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Fairwind
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   Posted 9/14/2010 10:24 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm listening to the Rockies / Padres baseball game on the radio, the usual baseball ads are running, Ford Trucks, Beer, Viagra, Shell Gasoline...Then I couldn't believe it..Denver Cyberknife making a sales pitch! "Do YOU need radiation treatment?? Have you investigated the latest in radiation therapy? We invite you to contact Denver Cyberknife and learn more about this exciting new treatment. Call our toll-free number today.."

I couldn't believe it..Advertising RT on an AM radio station during a ball game....
Age 68.
PSA at age 55: 3.5, DRE negative. Advice, "Keep an eye on it".
PSA at age 58: 4.5
PSA at age 61: 5.2
PSA at age 64: 7.5, DRE "Abnormal"
PSA at age 65: 8.5, DRE " normal", biopsy, 12 core, negative...
PSA age 66 9.0 DRE "normal", 2ed biopsy, negative, BPH, Proscar
PSA at age 67 4.5 DRE "normal"
PSA at age 68 7.0 third biopsy positive, 4 out of 12, G6,7, 9
RRP performed Sept 3 2010

RCS
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   Posted 9/15/2010 5:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Fairwind,
 
I've also seen their adds on television. 
 
I'm guessing business must be slow .... and that the CK must be an expensive dust catcher.

goodlife
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   Posted 9/15/2010 5:41 PM (GMT -6)   
Henry Ford advertises Davinci on WJR all the time here in Detroit.

It's just business !
Goodlife
 
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared, but carved up a little.
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks .
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)
5 month PSA <.03 (undetectable)
6 Month PSA <.01
1 pad a day, no progress on ED.  Trimix injection
No pads, 1/1/10,  9 month PSA < .01
1 year psa (364 days) .01
15 month PSA <.01

Fairwind
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   Posted 9/15/2010 6:01 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm starting to feel like a cash cow...

Applejack Liquors, another big baseball sponsor, leads off their ad with "are you are the bottom of your fifth??" That I can understand...

60Michael
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   Posted 9/15/2010 6:19 PM (GMT -6)   
It was a difficult pill to swallow the first time I saw ED medication advertised as well.
Michael

Fairwind
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   Posted 9/15/2010 7:10 PM (GMT -6)   
The CIA is trying to win the hearts and minds of the Tribal Leaders in Afghanistan..They were getting nowhere, nobody's talking. "Sorry, but we can't help you"..One clever agent offers a small bottle of Viagra in exchange for some badly needed information..An agreement is struck..Shortly thereafter, once the proper form of remuneration had been determined, information and cooperation became MUCH easier to obtain... Sometimes you just have to work outside the box..

But when they stoop to advertising radiation treatments during baseball games, that's one step over the line...

zufus
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   Posted 9/16/2010 6:44 AM (GMT -6)   
It is being done all over the place with various treatments not just the evil radiation that you have made the target. You think you feel like a cash cow, you have not confronted hormone therapy yet (hopefully you can avoid this cash party). Did you know some websites for PCa groups are influenced by drug companies in one form or another? (that is surely beauty of our culture...$$$$$...adding to bias or influence...what is all that data being used for???).

We are even seeing local ads on T.V. for Henry Ford LRRP and even the docs name is being dropped around so everyone knows who's the man(maybe it is actually good, although biased). Andrew in Ohio said he saw a billboard in Ohio, whereby LRRP was being endorsed...hey it will likely get worse. Seen the same here on billboards. Would you believe on t.v. the cake makers show (one of them), they made the LRRP machine for somebody...what are we worshipping the golden calf??? (LOL)

Wait for endorsements or photos to show up on milk cartons....John Doe cured by robot # 669, Sammy Fry cured in 2002 by HDR brachy seeds...with added 'podcast' (the body snatchers it was an internal job-LOL). Ty Chi gets HIFU...gland commits harriecarrie. Maybe prostate cancer 'baseball' cards are coming....checkout those stats!...look at cure rate averages...number of strike outs. (sounds ridiculous...watch t.v. ads as they morph...now viagara et al....mentions the side effects of 4 hour erections (sales went throught the roof, they all mention that side effect-LOL). What is next elementary schools handing out viagara and condoms at the same time?
Dx-2002 total urinary blockage, bPsa 46.6 12/12 biopsies all loaded 75-95% vol.; Gleasons scores 7,8,9's (2-sets), gland size 35 normal, ct and bone scans appearing clear- ADT3 5 months prior to radiations neutron/photon 2-machines, cont'd. ADT3, quit after 2 yrs. switched to DES 1-mg, off for 1 yr., controlled so well, resumed, using intermittently, pleased with results

Tudpock18
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   Posted 9/16/2010 6:48 AM (GMT -6)   

In SW Florida there is a big advertising push for da vinci surgery.  Billboards, TV and radio.  PCa is big business as the baby boomers age...

Tudpock (Jim)


Age 62 (64 now), G 3 + 4 = 7, T1C, PSA 4.2, 2/16 cancerous, 27cc. Brachytherapy 12/9/08. 73 Iodine-125 seeds. Procedure went great, catheter out before I went home, only minor discomfort. Everything continues to function normally as of 9/10/10. 6 month PSA 1.4, 1 year PSA at 1.0. My docs are "delighted"! My journey:
http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=1305643

RCS
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   Posted 9/16/2010 10:21 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey Fairwind,



smilewinkgrin Now you guys knew it was coming, didn't ya? devil smilewinkgrin
post edited, violation of Rule 2:

2. No discussion of medical marijuana use.

Post Edited By Moderator (James C.) : 9/16/2010 12:46:40 PM (GMT-6)


compiler
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   Posted 9/16/2010 10:30 AM (GMT -6)   

Zufus:

 

Dr. Menon at Ford did my surgery. I bet he is the one featured in the ad(?).

Mel


Postop
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   Posted 9/16/2010 10:39 AM (GMT -6)   
Don't forget the "Low T" ads on Facebook. If you are male, over 50, and have a Facebook page, you'll have this pop up.

Ziggy9
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   Posted 9/16/2010 10:54 AM (GMT -6)   
They have been advertising Cyberkife all over on Denver media for awhile now. You just heard one ad now?

Ziggy9
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   Posted 9/16/2010 11:03 AM (GMT -6)   
expect this post and RCs to be censored soon

smilewinkgrin Now you guys knew it was coming, didn't ya? devil smilewinkgrin
post edited, violation of Rule 2:

2. No discussion of medical marijuana use.

Post Edited By Moderator (James C.) : 9/16/2010 12:48:32 PM (GMT-6)


Fairwind
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   Posted 9/16/2010 11:33 AM (GMT -6)   
The dark underbelly of Capitalism, advertising for customers in a free market..You would think that with all this free market competition, prices would come under heavy downward pressure but that doesn't seem to be happening..

Zufus, I really enjoy reading your posts..You have been through the mill and the insights you have gained are priceless. Your BS filters are operating at 100% efficiency..

As to the high cost of "Hormone Treatment"....All men have available to them a $850 one time charge that results in the most effective, fastest acting HT there is..Not too long ago castration was the standard treatment..Today, that treatment is generally reserved for people without insurance and a thin bank balance..Your choice of DES, another old standby, gets the job done for what, $3 a day?? They can't make any money off that so no wonder it's not popular.. Nothing that costs only $3/day can possibly work, right?

What is the goal of the cancer treatment industry?? Curing us of this disease, extending our lives as long as possible, or cleaning out our bank balance before they turn you over to Hospice care....One of the biggest transfers of wealth in history..
Age 68.
PSA at age 55: 3.5, DRE negative. Advice, "Keep an eye on it".
PSA at age 58: 4.5
PSA at age 61: 5.2
PSA at age 64: 7.5, DRE "Abnormal"
PSA at age 65: 8.5, DRE " normal", biopsy, 12 core, negative...
PSA age 66 9.0 DRE "normal", 2ed biopsy, negative, BPH, Proscar
PSA at age 67 4.5 DRE "normal"
PSA at age 68 7.0 third biopsy positive, 4 out of 12, G-6,7, 9
RRP performed Sept 3 2010

Purgatory
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   Posted 9/16/2010 11:50 AM (GMT -6)   
smilewinkgrin Now you guys knew it was coming, didn't ya? devil smilewinkgrin
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2. No discussion of medical marijuana use.

Post Edited By Moderator (James C.) : 9/16/2010 12:49:12 PM (GMT-6)


Ziggy9
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   Posted 9/16/2010 1:02 PM (GMT -6)   
smilewinkgrin Now you guys knew it was coming, didn't ya? devil smilewinkgrin
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2. No discussion of medical marijuana use.

Post Edited By Moderator (James C.) : 9/16/2010 12:49:44 PM (GMT-6)


Purgatory
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   Posted 9/16/2010 1:48 PM (GMT -6)   
It is still in violation of Rule #2 here at HW, and I would hate to see you get censored or banned over it

smilewinkgrin Now you guys knew it was coming, didn't ya? devil smilewinkgrin
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2. No discussion of medical marijuana use.

Purgatory
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   Posted 9/16/2010 1:53 PM (GMT -6)   
james, i see how this works, even if you warn a brother about a rule violation, you get your post censored too. the positive goes out with the negative in your method.
 
ziggy, my brother, that is why i was trying to warn you, hoping you would retract your post on your own, before the "Giant Magic Marker" came along censored it all.  I am for complying to rules, but oh, how I hate censorship.

Post Edited (Purgatory) : 9/16/2010 12:56:29 PM (GMT-6)


Ziggy9
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   Posted 9/16/2010 1:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Purgatory said...
It is still in violation of Rule #2 here at HW, and I would hate to see you get censored or banned over it

smilewinkgrin Now you guys knew it was coming, didn't ya? devil smilewinkgrin
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2. No discussion of medical marijuana use.


I knew it was coming, doesn't make it any less silly. Times change, it's legal for millions of people now. Time to update archaic rules IMO

My final words for now on the subject

Post Edited (Ziggy9) : 9/16/2010 1:00:40 PM (GMT-6)


Sancarlos
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   Posted 9/16/2010 2:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Fairwind said...
I'm starting to feel like a cash cow...

Applejack Liquors, another big baseball sponsor, leads off their ad with "are you are the bottom of your fifth??" That I can understand...


Don't feel paranoid, Fairwind. If you have prostate cancer and good insurance you *are* a cash cow. As they say, paranoia is just a heightened sense of awareness.

I looked at my medical receipts recently related to PCa and the total cost for my brachytherapy operation + 25 sessions of IMRT plus the Lupron injections plus the original pathology and costs for MRI, Bone and CAT scans is over $200K. I have Medicare + Supplement and none of this has cost me anything but I understand fully why the folks in the medical profession always make me feel so welcome when I walk in the door. Someone's dream vacation to Paris for a month and laissez les bons temps rouler is stamped right on my forehead.

And when it rains it pours. Just found out that I have severe Cervical Stenosis of the neck from C3 through C5 from degenerative arthritis that has intruded so much inside the vertebra that the spinal cord canal is only about 0.7mm. This means that sometimes in the near future I will have to have a decompression operation, i.e. someone will have a laser or knife within less than a millimeter from the spinal cord, now imagine how that strikes terror into one's soul. The only positive thing I can see from this is that PCa, even Gleason 9, now seems like such a trivial thing. Oh,and guess what? To find this out there goes another $10K in MRI and CAT scans, plus the radiologist insisted on another Bone scan because of my history of PCa.

Sancarlos
Age 66, PC diagnosed 7/2009 at age 65
Stage: T2c, Gleason: 9 (4 + 5), 6 of 6 cores positive
Bone, CAT and MIR scans negative

Treatment: brachytherapy (103 palladium), 100 gy, 11/2010 + hormone therapy (Lupron + Casodex) + IMRT on Novalis, 45 gy, 3/2010.

PSA: 7/2009, At time of diagnosis -- 11.9
10/2009 -- 5.0
12/2009 -- 0.56
5/2010 -- 0.15
8/9/2010 -- 0.06

James C.
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   Posted 9/16/2010 2:09 PM (GMT -6)   
David, warning is one thing, continued discussion is another, sorry...smilewinkgrin

ziggy9, you can contact Peter, but he gets the same comments daily and hasn't changed his stance on it up to now. admin@healingwell.com smilewinkgrin
James C. Age 63
Gonna Make Myself A Better Man tinyurl.com/28e8qcg
4/07: PSA 7.6, 7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS3+3=6
9/07: Nerve Sparing open RRP, Path: pT2c, 110 gms., margins clear GS6
3 Years: PSA's .04 each test until 04/10-.06, 09/10-.09- Uh-Oh, reoccurance?
ED continues: Bimix- .3ml or Trimix- .15ml

zufus
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   Posted 9/16/2010 3:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Mel- yes they mention Dr. M's name in the ads, he is considered amongest the best, myself know him to be honest in my case, rejected because of too high of stats...that is brutally honest and confirmed him to be correct.  So, I guess I consider him the Ayetolah of  Prostatola.

Fairwind- you are way to high on the drugs, costs varies..it depends also on where you get it...no patents...it costs me $30 for 100 of the 1-mg capsules, which is over 3 months useage. Costs less than vitamins (lol) , some places charge 2-8 times this amount for the same gig. Now patches and emcyt do cost considerably more, emcyt might even have better results, did wonders for Dr. Lee. Hey if you are actually continent this fast, that is way better than average post surgery as you are right now. Bravo in that! 

Post Edited (zufus) : 9/16/2010 2:26:50 PM (GMT-6)


RCS
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   Posted 9/16/2010 3:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Darn ... broke a rule I wasn't aware of. Sorry, won't mention it again.

.... but Ziggy9's recent post is spot on.
PSA 2007 - 2.8; 11/24/2008 - 7.6; PCa Dx 2/11/09; age at Dx 62; RLP 4/20/09

Biopsy - Invasive moderately differentiated prostatic andenocarconoma; G 3+3=6; PT2C; No evidence of Seminal Vesicle or Extraprostatic Involvement; Margins clear; Tumor identified in sections from prostatic apex. 70 gram prostate. Continent after removal of cath.

ED - Trimix works well; levitra @ 90%
PSA - 7/31/09 <0.06; 12/1/09 <0.06; 3/29/10 <0.06; 8/4/10 <0.06

NEIrish
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   Posted 9/16/2010 3:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Everyday my email contains solicitations to buy Johns Hopkins' various pamphlets etc. on PCa. Every once in awhile they'll throw one in on another age-related medical topic like hip replacement, memory problems etc. to see if I'll bite. We used JH only for a second opinion on the biop slides, so I guess they still want some sort of cash from us. It's Corporate America all the way.
Husband 60yrs., no symptms: PSA 10/04 2.73, 12/06 3.64, 5/09 3.9, 10/09 4.6, 1/10 5.0w/ free PSA 24
6 core biop 4/1/10 path rept: rt mid: adnocarc. G=3+3, 5% of core; R apx v. susp. minute ca, R base bnign w/ mod. atrophy, L side atrphy only; 2nd opnion JH confrmd
MRI - 15mm nodule
BiLatRP surg 7/6/10, path: T2c, nodes, sem.ves, extra caps. neg., adenoc both sides G=3+3 cntinent, Viagr-8/27 ED

Zen9
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   Posted 9/16/2010 4:00 PM (GMT -6)   

M. D. Anderson advertises its services for all kinds of cancer treatments here in Houston.  Radio ads end with: "Appointments are available today."

PCa is very big business, and that has important ramifications for many of the issues we discuss here.

Zen9

 

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