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   Posted 7/29/2010 6:26 AM (GMT -6)   
Going in for DaVinci. Wife and I talked about all the other treatments and WE settled on surgery.
Dogs are set to go into boarding on the 23rd.
Son coming out on the 27th
I am walking further with the dogs every day trying to get into shape. Riding a stationary bike for 35 minutes a day getting the heart rate into the 130's. Hope to be at 45 minutes the final days before surgery. I'd like to lose 2 inches from my waist (now 34) so I give the doc less fat to have to cut through.
Looking forward to it? Hell no! Looking forward to having it over hell yes!
The only thing left is to sit the wife down and go through everything I've been handling for years. She would never do it before because she didn't want to think about me not being around. She has finally admitted it would be a good idea.

We both agree being able to hold hands means more to us than an erection. I dread the thought of having a catheter and maybe having to use diapers but looking around and seeing what other people I know are going through puts it all in perspective. I don't have it so bad.

In just a few weeks I will be joining the DaVinci club. Is there a special greeting I'll be needing to learn on joining the club? I am assuming that what I will be going through will be dues enough to join.
Age 68 on 4/30/2010
weight 185
height 6'
Samples taken 4/19/2010 sent to Bostwick
3 out of 12 samples cancer
1) gleason score 3+3 involving 65%
2) gleason score 3+3 involving 65%
3) gleason score 3+3 involving 10%

PSA 3.5 Mar 19
PSA 2.5 Apr 4

Bone scan clean
CT scan clean

Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 7/29/2010 6:40 AM (GMT -6)   
Good luck to ya and I hope everythings comes out alright. (pun intended)
Looking forward to seeing you on the other side.
Age 55   - 5'11"   215lbs
Overall Heath Condition - Good
PSA - July 2007 & Jan 2008 -> 1.3
Biopsy - 03/04/08 -> Gleason 6 
06/25/08 - Da Vinci robotic laparoscopy
05/14/09  - 4th Quarter PSA -> less then .01
11/20/09 - 18 Month PSA -> less then .01
05/18/10 - 24 Month PSA -> less then .01
Surgeon - Keith A. Waguespack, M.D.

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   Posted 7/29/2010 7:07 AM (GMT -6)   
Best of luck to you on the surgery. There is no special greeting or handshake that I am aware of. But "See you on the other side" is very common here when we discuss surgery.

60 years old when diagnosed
PSA 11/07 3.0
PSA 5/09 6.4
Diagnosis confirmed July 9, 2009
12 Needle Biopsy = 9 clear , 3 postive
Gleason Score (3+4) 7 in all positive cores
da Vinci 9/17/09
Post Surgery Pathology: GS 4+3=7
Stage: T3a
Tumor Volume 12.5%
positive margin, extra-prostatic extension
30 day PSA 0.4, 50 day psa 0.53, 64 day psa 0.6
IMRT completed 1/15/10 35 treatments- 70Gy

2/24/10 FIRST POST RAD PSA 1.0---CARRRP --waiting for the next test.
3/22/10 Second Post RAD PSA 1.5 Dammmmnnn stubborn son of a gun
4/19/10 YAHOO PSA dropped to 1.2 Moving in the right direction.
5/7/10 PSA test 1.3 Sodium Fluoride PET Scan & CT SCAN -scheduled
5/20/10 PSA test 1.2 Holding off on future tests for 3 months- single lytic lesion found and scheduling radiation.
7/22/10 PSA test 1.3 - Begin radiation for MET on leg

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   Posted 7/29/2010 7:34 AM (GMT -6)   
Good luck on the surgery. I have reserved a space for you at the October meeting of the Zero Club. Hope to see you there.

Here are some of my stats:
Father diagnosed with PC at age 72 - wasn't contained to prostate when found in 1992.
My PSA rose from 3.2 to 5.1 over the course of 1.5 years with Free PSA at 25% for the last two tests.
DRE showed no evidence of tumor but Uro thought my prostate was a little large for someone my age
PCa diagnosed 4/6/10 after biopsy on 4/1/10
1 out of 12 biopsy samples was positive with 5% of biopsy sample cancerous
Gleason 3+4
Da Vinci surgery on 6/1/10
Pathology report shows cancer confined to prostate and all other tissue clean
PSA 7/15/10 Zero Club membership card issued (trial membership with 90 day renewal)

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   Posted 7/29/2010 7:38 AM (GMT -6)   
Good luck Ger and I am sure it will go fine. The good thing about the catheter is it only stays in for 10-14 days most of the time. The good thing about the diapers is that you can laugh at yourself when you walk by a mirror while wearing one. I think it is meant to teach us not to take ourself too seriously. Keep us posted and keep up the great work with the exercise.
Dx with PCA 12/08 2 out of 12 cores positive 4.5 psa
59 yo when diagnosed, 61 yo 2010
Robotic surgery 5/09 Atlanta, Ga
Catheter out after 10 days
Gleason upgraded to 3+5, volume less than 10%
2 pads per day, 1 depends but getting better,
 started ED tx 7/17, slow go
Post op dx of neuropathy
T2C left lateral and left posterior margins involved
3 months psa.01, 6 month psa.4, 6 1/2 month psa.5 on 11/28/10
Starting IMRT on 1/18/10, Completed 39 tx at 70 gys on 3/12/10
6 week Post IMRT PSA .44 a drop from .5 but maybe more
Great family and friends

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   Posted 7/29/2010 8:00 AM (GMT -6)   
Good luck, and will be watching for you on the other side.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 7/08 12.3, 9/08 14.5, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 - 7/7 Positive, 40-90% Cancer, Gleason 4+3
Open RP: 11/08, Rht nerves saved, 4 days in hospt, on catheters for 63 days, 5th one out 1/09
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incontinence:  1 Month     ED:  Non issue at any point post surgery, no problem post SRT
Post Surgery  PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, next one: Aug 3
Latest:  7/9 cath #6 - 41 days, 8/9 2nd corr surgery, 8/9 cath #7 - 38 days, mapped  9/9, 10/1 - 3rd corr. surgery - SP cath, 10/5 - 11/27 IMRT SRT 39 sess/72 gys ,cath #8 33 days, Cath #9 35 days, Cath #10 43 days, 1/19 - Corr Surgery #4,  Caths #11 and #12 ,Cath #11 - 21 days,  Cath #12 - 41 days, 3/2- Corr Surgery #5, Cath #13 - 4 days, Cath #14- 27 days, Cath #15 - 26 days, Cath #16 - 31 days, Cath #17 - 39 days, 7/2 - Corr Surgery #6, Cath #18 - 13 days, Cath #19 - 17 days, Total Blockage, Cath # 20 - 7/19

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Date Joined Jun 2010
Total Posts : 87
   Posted 7/29/2010 8:03 AM (GMT -6)   
Good luck Ger,  I go in on the 11th of this month so I am thinking we will both be initiated at the same meeting.  Hopefully the paddle is small and wont hurt too much. 

Age @ DX  53

Pre OP PSA: 1/2008=5.9, 2/2010=6.0 (free=9%)

Biopsy, 4/10/2010 This was my 2nd Biopsy.  The Uro put me out and took 36 samples.  3 samples positive 1%, 2%, 2% no evidence of perineural invasion. T1c

Dx Date  April 2010

Gleason:  3+3=6
CT Scan: Negative
DaVinci:  Coming up 8/11/10, Dr David Bryan, SSM DePaul-St Louis

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   Posted 7/29/2010 8:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Actually the initiation is performed in the recovery room after the operation by a cute nurse in a very tight uniform. Unfortunately, due to a side effect of the anesthesia, nobody ever remembers the ceremony.

The catheter is less of a problem than you think – just part of developing a new skill set.
Age at diagnosis 66, PSA 5.5
Biopsy 12/08 12 cores, 8 positive
Gleason 3+4=7
CAT scan, Bone scan 1/09 both negative.

Robotic surgery 03/03/09 Catheter Out 03/08/09
Pathology: Lymph nodes & Seminal vesicles negative
Margins positive, Capsular penetration extensive Gleason 4+3=7
6 weeks: 1 pad/day, 1 pad/night -- mostly dry at night.
10 weeks: no pad at night -- slight leakage day/1 pad.
3 mo. PSA 0.0 - now light pads
6 mo. PSA 0.00 -- 1 light pad/day
9 mo. PSA 0.00 -- 1 light pad/day ED remains
12 mo. PSA 0.00 -- still one light pad and ED
16 mo PSA 0.00 -- light pad just for security, ED still an issue

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Total Posts : 208
   Posted 7/29/2010 11:28 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Ger,

If I'm not mistaken, Aimzee's husband Ron is scheduled for 8/18. My husband,Geoff, is scheduled for 8/9 so they'll be at least four new members in the Other Side Club--may you all draw o's forever!

Husband diagnosed 3/10
Age 56, PSA 4.7, free 7.6%
Biopsy 5 of 10 cores positve-all right side-25% to 57%
Gleason 6
DaVinci surgery with Dr. Vip Patel scheduled 8/9/10

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   Posted 7/29/2010 1:30 PM (GMT -6)   
Wait a minute, I am also scheduled for the 24th! Can't even think about the recovery, but it is nice to know that I won't be alone,

Ger42, you're not having surgery in Minnesota are you?? we could possibly be in the same recovery room!
Diagnosed with Prostate Cancer 4/10/2010
Age 58
Stage: T2B
Greason Score: 3+ 3 = 6
PSA: 3.0
Prostate volumne 19cc
Tumor present in 3 of 5 cores on both the right and left with 6 of 55  mm or 11% on the right  and 4 of 59 mm or 7% on the left
No angiolymphatic or perineural invasion.  No high grade prostatic intraepithelial neoplasia.

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Total Posts : 1210
   Posted 7/29/2010 2:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Ger. Wishing you all the best on your upcoming procedure. Hope all will go well and that you'll have a quick and complete recovery. Although I'm not a member of the DaVinci club (I had the open), I hope to be able to welcome you to the zero club in a couple of month.
All the best to you.

Born Sept 1936
PSA 7.9
-ve DRE
Gleason's Score 3+4=7, 2 of 8 positive
Open RP 28 Nov 06 (nerve sparing), Post op staging T3a
Gleasons still 3+4=7
Seminal vesicles and lymph nodes clear
Catheter out 15 Dec 06, Dry since 11 Feb 07
All PSA tests in 2007 (4) <.04
PSA tests in 2008: Mar.=.04; Jun.=.05; Sept.=.08; 3 days before Rad Start=0.1
Salvage RT completed (33 days - 66 Grays) on the 19th Dec., 08.
PSA in Jan., 09=0.05; July 09 <0.04; JAN 10 <0.04; Jul 10 <.04

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Total Posts : 189
   Posted 8/1/2010 11:26 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for all the good wishes. Here's hoping the Aug 2010 babies turn out to be a zero bunch. Actually that include everyone.
Surgery will take place in Plantation Fl.
I understand the robot is a Fisher Price run by a 5 year old. I'm told he has hands of steel. Rumor has it he was out of diapers at 6 months. Maybe a positive sign for his patients.
Nurses at the hospital are not allowed to wear their teeth in the recovery room. Those working with catheters cannot be more that 5' 3" tall and must weigh over 200 lbs.
Got to go, dogs need a walk.
Age 68 on 4/30/2010
weight 185
height 6'
Samples taken 4/19/2010 sent to Bostwick
3 out of 12 samples cancer
1) gleason score 3+3 involving 65%
2) gleason score 3+3 involving 65%
3) gleason score 3+3 involving 10%

PSA 3.5 Mar 19
PSA 2.5 Apr 4

Bone scan clean
CT scan clean

Cajun Jeff
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   Posted 8/1/2010 11:40 AM (GMT -6)   
Sounds like a good plan. Getting in better shape pre surgery is always a good thing. Good Luck and do keep us posted. Don't forget to empty that prostate as much as you can before the big event.

Cajun jeff
9/08 PSA 5.4 referred to Urologist
9/08 Biopsy: GS 3+4=7 1 positive core in 12 1 pre cancer core
10/08 Nerve-Sparing open radical
Surgery Path Report Downgrade 3+3=6 GS Stage pT2c margins clear

3 month: PSA <0.1
6 month: PSA <0.1
10 month:PSA <0.1
1 year: PSA <0.1
16 month:PSA <0.1

ED - Started Cialis at 3 months, tried all 3, 6 months added pump, 9 months Tried MUSE (YUCK) Bad experience.
1 year mark Found new Urologist visit was at 14th month post surgery
Started Injections, Caverject! (Success)
17 month: ED making improvements : Oral Meds gets me 85%

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   Posted 8/1/2010 5:32 PM (GMT -6)   

Good luck to you and we will see you on the other side.

Take care

age at dx 54 now 58
psa at dx 4.3
got the bad news 1/29/07
open surgery Duke Medical Center 5-29-07
never more than 2 pads
ED is getting better
the shots work great, still can't give them to myself
three years of zero's
Retired again after 36 years February 1, 2010

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   Posted 8/1/2010 5:39 PM (GMT -6)   
My husband goes in on August 16th. Just stocked up on some of the stuff he'll need post-op, thanks to a Walgreens gift card.

Ger42, I am with you and your wife on your decisions and rationale. Much luck to you.
Husband, 62
Gleason 6
Surgery set for Aug. 16

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Date Joined May 2010
Total Posts : 52
   Posted 8/1/2010 7:33 PM (GMT -6)   

Hi, Ger42


You have every reason to expect good pathology results, a quick recovery, minimal pain and quite probably NO incontinence after 6 weeks.  You should, equally, expect to be in the zero club after your 1st PSA.  The odds are strongly in your favor.  As for post-surgery pain, Mac used about 20 of his 30 pain pills - all in the 1st 10 days.


The ED side of it takes work (if you’ve never taken ED drugs ask your surgeon or the PA if you should take some pre-surgery…ours recommended it).  You will almost certainly be told by your doc to try to have 4 erections per week post-catheter removal - they won’t be like pre-surgery versions, but it’s vital to strengthen the oxygen and blood flow.  (See - you and your wife don't have to just hold hands!)  Something like 90% of prostatectomy surgeons globally DO recommend this so if your doc doesn’t, ask about it.


Highly recommend using the night bag 100% of the time (vs  changing it out for the day bag) and taping it down perhaps even more securely than the nurse will when you are discharged…you want as little “penile movement” as possible to try to keep the cath centered and not rubbing around.)  Mac’s catheter pain was minimal until he went in for the Cystogram prior to scheduled removal.  A teeny leak kept the cath in for 1 more week but we walked all around the medical center right after the cystogram without the “extra” taping – that’s when cath pain started but was minor as long as movements were restricted.  I guess once the tip of the penis gets sore, jostling the cath around that area means makes it real hard to heal.  Use the Antiseptic cream they give you when you shouldn’t have any petroleum product in it. 


Best of luck - Paella 


Mac’s statistics:

Age 65 - 5'11" Weight 210 BMI 29.1

Overall Heath Condition: Good

No family history of prostate cancer

PSA in November 2001 = 1.0 slowly rising to 4.4 in Feb 2010 (eleven years)

Biopsy: 04/19/10: Gleason 3 + 4 with 5 of 12 positive

Robotic Radical Prostatectomy on 6/14/10 with both nerves spared

Path report – T3a; Gleason still 3+4.  No tumor present in the seminal vesicles, margins or removed

   lymph nodes. Perineural invasion? - yes.  Extraprostatic focal presence? - yes

Cath had to stay in an extra week because of a “teeny amount” of leakage (cath pain began at this time

   due to not taping  the catheter down securely)

6/29/10 Cath removal a breeze.

1-week post cath removal = 1 pad ("Always") per day, no diapers and only very minor burning

3-weeks post cath removal = 1 pad at night, just in case.  No pain

5-weeks post cath removal = peeing like a 40 year old!

1st post-surgery PSA planned for August 04, 2010.  We are confident!

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   Posted 8/1/2010 7:58 PM (GMT -6)   

I note some humor in your post. If anything can get you through this, it will be humor. Crying is a lot less prodcutive than laughing. If you get bored, look up some of worried guys post surgery postings. He had us rolling, and I think you will hear him say it was a turning point for him.

Good luck, and keep the sense of humor, you will need it.
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared, but carved up a little.
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks .
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)
5 month PSA <.03 (undetectable)
6 Month PSA <.01
1 pad a day, no progress on ED.  Trimix injection
No pads, 1/1/10,  9 month PSA < .01
1 year psa (364 days) .01
15 month PSA <.01
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