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Purgatory
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   Posted 7/15/2010 1:56 PM (GMT -6)   
As you know, I have been wearing both a SP and Foley catheter at the same time since my last operation on July 2nd.  It has been a most painful ordeal.  Originally, the doctor was going to remove it on July 9th or 12th at the latest.  It has caused me so much pain this time around, so today, with my wife's assistance, I chose to remove the foley cath, and it came out pain free and nice and easy.  It was in me for 13 days, and I just couldn't stand the thought of going through any more extreme anquish and pain until next Monday afternoon.  Had already spent 2 weekends miserable, didn't want to spend a third.  I may be wrong, but I don't believe removing it a few days early in my case is going to make any negative impact, it will just eliminate some pain.  Still will be meeting with my dr next Monday, and see where we go from them.  Still hurts a lot with the other one still in place, but hoping some of the soreness in my penis/bladder neck will ease off now that the foley isn't being pulled through the middel of it all.  That was the region that caused me so much pain before this last operation.  It was already enflamed and sore to begin.  In any event, I am the patient, and I did what I needed to do at the moment.
 
David in SC
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery, no problem post SRT
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, next one:  July
Latest:  7/9 cath #6 - 41 days, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 - 38 days, mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, Cath #10 43 days, 1/19 - Corr Surgery #4,  Caths #11 and #12 ,Cath #11 - 21 days,  Cath #12 - 41 days, 3/2- Corr Surgery #5, Cath #13 - 4 days, Cath #14- 27 days, Cath #15 - 26 days, Cath #16 - 31 days, Cath #17 - 39 days, 7/2 - Corr Surgery #6, 7/2 - Caths #18 & #19


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   Posted 7/15/2010 1:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Braver soul than me - hope the pain eases off. Missed you on chat - signed in about 5 minutes after you bailed. Nobody else there for a half-hour - signed off and went to bed.

Purgatory
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   Posted 7/15/2010 2:05 PM (GMT -6)   
I had spent a full hour in the chat, there were about 7 at peak, never saw you, finally was too sore to be sitting there any more, so I left. Always next time.
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery, no problem post SRT
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, next one:  July
Latest:  7/9 cath #6 - 41 days, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 - 38 days, mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, Cath #10 43 days, 1/19 - Corr Surgery #4,  Caths #11 and #12 ,Cath #11 - 21 days,  Cath #12 - 41 days, 3/2- Corr Surgery #5, Cath #13 - 4 days, Cath #14- 27 days, Cath #15 - 26 days, Cath #16 - 31 days, Cath #17 - 39 days, 7/2 - Corr Surgery #6, 7/2 - Caths #18 & #19


ejn
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   Posted 7/15/2010 2:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Completely understand why you would do that.  Hope it all works out for you.

Magaboo
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   Posted 7/15/2010 2:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi David. Just wanted to let you know that my sympathies are still with you in your agonizing journey. Wish I had the words to make your suffering a bit easier. I can only hope and wish that things will turn around for you very soon.  Hang in there my friend, things will have to get better soon.
Wishing all the best for you.
 
Magaboo

Born Sept 1936
PSA 7.9
-ve DRE
Gleason's Score 3+4=7, 2 of 8 positive
Open RP 28 Nov 06 (nerve sparing), Post op staging T3a
Gleasons still 3+4=7
Seminal vesicles and lymph nodes clear
Catheter out 15 Dec 06, Dry since 11 Feb 07
All PSA tests in 2007 (4) <.04
PSA tests in 2008: Mar.=.04; Jun.=.05; Sept.=.08; 3 days before Rad Start=0.1
Salvage RT completed (33 days - 66 Grays) on the 19th Dec., 08.
PSA in Jan., 09=0.05; July 09=<0.04; JAN 10=<0.04; Jul 10=<.04


Jakester
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   Posted 7/15/2010 2:39 PM (GMT -6)   
I am glad this will give you some relief over the weekend and amazed at your endurance and patience... I say this with a lot of awe, breaking my lower leg bones last year wasn't that bad, the past year of limping as the screws are working out has been driving me up a tree. I don't think my wife would put up with me if I was working through what you have had to contend with. I only hope for you that more relief will come soon.

Our best,
Jake
Diagnosed 8/2008 Pre-op psa 4.2, Age 60 at dx
7 of 12 biopsies positive 3+3
DaVinci LRP 11/08
Post Op pathology clear margins, confined to prostate, absent extraprostatic extension, vascular or perineural. Gleason 3+4=7, 5-10% of 4 and location in right mid-gland.
3 month psa .1 2/09, 6 month .1 5/09, 9 month .2 8/09
broke ankle bones 6/09
9/21/09 Bone scan clear, psa still .2
11/12/09 chest xray was clear, psa however up to .3,
01/05/10 psa still .3, radiation setup done with tats, 01/19/10 started 39 sessions 70.2gy, psa at 6th week salvage IMRT up to .4
Post SRT psa at 10 weeks (5/31/2010) down to .2


Purgatory
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   Posted 7/15/2010 5:02 PM (GMT -6)   
thank you guys.

as a nurse that nurses the long termed and critical cases, she has a lot of empathy to one in pain, she is my rock through this crisis for sure.

as an update, my pain level early this evening is probably been reduced by 50-60% easily from this time last night. hoping to feel much better in a day or so, least get back to where i was before this last operation. can't lie, 2 weeks with both caths were pushing me beyond a limits of understanding and logic, i tried to tough it out to next monday, but just couldnt do it, it was keeping me too mentally upset, aside from the pain. i think someone would have to be in this situation to truly understand. i am as weak as the next man when it comes to pain, i assure you i have no special abilities or endurance, just been dealing with long term unuusal circumstances.

david
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery, no problem post SRT
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, next one:  July
Latest:  7/9 cath #6 - 41 days, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 - 38 days, mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, Cath #10 43 days, 1/19 - Corr Surgery #4,  Caths #11 and #12 ,Cath #11 - 21 days,  Cath #12 - 41 days, 3/2- Corr Surgery #5, Cath #13 - 4 days, Cath #14- 27 days, Cath #15 - 26 days, Cath #16 - 31 days, Cath #17 - 39 days, 7/2 - Corr Surgery #6, Cath #18 - 13 days, Cath #19 still in place


BillyMac
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   Posted 7/15/2010 5:33 PM (GMT -6)   
There are times when enough is enough. You've endured much pain and misery for far longer than most of us could and I can only imagine what it is like to have some partial relief. I am sorry I missed you and the others on chat yesterday ------ as well as being a well known fumble fingers I must have got my time zones confused. I checked in about 1 PM our time but alas, all had vanished.
Bill
Biopsy
4 of 10 cores positive for Adenocarcinoma-------bummer!
Core 1 <5%, core 2----50%, core 3----60%, core 4----50%
Biopsy Pathologist's comment: [/color]
Gleason 4+3=7 (80% grade 4) Stage T2c
Neither extracapsular nor perineural invasion is identified
CT scan and Bone scan show no evidence of metastases
Da Vinci RP Aug 10th 2007
Post-op
Positive for perineural invasion and 1 small focal extension
Negative at surgical margins, negative node and negative vesicle involvement
Some 4+4=8 identified ........upgraded to Gleason 8
PSA Oct '07 <0.1 undetectable
PSA Jan '08 <0.1 undetectable
PSA April '08 <0.001 undetectable (disregarded due to lab "misreporting")
PSA August '08 <0.001 undetectable (disregarded due to lab "misreporting")
Post-op pathology rechecked by new lab:
Gleason downgraded to 4+3=7
Focal extension comprised of grade 3 cells
PSA September '08 <0.01 (new lab)
PSA February 09 <0.01
PSA August '09 (2 year mark), <0.01
PSA December '09 <0.01 PSA May '10 <0.01


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Purgatory
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   Posted 7/15/2010 6:51 PM (GMT -6)   
thanks billy, i called for you last night, but you never came...sobs. well, there's always next time around. i didnt stay as long as usual, as i was too sore last night.
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery, no problem post SRT
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, next one:  July
Latest:  7/9 cath #6 - 41 days, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 - 38 days, mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, Cath #10 43 days, 1/19 - Corr Surgery #4,  Caths #11 and #12 ,Cath #11 - 21 days,  Cath #12 - 41 days, 3/2- Corr Surgery #5, Cath #13 - 4 days, Cath #14- 27 days, Cath #15 - 26 days, Cath #16 - 31 days, Cath #17 - 39 days, 7/2 - Corr Surgery #6, Cath #18 - 13 days, Cath #19 still in place


mvesr
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   Posted 7/15/2010 6:55 PM (GMT -6)   
david

A man has to do what a man has to do. Good luck

Mika
age at dx 54 now 58
psa at dx 4.3
got the bad news 1/29/07
open surgery Duke Medical Center 5-29-07
never more than 2 pads
ED is getting better
the shots work great, still can't give them to myself
three years of zero's
Retired again after 36 years February 1, 2010


compiler
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   Posted 7/15/2010 7:15 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi David:
 
My grandaughter is here this week so I haven't gotten on much. Let me add a belated Happy Birthday. At our age (well, MY age), birthdays engender awkward feelings. I can't celebrate getting another year older. But I CAN celebrate just being here. In other words, another birthday is an ACCOMPLISHMENT!!
 
Just my weird take on things.
 
I can only with you the best on this miserable catheter journey! What else can I say (that I haven't already said!)?
 
Mel

63 years old . PSA-- 3/08--2.90; 8/09--4.01; 11/09--4.19 (Free PSA 24%),  after 45 days on cipro! DREs have always been normal. PCA-3 was about 75 (way above the 35 threshold). That led to:

Biopsy on 11/30/09. 5 out of 12 cores positive. Gleason 4+3. 2 cores were 3+3 (one 5% and the other 30%) on one side. On  other side:2 cores are 4+3 (5%)--1 core 3+4 (30%) no peri-neural invasion. prostate is 45 grams. Stage: T1C.  

Surgery with Dr. Menon at Ford Hospital, 1/26/10. He says all looked good. Spared nerves. Unfortunately: Pathology Report: G 4+3 (65%-35%). Cancer in 15% of gland. Lymph Nodes: Clear.  Perineural Invasion: yes. Seminal Vessical Involvement: No.  Extraprostatic Extension: yes.  Positive Margin: Yes-- focal-- 1 spot .5mm. Final Weight is 52.7 gms.  (Second opinion from Jon Epstein at Hopkins confirmed these results)

 Incontinence: joined that club-- definite leaks—1 pad/day. Night is dry, was  using 1 pad at night for security, but pretty much dispensed with that most nights. Update: no pads at night. No pads while at home, but still very uncomfortable. Use 1 pad for out-of-house activities. Suddenly got MUCH better on 3/10/10, almost overnight. Still some urgency but no pads about 90% of the time.  As of 3/12/10--completely continent! Uh...OH. As of about 3/16/10 problems with constant urgency although no pads needed--feels like an infection but none showing in urine.

Update: since late March all is well in that area. I would say 99.9% continent (a spurt here and there, maybe 5 spurts per week). As of 6/22/10, I would say I am 100% continent, but I do have (controllable) significant urgency.

First post-op PSA on 3/10/10--DRUM ROLL: 0.01 Next PSA in mid-June.

Second post-op PSA on 6/21/10--0.02--Not too bad!


Purgatory
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   Posted 7/15/2010 7:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Mel and Mika.

For those concerned, my wife has spoken a lot with my uro/surgeon, and she wouldn't have assisted today in removing the cath if she didn't feel right about it. The dr. gave her permission the last time I was on 2 caths to remove it herself when needed. Since she didn't have the right syringe handy at home, she snipped the side of the cath that the inject water into the balloon, and slowly let out the water, as I was standing in the bath tub. Then I slowly pulled the cath myself, terrified of something that never happened, lol, and it dropped out like a slippery snake to the floor of the tub. As usual, no pain, just creepy feeling as it comes out. I looked at the inlet end, and it was real clean with no blood or gunk, but then it had been in only for 2 weeks and wasn't the primary cath. Still was nice to have that thing out of me. I have lost track of how many foley (penis) caths I have had, but can honestly say, that not a single one of them every hurt comng out. On the other hand, ever single SP cath has hurt going in and coming out, least the ones that were done when I wasn't knocked out in surgery. Only the doctor himself takes those out or puts one in, doesn't even let his nurse help, as things can go wrong real fast, and you don't get a second chance with the SP opening in the body, as it will close over quickly.
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery, no problem post SRT
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, next one:  July
Latest:  7/9 cath #6 - 41 days, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 - 38 days, mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, Cath #10 43 days, 1/19 - Corr Surgery #4,  Caths #11 and #12 ,Cath #11 - 21 days,  Cath #12 - 41 days, 3/2- Corr Surgery #5, Cath #13 - 4 days, Cath #14- 27 days, Cath #15 - 26 days, Cath #16 - 31 days, Cath #17 - 39 days, 7/2 - Corr Surgery #6, Cath #18 - 13 days, Cath #19 still in place


compiler
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   Posted 7/15/2010 7:43 PM (GMT -6)   
David:
 
My only experience was the SP catheter from my surgery (no Foley!).
 
It was annoying and sometimes painful while in.
 
No pain whatsoever upon removal.
 
Mel

63 years old . PSA-- 3/08--2.90; 8/09--4.01; 11/09--4.19 (Free PSA 24%),  after 45 days on cipro! DREs have always been normal. PCA-3 was about 75 (way above the 35 threshold). That led to:

Biopsy on 11/30/09. 5 out of 12 cores positive. Gleason 4+3. 2 cores were 3+3 (one 5% and the other 30%) on one side. On  other side:2 cores are 4+3 (5%)--1 core 3+4 (30%) no peri-neural invasion. prostate is 45 grams. Stage: T1C.  

Surgery with Dr. Menon at Ford Hospital, 1/26/10. He says all looked good. Spared nerves. Unfortunately: Pathology Report: G 4+3 (65%-35%). Cancer in 15% of gland. Lymph Nodes: Clear.  Perineural Invasion: yes. Seminal Vessical Involvement: No.  Extraprostatic Extension: yes.  Positive Margin: Yes-- focal-- 1 spot .5mm. Final Weight is 52.7 gms.  (Second opinion from Jon Epstein at Hopkins confirmed these results)

 Incontinence: joined that club-- definite leaks—1 pad/day. Night is dry, was  using 1 pad at night for security, but pretty much dispensed with that most nights. Update: no pads at night. No pads while at home, but still very uncomfortable. Use 1 pad for out-of-house activities. Suddenly got MUCH better on 3/10/10, almost overnight. Still some urgency but no pads about 90% of the time.  As of 3/12/10--completely continent! Uh...OH. As of about 3/16/10 problems with constant urgency although no pads needed--feels like an infection but none showing in urine.

Update: since late March all is well in that area. I would say 99.9% continent (a spurt here and there, maybe 5 spurts per week). As of 6/22/10, I would say I am 100% continent, but I do have (controllable) significant urgency.

First post-op PSA on 3/10/10--DRUM ROLL: 0.01 Next PSA in mid-June.

Second post-op PSA on 6/21/10--0.02--Not too bad!


Cajun Jeff
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   Posted 7/15/2010 7:45 PM (GMT -6)   
David: Im supprised that you kept it in this long. Glad to hear you are feeling better already.

Hang in there my friend.

Cajun Jeff
9/08 PSA 5.4 referred to Urologist
9/08 Biopsy: GS 3+4=7 1 positive core in 12 1 pre cancer core
10/08 Nerve-Sparing open radical
Surgery Path Report Downgrade 3+3=6 GS Stage pT2c margins clear

3 month: PSA <0.1
6 month: PSA <0.1
10 month:PSA <0.1
1 year: PSA <0.1
16 month:PSA <0.1

ED - Started Cialis at 3 months, tried all 3, 6 months added pump, 9 months Tried MUSE (YUCK) Bad experience.
1 year mark Found new Urologist visit was at 14th month post surgery
Started Injections, Caverject! (Success)
17 month: ED making improvements : Oral Meds gets me 85%


Ed C. (Old67)
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   Posted 7/15/2010 7:55 PM (GMT -6)   
David,
You did what any man with enough courage will do. There is only so much pain anyone can endure. You have had more than your share. I'm glad that the SP came out without pain and hopefully you will be pain free from now on.
Age: 67 at Dx on 12/30/08
PSA 9/05 1.15; 8/06 1.45; 12/07 2.41; 8/08 3.9; 11/08 3.5 free PSA 11%
2 cores out of 12 were positive Gleason (4+4) and (4+5)
Negative CT scan and bone scan done on 1/16
Robotic surgery performed 2/9/09 Dr Fagin, Austin TX
Prostate weighed 57 grams size:5.2 x 5.0 x 4.9 cm
Posterior lateral lesions measuring 1.5 x 1.4 x 1.0 cm showing focal capsular penetration over a distance of 3mm in circumference.
Prostatic adenocarciroma accounts for approx. 10-20% of the hemisphere.
Gleason 4+4
both nerve bundles removed,
pT3a Nx Mx, Negative margins
seminal vesicles clean, lymph nodes: not dissected
continent after 5 months
2 months PSA test 4/7/09 result <0.1
5 months PSA test 7/9/09 result <0.1
8 months PSA test 10/9/09 result <0.1
11 months PSA test 1/21/10 result 0.004
14 months PSA test 4/19/10 result 0.005


Purgatory
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   Posted 7/15/2010 8:03 PM (GMT -6)   
ed, the sp is still in place, and will be for some time, it was the foley that we removed this morning. i wouldnt be nuts enough or daring to remove an sp cath, as i have seen how difficult it can be even with the dr doing it, and knowing that all of them have hurt bad coming out.
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery, no problem post SRT
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, next one:  July
Latest:  7/9 cath #6 - 41 days, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 - 38 days, mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, Cath #10 43 days, 1/19 - Corr Surgery #4,  Caths #11 and #12 ,Cath #11 - 21 days,  Cath #12 - 41 days, 3/2- Corr Surgery #5, Cath #13 - 4 days, Cath #14- 27 days, Cath #15 - 26 days, Cath #16 - 31 days, Cath #17 - 39 days, 7/2 - Corr Surgery #6, Cath #18 - 13 days, Cath #19 still in place


Sephie
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   Posted 7/16/2010 5:35 AM (GMT -6)   
David, glad to hear that your pain has been reduced by half...that is indeed great news. When you are in constant pain, a reduction by half is huge. I can't remember but how long is the Foley going to be in? When is your next uro appointment?

I was also so very sorry to hear about the turn of events with your job but it sounds like this was the best decision for you at this time. You know your body better than anyone and know what it can do and what it can't. Still, very unfortunate since it was a long time in coming.

Right now, your #1 focus should be (and is) on letting your body (and mind) heal from all the trauma you've endured. As always, you continue in our thoughts and prayers.

PS: Thanks for the "condolences" on the passing of George Steinbrenner. John has watched the games starting Tuesday night and has been quite emotional about how the team is dealing with George's death as well as the death of The Yankees beloved announcer. Anyway, they both lived a great life.
Husband diagnosed in 2/2008 at age 57 with stage T1c. Robotic surgery performed 3/2008. Stage upgraded to T3a (solitary focus of extraprostatic extension). Perineural tumor infiltration present. Apex margin, bladder neck and SVs negative. Final Gleason 3+4. PSA: 0.0 til July 2009. August 2009 - 0.1, September 0.3, October back to 0.0, December 0.0, March 2010 0.0. Next PSA in 6 months. Thank you God!


Purgatory
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   Posted 7/16/2010 10:27 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks, Sephie. The pain reduction helped, made for a lil more comfortable night. Was able to drive to city this AM and run a couple of errands, doesnt hurt as much to sit in the car seat. Starting to feel like it did before this op, painful, but managable. Still feeling a lot of soreness and pressure in the bladder neck, the area that has given me the trouble from day one. Just picked up the bills from the hospital and the drs office for this last surgery, not sure what they will settle for, but the hospital charged 12,000 and the surgeon charged 2,200, pretty nice haul for knocking me out and having a looksy around up inside me.

Give my best to john. Even a die hard Sox fan like me, can respect what happened with the Yankees, we go back too far in baseball history.
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery, no problem post SRT
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, next one:  July
Latest:  7/9 cath #6 - 41 days, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 - 38 days, mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, Cath #10 43 days, 1/19 - Corr Surgery #4,  Caths #11 and #12 ,Cath #11 - 21 days,  Cath #12 - 41 days, 3/2- Corr Surgery #5, Cath #13 - 4 days, Cath #14- 27 days, Cath #15 - 26 days, Cath #16 - 31 days, Cath #17 - 39 days, 7/2 - Corr Surgery #6, Cath #18 - 13 days, Cath #19 still in place


Purgatory
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Date Joined Oct 2008
Total Posts : 25380
   Posted 7/17/2010 7:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Saturday Evening Update:

Been 2 1/2 days since we pulled the foley cath out at home. The first day was nice, much reduced pain, almost no spasms. Could have gotten use to that. But by today, I feel just about exactly where I was before this last surgery. Lots of rectal and bladder neck pain. Any bowel movement or gas will cause me to leak through my penis, bypassing the SP catheter, that was happening before the last surgery, so if I go out, back to wearing a pad/briefs along with having a catheter in place. Kind of expected to feel this way, as what the dr/surgeon did wasn't meant to fix anything, as much as being an inspection trip to see what is still going on, and while he was up there, of course, clear away any new scarring in the bladder neck. If urine tries to bypass the cath and goes through the penis, the pain is just as intense as before. Will be seeing the dr on Monday, and discuss what's happened, and what is the new game plan. Basically back to where I started.
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery, no problem post SRT
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, next one:  July
Latest:  7/9 cath #6 - 41 days, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 - 38 days, mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, Cath #10 43 days, 1/19 - Corr Surgery #4,  Caths #11 and #12 ,Cath #11 - 21 days,  Cath #12 - 41 days, 3/2- Corr Surgery #5, Cath #13 - 4 days, Cath #14- 27 days, Cath #15 - 26 days, Cath #16 - 31 days, Cath #17 - 39 days, 7/2 - Corr Surgery #6, Cath #18 - 13 days, Cath #19 still in place


142
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Date Joined Jan 2010
Total Posts : 6946
   Posted 7/17/2010 7:34 PM (GMT -6)   
David,
I hoped this round would be an improvement (as if that wasn't what you wanted). When I tell people I'm in one-day-at-a-time mode, it pales before what you are taking.
My always inadequate, but honestly well intended "hang in there" -

Purgatory
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Date Joined Oct 2008
Total Posts : 25380
   Posted 7/17/2010 8:26 PM (GMT -6)   
This op wasn't ever going to be a solution, but another step towards finding a solution that will work long term. That is what I am after, though not sure what that answer ultimately will be.
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery, no problem post SRT
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, next one:  July
Latest:  7/9 cath #6 - 41 days, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 - 38 days, mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, Cath #10 43 days, 1/19 - Corr Surgery #4,  Caths #11 and #12 ,Cath #11 - 21 days,  Cath #12 - 41 days, 3/2- Corr Surgery #5, Cath #13 - 4 days, Cath #14- 27 days, Cath #15 - 26 days, Cath #16 - 31 days, Cath #17 - 39 days, 7/2 - Corr Surgery #6, Cath #18 - 13 days, Cath #19 still in place


Purgatory
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Date Joined Oct 2008
Total Posts : 25380
   Posted 7/17/2010 8:26 PM (GMT -6)   
This op wasn't ever going to be a solution, but another step towards finding a solution that will work long term. That is what I am after, though not sure what that answer ultimately will be.
Age: 57, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery, no problem post SRT
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, next one:  July
Latest:  7/9 cath #6 - 41 days, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 - 38 days, mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, Cath #10 43 days, 1/19 - Corr Surgery #4,  Caths #11 and #12 ,Cath #11 - 21 days,  Cath #12 - 41 days, 3/2- Corr Surgery #5, Cath #13 - 4 days, Cath #14- 27 days, Cath #15 - 26 days, Cath #16 - 31 days, Cath #17 - 39 days, 7/2 - Corr Surgery #6, Cath #18 - 13 days, Cath #19 still in place


IdahoSurvivor
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Date Joined Aug 2007
Total Posts : 1015
   Posted 7/17/2010 10:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi David,

I hope you find a good next step soon. I'm sorry the answers aren't there yet.

I know it is easy for me to say, but hang in there, buddy.

Barry
Surgery: Da Vinci; July 31, 2007; 54 on surgery day;
Pathology: PSA: 4.3; Gleason: 3+3=6; T2a; Confined to Prostate;
Post RP PSAs: 09/'07 <0.04; 12/'07 <0.04; 03/'08 <0.04;
06/'08 <0.04; 12/'08 <0.04; 06/'09 =0.06; 09/'09 <0.04; 12/'09 =0.05;
3/'10 <0.04; Latest PSA 6/'10 <0.01


Sleepless09
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Date Joined Jul 2009
Total Posts : 1267
   Posted 7/18/2010 12:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi David, been at the cottage and not on the net for a couple of days and have just found this post. I salute you on how long you were able to keep it in place and I'll be watching to see how the Monday appointment goes.

Sheldon AKA Sleepless
Age 67 in Apil '09 at news of 4 of 12 cores positive T2B and Gleason 3 + 3 and 5% to 25% PSA 1.5
Re-read of slides in June said Gleason 3 + 4 same four cores 5% to 15%
June 29 daVinci prostatectomy, Dr. Eric Estey, at Royal Alexandra Hospital Edmonton one night stay
From "knock out" to wake up in recovery less than two hours.  Actual surgery 70 minutes
Flew home to Winnipeg on July 3 after 5 nights in Ramada Inn  ---  perfect recovery spot!
Catheter out July 9
Final pathology is 3 + 4 Gleason 7, clear margins, clear nodes, T2C, sugeron says report is "excellent"
 
Oct 1st 09 -- dry at night, during day some stress issues.
Oct 31st padless 24/7 
 
First post op PSA Sept 09  less than 0.02
PSA on Oct 23 test again less than 0.02
PSA on Jan 8 less than 0.02
PSA on April 9 less than 0.02 
 
  


Aimzee
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Date Joined May 2010
Total Posts : 1404
   Posted 7/18/2010 3:26 AM (GMT -6)   
David, I am sorry that you have had to endure so much additional pain.  You did what you had to do!  I wish you the best in finding a solution that will work long term.
 
Get some rest!
 
Aimzee
Husband Ron, age 63
Had Progesterone shots for 6 months.  January PSA was .05. 
4/1/10 PSA 5.5  Prostate size = 50 cc.
On Cipro (antibiotic) for 16 days
Bone Scan/CT Negative
Biopsy 4/20/10  12 samples... Adenocarcinoma:  3 positive on right side,
one core left base (5% ` 0.5 mm) -  two cores of left lateral mid
(20% ~ 2mm, 10%, 10% ~ 1mm) - No Perineural Invasion
Gleason 6 (3+3)
The surgery has been postponed twice.
August 18, 2010 - da Vinci Prostatectomy
 
(I do the posting for both of us.)

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