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   Posted 9/11/2010 7:54 AM (GMT -6)   
I have a link article first of all that is kind of interesting about dogs and how some of them have spontaneous cancer remissions  (without drugs or Oncologists- LOL) or interventions. They say about 2% of the time these remissions happen, they are not totally sure  on the mechanism and why but mention some of this in the article. The good news is they say, studying these dogs and mechanisms may translate into humans benefitting on the findings.  We are sometimes referred to by others as dogs or given a name like snoop dog and such,  LOL...maybe we have more dog in us than we wish to admit. I don't lift my leg but probably have other dog like attributes, us alpha males even have a pack mentality, usually that is for beer and parties and fraternities (LOL). Women sometime refer to us males as dogs and being neandrathals and caveman mentality..hard wired by testostorone we a genetically pre-disposed and hey its not our fault, its the chemistry of being an alpha male. We can be tamed is the good news, some never learn which happens with dogs.(LOL)
We can lick our wounds and roll in some stink (literally), dogs do it instinctively to enhance their body is their free perfume (lol).
My link is not working?  Go to google and search spontaneous remissions prostate cancer (this one is down on the first page of links)
Useful as healing helpers:
================================================Observations on dogs:
Hey I love dogs, I have two of them Australian Shepherd mixed and brothers from a foster home shelter scenario.  It is just to much fun having these dogs, we have a video whereby me and dogs all howl together, in like harmony session around a Christmas tree. I was the alpha male with a Davey Crockett like raccoon hat on.
Dogs can sniff out PCa they are claiming, perhaps we need a Lab in a lab coat, coming in to give us a dog scan or a cat held up to us and do a cat scan.  (LOL)  Maybe dogs can learn to find mets areas and then show the docs where the problem areas are?  (that would be incredible)
Dogs can help people recover or be good therapy in nursing homes and to got to feel that unconditional love and maybe get a few licks unto you. A waging tail when they meet you probably even if you are an evil one could melt your heart and soul. skull - smilewinkgrin
Dogs have saved their masters, family members, used in rescues, bomb sniffers, drug sniffers, now even under water things are being done with them. New meaning to space exploration with a Astro  dog in a suit. Dogs have even instinctively saved strangers or other animals or keep someone warm in a cold climate in order to save them. tongue
Dogs have been bred for special task, services and reasons...herding, hunting, rodent control, protection, and even fetching beer and things  (LOL). Maybe we can get them more into the medical world, of course never for DRE that might be better served even by reese monkeys or such.(LOL)
I think dogs can help a person enjoy living and perhaps longer (if they are under control and not wildish types).  Lets hope these dogs teach us some new tricks in PCa research and scanning methods (lol). yeah     Perhaps our new doctors names will become:  Dr. Barkin, Dr. Wag, Dr. Wolfgang, Dr. Coats, Dr. Howell, Dr. Breedlove, Dr. Benefull, Dr. Spike, Dr. Astro, Dr. Snoopy, Dr. Marma Duke,  Dr. Choker Chan, and add your favorite!  Maybe join www.packusa for their nose for newsletters?

Post Edited (zufus) : 9/11/2010 8:43:05 AM (GMT-6)

John T
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   Posted 9/11/2010 10:39 AM (GMT -6)   
There are a lot of stories about spontaneous remission. I've heard it referred to as vanishing cancer. I think this happens more than we think with very low risk PC, G6<1%.
We have all heard stories about patients being operated on and no cancer being found in their pathology. I know of several cases where scans showed tumors and later scans found it completely gone. If HT can knock low grade cancer into remission I don't see why normal body imune functions can't also do this.
I know the feeling a you have about dogs, I've got two Rhodesian Ridgebacks, they are a joy and the added benefit is that they keep the lions away from the neighborhood.

64 years old.

PSA rising for 10 years to 40, free psa 10-15. Had 5 urologists, 12 biopsies and MRIS all neg. Doctors DXed BPH and continue to get biopsies yearly. 13th biopsy positive in 10-08, 2 cores of 25, G6 less than 5%. Scheduled for surgery as recommended by Urological Oncologist.

2nd Opinion from Dr Sholtz, a Prostate Oncologist, said DX wrong, pathology shows indolant cancer, but psa history indicates large cancer or metastasis. Futher tests and Color Doppler confirmed large transition zone tumor that 13 biopsies and MRIS missed. G7, 4+3, approx 16mmX18mm.

Combidex MRI in Holland eliminated lymphnode mets. Casodex and Proscar reduced psa to 0.6 and prostate from 60mm to 32mm. Changed diet, no meat and dairy. All staging tests indicate that tumor is local and non agressive. (PAP, PCA3, MRIS, Color Doppler, Combidex, tumor reaction to diet and Casodex, and tumor location in transition zone). Surgery a poor option because tumor is located next to the urethea and positive margin is very likely; permanent incontenance is also high probability with surgery.

Seed implants on 5-19-09, 3 hours door to door, no pain, minor side affects are frequency and urgency; very controlable with Flowmax and lasted 4 weeks. Daily activities resumed day after implants with no restrictions. Gold markers implanted with seeds to guide IMRT.

25 treatments of IMRT 6 weeks after seed implants. No side affects at all.

PSA at end of treatment 0.02 mostly the result of Casodex. When I stop Casodex next week expect PSA to rise. Next PSA in November. Treatments and side affects have greatly exceeded my expectations. Glad to have this 11 year journey finally conclude.


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   Posted 9/11/2010 11:47 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey Zufus,
Thanks for posting this, our 12+ year old Beagle/Basset hound had a cancer in his ear canal, mass was poking out and was routinely debulked by the vet, we had it biopsied in July '09 and it was determined to be very aggressive, he was given 6 months at best. As of his last visit the vet could find no evidence of cancer. Barney has other age related issues but appears to be in complete remission with no treatment whatsoever.

Sadly he refuses to divulge his secret.
Dave in Durango CO

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   Posted 9/11/2010 1:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks John more should be analyzed on any types of remissions, we need to see if we can find evidence of a PCa patient whom either with low grade or any grade of PCa, conquered it definitively with drugs or other means, after being declared uncureable originally. Supposedly some cases exist, I would like hear from someone or read the information as to being maybe authentic. Could be very anectdotal, who cares, lets hear about it. Like as patients we don't want to hear about anectdotal, sure some docs don't want to hear it that badly...we are dying to hear about such. They only want strongly backed empirical evidence that you can bank on (some guys anyway), we patients will accept the small change and coins or scraps from the table like good dogs.

Daveshan- that is just really cool to hear from someone with a dog in the 2% class of possible remissions, maybe he didn't pay his vet bill and so the doc gave him additional 6 months to live and pay up (ha-ha). Seemed the doc might have got it all or enough, that Barney could conquer the rest. Dog gone good story anyway.
Dx-2002 total urinary blockage, bPsa 46.6 12/12 biopsies all loaded 75-95% vol.; Gleasons scores 7,8,9's (2-sets), gland size 35 normal, ct and bone scans appearing clear- ADT3 5 months prior to radiations neutron/photon 2-machines, cont'd. ADT3, quit after 2 yrs. switched to DES 1-mg, off for 1 yr., controlled so well, resumed, using intermittently, pleased with results

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   Posted 9/11/2010 6:07 PM (GMT -6)   
i am a skeptic on this one, how many of these "stories" are fact based, and not some kind of urbran legend type of thing. don't get me wrong, out and out unexplainable miracles with medical matters happened, and have baffled the experts for years. but these are rare, and they are definitely the exception, not the norm. and i am not talking about quacks promoting some imaginary miracle claim. people that had honest verified tumors that just plain vanished.

on these rare events, all i can do is say, "wow". that's amazing.

on the dog part, i can only handle a dog if its an outdoor dog, got a real sensitive nose, and the smell of dogs just reek to me, always been a cat person. even a freshly cleaned dog, still smells like a dog. but everyone likes something different, thats for sure. i love the independence of a cat, as you can't make a cat do anything it doesnt want to do on its one. a dog, too easy, they will do anything for a treat.

david in sc
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 ?
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, on Catheter #21, will be having Ileal Conduit Surgery in Sept.

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   Posted 9/12/2010 4:21 PM (GMT -6)   
The dog says; “They love me, they shelter me, they feed me. They must be gods”.
The cat says; “They love me, they shelter me, they feed me. I must be a god.”
Cat on my left, dog on my right – both are correct.
Age at diagnosis 66, PSA 5.5
Biopsy 12/08 12 cores, 8 positive
Gleason 3+4=7
CAT scan, Bone scan 1/09 both negative.

Robotic surgery 03/03/09 Catheter Out 03/08/09
Pathology: Lymph nodes & Seminal vesicles negative
Margins positive, Capsular penetration extensive Gleason 4+3=7
6 weeks: 1 pad/day, 1 pad/night -- mostly dry at night.
10 weeks: no pad at night -- slight leakage day/1 pad.
3 mo. PSA 0.0 - now light pads
6 mo. PSA 0.00 -- 1 light pad/day
9 mo. PSA 0.00 -- 1 light pad/day ED remains
12 mo. PSA 0.00 -- still one light pad and ED
16 mo PSA 0.00 -- light pad just for security, ED still an issue
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