on his therapy approx. 8-10 yrs. atleast, so this PCa doc wouldn't agree with the 2-5 yr. gig and probably that is why he didn't do standard sold protocol for his case, so would his peers call him crazy for doing estrogenic drug? (he didn't do Lupron or other LHRH drugs). That type of thing sure interests me and seen others do such things as more evidence.
Howard Hansen is at year 17 in his PCa battle, he now has brain mets, which the leading oncologists mentioned in their conference that this the first patient they know of whom has acquired brain mets after such a long period of time, and they seemed to conclude his success in managing his PCa for this long via alternative protocols has gotten the PCa to show up here rather than alot of his bones, or such. He is a testimony for why the 2-5 yr. thing and 'it makes no difference' should not be told as 'FACT' maybe an averages thing, not FACT. Like in other cancers some people do better, even with worse stats than someone else....alot of factors go into this. So, probably good for the patient to decide your choices or when or what....your doctor doesn't die, you do! I admire those whom quest and do whatever in trying to win the battle regardless of the odds. There are PCa warriors on Yananow whom had much lesser stats than mine (maybe even similar age group) whom died within the 2-5 yrs. thing, their are some others with stats worse than mine and still fighting or were fighting recently (not very many listed on yananow). Like John T mentioned the leading onco-docs know much more about
protocols to use and try, they likely can get someone more results, nobody has been cured that I know of, but living even months, or years longer....you got ask yourself what is it worth to you. Also with these onco docs they can address quality of life along the way and help with easing pains and issues, perhaps more compassionately than some other docs. Like Dr. Strum recent put on the internet- 5-8% of docs are experts or very good, 70% are average and 20% are dangerous. So whom knows the most about
PCa from all angles, surgeons, radiologists or oncologists? So who's advice would you seek for terminal scenario and why??? Do have an average doc or an expert, are you sure? Do you want to find a better doc?
Jerry I see your stats posted, did you see mine and my scenario from 2002 April, posted above? You should probably atleast try those second line drugs and see what results happen , before jumping into clinical trials (huge unknowns), or chemo protocols.
Fairwind- Orihectomy shouldn't be as good as ADT3 or ADT2, because? it shuts down production only from testicals, not the adrenal glands that make some testosterone and some of that your body naturally converts to dihydra-testostorone which is like 10 times more potent and PCa prefers it, in effect for growth issues. I could be wrong, but I believe that is what I gleened from readings. Orichetomy can be effective and doesn't cost that much, especially in the long run. I think alot of men cringe at the idea of those jewels being put on the guilleotine and chopped. Proscar in ADT3 is used to block dihydratestostorone.
Youth is wasted on the Young-(W.C. Fields)
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