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Ash2001
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   Posted 8/7/2010 9:27 AM (GMT -6)   
My fathers PSA  was 65.8. I have looked at all the PSA scores and nothing even comes close to that. His Gleason score is 3+3 and 6 out of 12 specimens tested postive and ranged from 15-75%. He is due for a CT and MRI scan on Monday. Any help, advise , support and words of wisdom are appreciated.
Thank you!
 

Sleepless09
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   Posted 8/7/2010 9:35 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Ash, others far more hip on the medical side of PSA will be able to give you far better advice and support than I but I did want to welcome you, although sorry that your dad's PCa has brought you here.

A couple of things might be helpful. Your dad's age, and what previous PSA 'scores' might have been? If you have a PSA history with dates I'm sure the medical minds here would like that.

The PSA score of 65.8 would be a worry, I'm sure. Is it possible you have the decimal point in the wrong place and it is actually 6.58?

Sheldon AKA Sleepless
Age 67 in Apil '09 at news of 4 of 12 cores positive T2B and Gleason 3 + 3 and 5% to 25% PSA 1.5
Re-read of slides in June said Gleason 3 + 4 same four cores 5% to 15%
June 29 daVinci prostatectomy, Dr. Eric Estey, at Royal Alexandra Hospital Edmonton one night stay
From "knock out" to wake up in recovery less than two hours.  Actual surgery 70 minutes
Flew home to Winnipeg on July 3 after 5 nights in Ramada Inn  ---  perfect recovery spot!
Catheter out July 9
Final pathology is 3 + 4 Gleason 7, clear margins, clear nodes, T2C, sugeron says report is "excellent"
 
Oct 1st 09 -- dry at night, during day some stress issues.
Oct 31st padless 24/7 
 
First post op PSA Sept 09  less than 0.02
PSA on Oct 23, 2009 less than 0.02
PSA on Jan 8, 2010  less than 0.02
PSA on April 9, 2010 less than 0.02 
PSA on July 9, 2010 (one year) less than 0.02
  

Ash2001
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   Posted 8/7/2010 9:52 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Sheldon,

Thank you for your kind words. I am going to get him to recheck the PSA. I am now wondering do PSA's that high even exisit? He is 62 years old. Unfortunately we have no PSA history. Hisonly symptoms were a weak urine flow.
Any words of wisdom, advice, support and knowledge are apprecuated.

Thank you

60Michael
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   Posted 8/7/2010 10:07 AM (GMT -6)   
Ash they can go higher than that, but do check to make sure that is correct. His Gleason score of 6 is not bad however. Once you get all the facts let us know as we are here to support you and your family. It's hard not to jump to conclusions, but truth is you dont have all the info that you need. Movement is a good cure for a racing mind, so please go out an do something for yourself today.
Michael
Dx with PCA 12/08 2 out of 12 cores positive 4.5 psa
59 yo when diagnosed, 61 yo 2010
Robotic surgery 5/09 Atlanta, Ga
Catheter out after 10 days
Gleason upgraded to 3+5, volume less than 10%
2 pads per day, 1 depends but getting better,
 started ED tx 7/17, slow go
Post op dx of neuropathy
T2C left lateral and left posterior margins involved
3 months psa.01, 6 month psa.4, 6 1/2 month psa.5 on 11/28/10
Starting IMRT on 1/18/10, Completed 39 tx at 70 gys on 3/12/10
6 week Post IMRT PSA .44 a drop from .5 but maybe more
Great family and friends
Michael

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   Posted 8/7/2010 11:13 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Ash. First of all, don't panic (!) and don't rush into anything without thoroughly investigating all the options. I know, it's easier said than done, but try and relax. The PSA (if true) of 65.8 is high, but there are guys here that had PSA's in the 100's even 1000's. Has an infection been ruled out? His Gleason score of 3+3 would indicate that the cancer is not very aggressive......so that's good. Just wait until all the medical tests are complete to get a better picture of what's going on. In the mean time, research all you can and most important, make sure you have a good doctor that you are comfortable with and has a lot of prostate cancer experience; then follow his advice.
All the best to both of you.
 
Mag

Born Sept 1936
PSA 7.9
-ve DRE
Gleason's Score 3+4=7, 2 of 8 positive
open RP 28 Nov 06 (nerve sparing), Post op staging T3a
Gleasons still 3+4=7
Seminal vesicles and lymph nodes clear
Catheter out 15 Dec 06, Dry since 11 Feb 07
All PSA tests in 2007 (4) <.04
PSA tests in 2008: Mar.=.04; Jun.=.05; Sept.=.08; 3 days before Rad Start=0.1
Salvage RT completed (33 days - 66 Grays) on the 19th Dec., 08.
PSA in Jan., 09=0.05; July 09 <0.04; JAN 10 <0.04; Jul 10 <.04

Squirm
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   Posted 8/7/2010 12:59 PM (GMT -6)   
A PSA of 65.8 with a gleason score of 6 doesn't sound right.  A high PSA would usually indicate a fast growing/aggressive tumor. Are you sure it wasn't 6.58?

Ed C. (Old67)
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   Posted 8/7/2010 1:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi ash,
Your father's PSA is high but I have seen much higher than that. We have some one on this forum who had a PSA of 3200. The Gleason score is favorable. The high PSA could be attributed to an infection and/or enlarged prostate in addition to the PCa. Did he have a free PSA test?
Age: 67 at Dx on 12/30/08
PSA 9/05 1.15; 8/06 1.45; 12/07 2.41; 8/08 3.9; 11/08 3.5 free PSA 11%
2 cores out of 12 were positive Gleason (4+4) and (4+5)
Negative CT scan and bone scan done on 1/16
Robotic surgery performed 2/9/09 Dr Fagin, Austin TX
Prostate weighed 57 grams size:5.2 x 5.0 x 4.9 cm
Posterior lateral lesions measuring 1.5 x 1.4 x 1.0 cm showing focal capsular penetration over a distance of 3mm in circumference.
Prostatic adenocarciroma accounts for approx. 10-20% of the hemisphere.
Gleason 4+4
both nerve bundles removed,
pT3a Nx Mx, Negative margins
seminal vesicles clean, lymph nodes: not dissected
continent after 5 months
2 months PSA test 4/7/09 result <0.1
5 months PSA test 7/9/09 result <0.1
8 months PSA test 10/9/09 result <0.1
11 months PSA test 1/21/10 result 0.004
14 months PSA test 4/19/10 result 0.005

knotreel
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   Posted 8/7/2010 1:34 PM (GMT -6)   
What the others have said makes sense. I think you should visit a uro and get your own psa base numbers established. You probably have thought of this already but in case you haven't...
I hope your dad's situation develops in to something that is not so scary as it seems now. His age, older rather than younger, and the fact that the gleason is not bad certainly are things that are on the plus side. At this point there is no reason to expect a bad outcome.
Keep us posted as you get more information. At this point, I would be thinking ahead a bit and finding out if there are pc experts in your area  for a second opinion if you need one later on. Also same goes for threament options if he ends up needing some type of treatment, are there highly experienced surgeons and radiologists in your area? Sounds like the people treating him now are being agressive which is good.
Anyway good luck and if you hang around this board awhile you will see that those of us who have pc treat it as a journey and you and your dad are just getting started so try not to worry too much and focus on information gathering. 

Todd1963
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   Posted 8/7/2010 2:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey I know it can be scary but gleason is great. My psa was 3216 and I am now going on 5 years of pca. although my psa is rising it was down all the way to .05 it is now 6.0 Its a good era to have prostate cancer if you have to have it. lots of stuff happening. Best wishes, Todd
dx:06/03/06
Age at dx: 42 age now 45
Treated for sciatic nerve pain 6 months prior to dx.
Heavy amount of blood in urine Unable to urinate 
Lung x-ray for pnumonia revealed multiple lesions in each lung
P.S.A. at time of dx. 3216.14
Began lupron and casodex
Cat scan showed large mass in the pelvic area affecting the bladder multiple nodules in both lungs and lymph node envolvement.
Bone scan revealed possible bone involvment in the pelvic area
Biopsy 12 of 12 cores positive gleason 3+4=7
P.S.A.s since lupron 2946, 1274, 532, 5.01 1.23, .09
Begining jan 08 psa .o9, .25, .44, .86, .73, 1.34, 1.49. Doubling time is a little over 3 months
Cat Scan 12/12/08 Prostate normal size and shape. No tumors detected. Left lung clear of all nodules right lung showing only benign scar tissue. Lymph nodes normal
Bone Scan 12/24/08. Clean!!! went off casodex January 4 2009
Current psa 2/13/09 .16
Latest P.S.A. 0.05 newest P.S.A. undetectable

zufus
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   Posted 8/7/2010 6:30 PM (GMT -6)   
Likely you could have prostatitis adding to this inflated psa and low gleason scores.
Do not panic lots of treatments/protocols to do with PCa, me 8 yrs. +  and psa was 46.6 , gleason scores found 7,8,9's (2 sets), lots of PCa 75-95% in every core, scans appeared clear, had total urinary blockage and was in emergency room all from PCa, gland size was normal like around 34-35 range.
 
Please read these for further education asap:
www.yananow.net/PSA101.htm   (psa information...all you need to understand it)
www.wmfurology.com   (look for prostatitis info)
www.marinurology.com  (prostatitis info)
 
Verfiy your pathology thru a reknown expert is wise, like Bostwick, Epstein, Oppenheimer .
 
You can find relief just learning what you are dealing with.
Youth is wasted on the Young-(W.C. Fields)

Ash2001
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   Posted 8/9/2010 7:48 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you to everyone for their support and replies. Here is some good news the cancer is contained. The Ct scan and MRI all came out clean..when at least a sigh of relief. I am still trying to figure out free PSA but since all the conversation are on the phone it is hard :(. I have a feeling that these cancerous cells have been sitting their a long time. My father now confessed that he has been having a weak urine flow from 2005. He has a high tolerance for discomfort and I guess that is not a good thing. His doctors are aggressive and he is fortunate to be working with more than one experienced oncologist. Tonight they are getting together to discuss treatment options. Surgery and Radiation has been suggested. What do you all suggest? I am reading up a lot on the pros and cons of each but opinions and suggestions are welcome.
This forum has been a blessing. A big thank you to all of you for your support and answering my questions.

Worried Guy
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   Posted 8/9/2010 8:41 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Ash,
Check out my stats below. You will see they are similar to your father's - except the PSA was 23. At the rate mine was climbing I believe I would have been there in a few months. I too had a slow stream. It would take me about 45 seconds to finish up in the bathroom. When going to the bathroom with a group of coworkers, I was always the last guy.
I am a pretty healthy guy, in good shape, so I had surgery. Now I can pee like a 15 year old! It comes out with so much force I wish I could show my friends. Unfortunately, I also pee like a 2 year old and must wear pee pads.

Whatever your dad decides, he should be exercising and working on doing kegel exercises now. I went too many years with my bladder sphincter relaxed, letting my prostate do the work.
Tell hm he is officially in training for the big fight. Play the theme to Rocky for him.
I wish you both the best.
Jeff
Married 34 years, DX Age 56. First routine PSA test on April 8, 09: 17.8. Start 2 weeks of Cipro to rule out protatitis. May '09 PSA: 22.6, 3 weeks later: PSA: 23.2.
Biopsy 6/10/09: 7/12 scores positive, 20%-70%, Gleason 3+4=7, 3+3=6. Bone and C/T scans neg.
RP DaVinci -7/21/2009 @ Univ of Roch Medical Center
Left nerve gone, right partial spared.
Catheter removed - 7/31/2009 Pathology report received:
Gleason 3+4=7, Tumor size: 2.5 x 1.8 cm, location: both lobes and apex.
Extraprostatic extension present; Perineural invasion: present, extensive.
No Malignancy in Seminal Vesicle, vasa deferentia, lymph nodes 0/13
Prostate mass 56 grams. Pathologic Stage: pT3aN0MX
Post Surgery Status:
Potency - 12/11 5 months, Still no activity, zip. Using pump daily since 11/11. No effect with 20 mg of Cialis or 100 mg of Viagra. Shots next See Uro 1/22/10 Trimix #1. Try 0.08- 25%, 0.12-25%, 2/26/10 try 0.16 First Success! 90%. 8/9/10 Now at 0.24 still 90%
Incontinence - 8/20 4 full pads per day
.. 9/7 3-4 full pads per day. Try controlling fluids.
12/11/09 5 months: 3 pads per day, 400-450ml/day
02/26/10 7 months: 3 pads but leak is now 320 ml (5 day avg.)
03/22/10 8 months: 3 pads per day, 280 ml/day (5 day avg.) PT says all muscles are tight and working properly. "There must be another issue."
5/22/10 10 months: 2 pads per day, 190 ml/day Scope on June 15 "Short sphincter"
7/15/2010 one year: 2 pads per day. 140 ml/day, dry in bed.
Post Surgery PSA - 9/3 6 weeks - 0.05; 10/13 3 months - 0.04
1/14 6 months - 0.05 (Siemens Centaur)
4/14 9 months - 0.04 (Siemens Centaur) and <0.01 (Roche ECLIA).
7/12 1 year - 0.03 (Siemens Centaur, direct chemilum); <0.01 (Roche Cobas 601 ECLIA)

Ash2001
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   Posted 8/9/2010 9:11 AM (GMT -6)   
It is really good to hear from you Jeff. My dads story and your story sounds similar. Do you recommend surgery? I will definitely tell him to work on kegal exercise. I was wondering if there was a mistake somewhere with his Gleason or PSA. My dad is in favor of radiation but he has not really researched the pros and cons of both. Did you have a DRE? My dads DRE indicated hardness which ruled out laproscopy.

Also Zufus, thank you for sharing the websites they helped and Todd Thank you for sharing your story.
Any suggestions on what course of action is best for him will be appreciated.
Thank you
Ash

LV-TX
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   Posted 8/9/2010 9:21 AM (GMT -6)   
Ash, this is interesting. I am a bit confused so maybe someone will clarify for me. Surgery is surgery, regardless of the method. But I have never heard of someone saying that laproscopy can't be done due to prostate hardness. I know there are many reasons why open vs. laproscopy is preferred, but never because of hardness of the prostate. Hopefully someone can explain this.

Just so you know, outcomes and side effects are very similar between surgery and radiation as primary treatment, so the choice should be whatever your father wants and prefers for himself. Just support his decision. You can encourage, but be supportive.

BTW welcome.
You are beating back cancer, so hold your head up with dignity
 
Les
 
Age 58 at Diagnosis
Oct 2006 - PSA 2.6 - DRE Normal
May 2008 - PSA 4.6 - DRE Normal / TRUS normal
July 2008 - Biopsy 4 of 12 Positive 5 - 30% Involved Bilateral w/PNI - Gleason (3+3)6 Stage T1C
Robotic Surgery Sept 18, 2008
Pathology October 1, 2008 - Gleason 7 (3+4) Staged pT2c NO MX - Gland 50 cc
Seminal Vesicles and Lymph Nodes clear
Positive Margins Right Posterior Lobe
PSA 5 week Oct 2008 <.05
                   3 month Jan 2009     .06
                   6 month Apr 2009     .06
                   9 month Jul  2009     .08
                 12 month Oct 2009     .09 
                 18 month April 2010   .19

Fairwind
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   Posted 8/9/2010 2:07 PM (GMT -6)   
In order to sift the wheat from the chaff, get a copy of "Guide to Surviving Prostate Cancer" by Dr. Peter Walsh. Any bookstore will have it as will your local library..Have dad read it carefully from cover to cover. Don't make any decisions without getting second opinions.

Before you sign up for any course of treatment, have the provider of that treatment get "pre-approval" from your insurance company. This can save some ugly surprises months down the road..

As others have pointed out, your PSA 65 and Gleason 6 don't fit together very well. Read John T's history to see how doctors can be fooled by a single biopsy that misses something important..At your meeting tonight, question your doctors sharply about this. It's quite possible to have cancer, BPH and infection all at the same time..Read the book...
Age today: 68. Married, 6', 215 pounds, active, no health issues.
PSA at age 55: 3.5, DRE negative. Advice, "Keep an eye on it".
PSA at age 58: 4.5
PSA at age 61: 5.2
PSA at age 64: 7.5, DRE "Abnormal"
PSA at age 65: 8.5, DRE " normal", biopsy, 12 core, negative...
PSA at age 66 9.0 DRE "normal", BPH, Finesteride. (Proscar)
PSA at age 67 4.5 DRE "normal" second biopsy, negative.
PSA at age 67.5 5.6, DRE "normal" U-doc worried..
PSA at age 68, 7.0, third 12 core biopsy positive for cancer in 4 cores, 3 cores Gleason 6, one core Gleason 9. Finesteride discontinued, still no urinary symptoms, never had any..From age 55 to 65 I had no health insurance.

I have a date with the robo surgeon on Sept 3 but I'm keeping my options open. I'm also looking at seeds combined with IGRT which seems to be having good results with high-risk patients..

Worried Guy
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   Posted 8/9/2010 3:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Ash,
You really can't go by my experience. I had DaVinci surgery and recovered quickly. I am at one year out: my PSA is <0.01 perfect! However, my incontinence is very poor. I am in the bottom 5% of the class. I have total ED. That's hard for a healthy 57 year old (or not hard I guess). Trimix works but spontaneity is gone.
I did not have any follow up treatments after the surgery because my PSA was so low, and my incontinence and ED so bad I thought I would have a chance to get the function back if I was patient. I threw the dice and took my chances. In 5-10 years we'll see if I guessed correctly.

Treatment options, like condiments on a hot dog, are very personal. The answer is: "It depends"
See if you can clarify the Gleason 6 score and 65 PSA. That is strange. You might want to put that in the signature section below. It helps.

Jeff

Ash2001
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   Posted 8/9/2010 10:47 PM (GMT -6)   
So here is what the doctors are saying-
Lets get the PSA down by starting hormone treatment and then after six weeks consider surgery and/or radiation. They have suggested the IGRT. Has anyone done a combination of the two? Is it wise to wait six weeks before starting radiation treatment ?

The PSA and Gleason is still puzzling. We are consulting another doctor today. None of the doctors have suggested repeating the tests yet.

Finally how do I add the signature.
Thank you
Ash

keepingon
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   Posted 8/9/2010 11:43 PM (GMT -6)   
My PSA was 115, my Gleason was 7 as of Jan. of 2007. I'am still around and feeling well, a little tired sometimes. Had rad. prostemtecomy in sept of 2007. Post surgery PSA .01 and is slowly rising. Now its .1.02. The doc is thinking about adding Casodex to my Lupron wich I have been on since Jan. of 2007. T4N1 stage. Hang in there, a lot of it is mind over matter.
Found out Jan. 07
g\7
psa 115
The doc said chemo or radiation was not an option.
Started Lupron to shrink it before surgery, did not work.
Radical prostentechomy Sept. 5.
Couldn't get it all, it was outside the sack and into lower lymph nodes.
Cathader removed about 3 months.
Incontinont for about 3 months
Peranial rectal absesses w/ drains for about 4 months
Continued Lupron until Oct. 08 .
Started losing weight. <194 to 170>
Now trying Zoladex, next shot in Dec. 18, then we will see what the PSA is, before deciding on future treatments.
Now in the T4 N1 stage.
Side effects:
Lupron=memory, tired all the time, joints and muscle aches, hot flashes.
Zoladex=memory, tired after doing something, left back rib cage is tender when inhaling, all joints and muscles below the waist ache, the worst is the right hip.
Went to the doc's today 12-18-08, stopped Zoladex today waitin on blood work to come back.
Blood work came back .07. now back on Zoladex for three months then we will see what happens.
PSA came back .08, back , see what happens in three more months.
Zoladex quit working., Now back on Lupron.
Had a  tumer removed from back right hip.
Psa still rising.3-2-10
Still on Lupron.
The last doctors visit, he said He was suprised to see how well I'am doin. He also told me he had second  thoughts of doin the surgery, because he thought I was too far gone, But I will show em.
5-5-10 PSA has doubled in the last year from .01 to .1
weight now 163#
Now having trouble with my right femar and knee  we think it might be a side effect from Lupron
Had a bone scan, it came back good. Dark spot on my left side of my skull wich has gotten smaller since my last bone scan
PSA stayed the same .1  6-14-2010

Worried Guy
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   Posted 8/10/2010 2:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Ash,
To add a signature witht eh pertinent statistics click "My Profile" --> "Edit Profile" Then look near the bottom to find "Signature" .
Jeff
Married 34 years, DX Age 56. First routine PSA test on April 8, 09: 17.8. Start 2 weeks of Cipro to rule out protatitis. May '09 PSA: 22.6, 3 weeks later: PSA: 23.2.
Biopsy 6/10/09: 7/12 scores positive, 20%-70%, Gleason 3+4=7, 3+3=6. Bone and C/T scans neg.
RP DaVinci -7/21/2009 @ Univ of Roch Medical Center
Left nerve gone, right partial spared.
Catheter removed - 7/31/2009 Pathology report received:
Gleason 3+4=7, Tumor size: 2.5 x 1.8 cm, location: both lobes and apex.
Extraprostatic extension present; Perineural invasion: present, extensive.
No Malignancy in Seminal Vesicle, vasa deferentia, lymph nodes 0/13
Prostate mass 56 grams. Pathologic Stage: pT3aN0MX
Post Surgery Status:
Potency - 12/11 5 months, Still no activity, zip. Using pump daily since 11/11. No effect with 20 mg of Cialis or 100 mg of Viagra. Shots next See Uro 1/22/10 Trimix #1. Try 0.08- 25%, 0.12-25%, 2/26/10 try 0.16 First Success! 90%. 8/9/10 Now at 0.24 still 90%
Incontinence - 8/20 4 full pads per day
.. 9/7 3-4 full pads per day. Try controlling fluids.
12/11/09 5 months: 3 pads per day, 400-450ml/day
02/26/10 7 months: 3 pads but leak is now 320 ml (5 day avg.)
03/22/10 8 months: 3 pads per day, 280 ml/day (5 day avg.) PT says all muscles are tight and working properly. "There must be another issue."
5/22/10 10 months: 2 pads per day, 190 ml/day Scope on June 15 "Short sphincter"
7/15/2010 one year: 2 pads per day. 140 ml/day, dry in bed.
Post Surgery PSA - 9/3 6 weeks - 0.05; 10/13 3 months - 0.04
1/14 6 months - 0.05 (Siemens Centaur)
4/14 9 months - 0.04 (Siemens Centaur) and <0.01 (Roche ECLIA).
7/12 1 year - 0.03 (Siemens Centaur, direct chemilum); <0.01 (Roche Cobas 601 ECLIA)

zufus
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   Posted 8/10/2010 5:42 AM (GMT -6)   
Ash- read this about Bolla studies and google them, more than one study.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12126818

I have to inform you that scans are never totally definitive, you appear to have clear scans, thus maybe it is contained is the actual case...regardless of what your particular docs mention...alot of people find this out (sometimes the hardest way), some docs admit the limitations on scans, others sell it as infallible (inquire to John T herein to give you total examples of how they lack, Dr. Strum, Barken and others say the same thing for good reasons). The terminology by Dr. Barken was labelled micro mets, cannot be detectable with current machinery we have, period. I am the messenger, don't shoot me, try to prove me wrong on your own research (if you can). Alot of great sales pitches out there on how perfect and how great the technology and machinery is supposedly...my radiologist is truthful enough to level with me on this too, whereby other docs I saw did not. I had clear scans with high volume, high stats.....sounded wonderful...no guarantee paper with a stamp on it.

I wish all of us the best outcomes, I think total truthfulness and exposure of what is what is long overdue. Many mistakes being made, lupron with no casodex prior, DRE given then psa blood drawn, scans done on indolent PCa patients (wasteful), less than full disclosure by docs on side effects and issues, and tons more.
Youth is wasted on the Young-(W.C. Fields)

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