faith, hope and love., do they apply here or not?

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logoslidat
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   Posted 9/19/2010 10:56 AM (GMT -6)   
As I have not seen any constitutional lawyers here, do these 3 words applied on this forum have anything to do with seperation of church and state. Or are they truths that may explain the anomalies of this dis/ease and others. This is not a religous question, these qualities have been around as long as the human race. None of us should shy away from these " truths " because of " political correctectness. They more than not, really, can and do make the difference in QOL in any situation. Do we all have to be " scientists ". Can't we embrace these qualities.. This isn't rocket science. Don't get me wrong, I love true knowledge, but when it runs out for a time, we are left with workable options, as indicated by thes 3 words.

tatt2man
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   Posted 9/19/2010 11:22 AM (GMT -6)   
Logoslidat:
Those three words can unite us and, at the same time, untie the bonds that bring us together in the fight against this confusing disease called Prostate Cancer.

Faith - for us mere mortals, often a higher being is drawn into our lives to help give us meaning and purpose - and when things go wrong - the faith (or absence of it) can help up continue the fight as we evolve in our lives a sense of meaning, worth, and purpose.

Hope - the glue that helps link one day to the next - one's struggle to a satisfactory conclusion - in which positive thinking creates a greater good and a justifiable means.

Love - the love of life, the life of our love, that elusive feeling, emotion, chemical imbalance that drives us crazy yet keeps us sane - love transcends disease and decay and death.

And with those words listed above - we are all transient creatures on this earth - hopefully, we will, with the benefit of faith, hope and love , be able to leave a positive mark on it.

BRONSON
Age: 55 -gay with spouse, Steve - live in Peteborough, Ontario, Canada
PSA: 10/06/2009 - 3.86
Biopsy: 10/16/2009- 6 of 12 cancerous samples, Gleason 7 (4+3)
Radical Prostatectomy: 11/18/2009
Pathology: pT3a- gleason 7 -extraprostatic extension -perineural invasion -prostate weight -34.1 gm
Post Surgery-PSA: April 8, 2010 - 0.05 -I am in the ZERO CLUB - hooorah!
Next PSA: Sept 23, 2010 -TBA

Post Edited (tatt2man) : 9/19/2010 10:25:14 AM (GMT-6)


Casey59
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   Posted 9/19/2010 11:31 AM (GMT -6)   

Logoslidat,


What a great comment/question. It absolutely does go way beyond science, but there is also emerging science that says a positive attitude reinforced with faith, hope and love is not just a state of mind. The science here is very much at the beginning, but the recognition of mind-body health is gathering steam…and funding (>$100K annual funding by NIH) and interest (thousands of articles on how the mind and brain affect the body).

Without dwelling on the science, let me simply say that one’s well-being elevates the immunity system and lowers stress hormones and levels of inflammation, which in turn helps fight disease.  It's that simple.

But, the message of mind-body healing is misunderstood by those who expect too much from the power of the mind and mistakenly think positive thought will bring about miraculous physical healing. The short-sighted reaction often heard is that the “cow is out of the barn” and so you might as well do nothing. People need to think not in terms of a cure, but a better life. When a person can focus on something other than chronic illness, it allows the body to take advantage of our own healing capacity.  Faith, hope and love...to me, it's just one more step that one can take to stack the odds favorably for a positive outcome.

Thank you for raising this comment/question.

Best wishes…

 

edit:  fixed typo

Post Edited (Casey59) : 9/19/2010 10:44:08 AM (GMT-6)


John T
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   Posted 9/19/2010 12:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Longoslidat,
You will get as many different answers to this question as there are people on this forum. These are intangabiles and will be defined differently by individuals. The placebo affect has been well noted; you most likely will do better if you think you are. If you are hopelss you will most likely do worse as dispair takes it's toll on the body. Faith is also a double edge sword that leads some to forgo all treatment or try unproven alternative medicines leaving all decisions in the hands of a higher being.
I don't think there is any question that the mind affects the body in some way, both good and bad. Are there outside supernatural forces at work out there? This is where we start to get into religion and belief systems that should not be the subject of this forum.
JT

64 years old.

PSA rising for 10 years to 40, free psa 10-15. Had 5 urologists, 12 biopsies and MRIS all neg. Doctors DXed BPH and continue to get biopsies yearly. 13th biopsy positive in 10-08, 2 cores of 25, G6 less than 5%. Scheduled for surgery as recommended by Urological Oncologist.

2nd Opinion from Dr Sholtz, a Prostate Oncologist, said DX wrong, pathology shows indolant cancer, but psa history indicates large cancer or metastasis. Futher tests and Color Doppler confirmed large transition zone tumor that 13 biopsies and MRIS missed. G7, 4+3, approx 16mmX18mm.

Combidex MRI in Holland eliminated lymphnode mets. Casodex and Proscar reduced psa to 0.6 and prostate from 60mm to 32mm. Changed diet, no meat and dairy. All staging tests indicate that tumor is local and non agressive. (PAP, PCA3, MRIS, Color Doppler, Combidex, tumor reaction to diet and Casodex, and tumor location in transition zone). Surgery a poor option because tumor is located next to the urethea and positive margin is very likely; permanent incontenance is also high probability with surgery.

Seed implants on 5-19-09, 3 hours door to door, no pain, minor side affects are frequency and urgency; very controlable with Flowmax and lasted 4 weeks. Daily activities resumed day after implants with no restrictions. Gold markers implanted with seeds to guide IMRT.

25 treatments of IMRT 6 weeks after seed implants. No side affects at all.

PSA at end of treatment 0.02 mostly the result of Casodex. When I stop Casodex next week expect PSA to rise. Next PSA in November. Treatments and side affects have greatly exceeded my expectations. Glad to have this 11 year journey finally conclude.

JohnT


ChrisR
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   Posted 9/19/2010 1:56 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't think faith hope or love has anything to do with it. This desease won't just go away miraculously on it's own. Science saved me. Nothing else.

F8
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   Posted 9/19/2010 2:12 PM (GMT -6)   

faith, love and hope always apply to my life.  the doctors are fighting the cancer and i am battling fear and doubt.  i would not be able to do it without faith, love and hope.

ed


age: 55
PSA on 12/09: 6.8
no symptoms, no prostate enlargement
12/12 cores positive....gleason 3+4 = 7
HT, BT and IGRT
received 3rd and last lupron shot 9/14/10

Post Edited (F8) : 9/19/2010 1:25:26 PM (GMT-6)


logoslidat
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   Posted 9/19/2010 2:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the response's. I have seen, IMO, a lot of worry, anxiety, etc from some of the longer term residents of the site and was trying to present some options that do work for QOL, without being accused of proslytizing. I guess I just don;t want these options taken away from these discussions, as they really are, IMO , helpful. Hey, let's all have a great Sunday, summers coming to a close, Football is back, Life really is good, good really is good, blessings on all your houses!!
age 67 First psa 4/17/09 psa 8.3, 7/27/09 psa 8.1
8/12/09 biopsy 6 out of 12 pos 2-70%, rest <5% 3+3
10/19/09 open rrp U of Washington Medical Center, left bundle spared
10/30/09 catheter out. continent from the jump.
pathology- prostate confined, only thing positive was the report.everything else negative
9% of prostate affected. gleason 3+4, I suppose thats a negative
After reading pathology myself, gleason was 3+4 with tertiary 5, 2-3 foci, extensive PNI, That is a negative, but I am a positive !!
Ed an issue but keeping the blood flowing with the osbon pump
Dec 14,2009 psa 0.0 May 10 2010, psa 0.0

" Hypocrisy is vice's homage to Virtue " Francois de la Rochefoucauld, source courtesy of Tatt2

Purgatory
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   Posted 9/19/2010 3:07 PM (GMT -6)   
For starters, refresh your memory of one of the cardinal rules here at HW, when you join here, you are agreeing to the rules:

11. No posts of an overtly political or religious nature OR posts promoting advocacy of particular personal, medical, legal, religious, political, or non-profit causes. The forums are intended for offering mutual personal support. Debating controversial subjects should be taken elsewhere. Limited religious references are allowed (ie. "my prayers are with you" or a brief quote as part of a larger post), but the forums should not be used to convert others.

There are a lot of men of faith here, and those with strong views on athiesm, etc. Best bet is to abide by the rules. If anyone want's to talk about matters of faith in detail, they can do it off of HW,, via e-mail, other forumns, phone, etc.

David in SC
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 ?
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, on Catheter #21, will be having Ileal Conduit Surgery in Sept.

logoslidat
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   Posted 9/19/2010 3:33 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm not trying to convert anyone. From what to what. You just made it controversial, not me. Anything I post has zip to do with religeon or politics or controversy. Religeon imposes belief systems in how you apply the three words. To me they stand on their own merits. Don,t need no stinkin religeon here!! See I cant even spell it. So are the concepts of faith, hope and love controversial? Even atheists line up positively with these concepts. If we are just to talk about the scientific facts on this site, there wouldn;t be much to talk about, as the facts on this disease are few. I follow the rules and trust the moderators can see the nuances of my post, though you may not, though I suspect you do.
age 67 First psa 4/17/09 psa 8.3, 7/27/09 psa 8.1
8/12/09 biopsy 6 out of 12 pos 2-70%, rest <5% 3+3
10/19/09 open rrp U of Washington Medical Center, left bundle spared
10/30/09 catheter out. continent from the jump.
pathology- prostate confined, only thing positive was the report.everything else negative
9% of prostate affected. gleason 3+4, I suppose thats a negative
After reading pathology myself, gleason was 3+4 with tertiary 5, 2-3 foci, extensive PNI, That is a negative, but I am a positive !!
Ed an issue but keeping the blood flowing with the osbon pump
Dec 14,2009 psa 0.0 May 10 2010, psa 0.0

" Hypocrisy is vice's homage to Virtue " Francois de la Rochefoucauld, source courtesy of Tatt2

Purgatory
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   Posted 9/19/2010 3:38 PM (GMT -6)   
if your last post was directed to me, and i can't tell for sure, i never said you did anything wrong. i was just reminding the thread in general about the rule specific to the issue. if it were up to me, i would lighten up on that rule a bit, but this wonderful site belongs to Peter, he makes the rules, we agree when we join, and our moderators have to enforce as they see fit.

david in sc
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 ?
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, on Catheter #21, will be having Ileal Conduit Surgery in Sept.

goodlife
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   Posted 9/19/2010 4:35 PM (GMT -6)   
I think logo has done a masterful job of bringing up a question without transgressing the forum rules, and allowing us to discuss an important part of healing well.

There are some who have become bitter and feel cheated by life because they have PC. It is my hypothesis that those who become bitter and angry are cheating themselves from returning to a satisfactory life style after treatment. If we view everything with a bitter slant, or our anger is always boiling, even the grandkids running around sets us off, our spouse offering to do something for us results in a push back, and perhaps hurtful words, life will never be normal again.

We see men and women who have been blind, deaf, or disabled from birth who have gone on to do amazing things. We have seen young men return from war with devastating wounds, and missing limbs who have overcome their disabilities and continue on to live happy, fulfilling lives. If we think for a minute that these examples of overcoming have not employed elements of faith , hope, and love, I really think we are fooling ourselves.

For me, being allowed to live 58 great years before I had PC, makes me thankful. I feel that I am fortunate to still be alive, as compared to my peers who have died in Viet Nam, car accidets, heart attacks, cancer, etc. Could i be happy without faith, hope, and love, .... probably not.

I am thankful for today, look forward to tomorrow, and I will continue to live the good life.
Goodlife
 
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared, but carved up a little.
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks .
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)
5 month PSA <.03 (undetectable)
6 Month PSA <.01
1 pad a day, no progress on ED.  Trimix injection
No pads, 1/1/10,  9 month PSA < .01
1 year psa (364 days) .01
15 month PSA <.01

logoslidat
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   Posted 9/19/2010 6:24 PM (GMT -6)   
With all the male ego's here, we actually for the most part get along pretty well, remembering its not us against each other, its us against PCA. The written word is subject to misunderstandings and sometimes we get fission, guess thats where love comes in.
age 67 First psa 4/17/09 psa 8.3, 7/27/09 psa 8.1
8/12/09 biopsy 6 out of 12 pos 2-70%, rest <5% 3+3
10/19/09 open rrp U of Washington Medical Center, left bundle spared
10/30/09 catheter out. continent from the jump.
pathology- prostate confined, only thing positive was the report.everything else negative
9% of prostate affected. gleason 3+4, I suppose thats a negative
After reading pathology myself, gleason was 3+4 with tertiary 5, 2-3 foci, extensive PNI, That is a negative, but I am a positive !!
Ed an issue but keeping the blood flowing with the osbon pump
Dec 14,2009 psa 0.0 May 10 2010, psa 0.0

" Hypocrisy is vice's homage to Virtue " Francois de la Rochefoucauld, source courtesy of Tatt2

Purgatory
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   Posted 9/19/2010 6:51 PM (GMT -6)   
logo,

i think considering what all of us go through with the PC journeys, that we as a rule get along remarkable well. for my own case, i try not to take it personal, i.e. blaming myself for getting various cancers including PC, I certainly don't blame others. Its more like life is a deck of cards, and different people get different hands, and all I am trying to do with my drawn cards, is make the best of it. Despite dealing with cancer before in my life and being in a serious situation years ago, I still feel that I underestimated the fickleness of PC. That's why no one should be dogmatic here in their opinions and theories, myself included. There are too many variable and too many inconsistencies with PC. All we can do is what we do now: share and compare stories, share knowledge as we learn it, and watch out for each other's back. There is comfort in numbers, and the brothers and sisters here still make up an awesome support basis. The least important part of that, is whether we all agree with each other in every point discussed. That would be boring and totally unrealistic. Even my own real life extended family can't do that.

david in sc
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 ?
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, on Catheter #21, will be having Ileal Conduit Surgery in Sept.

Ziggy9
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   Posted 9/19/2010 6:57 PM (GMT -6)   
logoslidat said...
Thanks for the response's. I have seen, IMO, a lot of worry, anxiety, etc from some of the longer term residents of the site and was trying to present some options that do work for QOL, without being accused of proslytizing. I guess I just don;t want these options taken away from these discussions, as they really are, IMO , helpful. Hey, let's all have a great Sunday, summers coming to a close, Football is back, Life really is good, good really is good, blessings on all your houses!!


Your first post was proselytizing. You state matters of faith are truths that "political correctness" people shouldn't shy away from. Classic proselytizing. This thread in "truth" is you just trolling for an argument or permission for you to bring your religion here. This comes out of the blue. So just stop it!

Purgatory
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   Posted 9/19/2010 7:29 PM (GMT -6)   
ziggy,

that is why rule #11 is an important to us as a community. some folks idea of the "truth" is different than others, and it scares me when that kind of "truth" is either openly or through clever wording, forced on others. if people were willing to be open minded and very inclusive on the subject, then it could be included in this type of dialogue, but the owner and moderators have seen how quickly that gets out of hand, as it did in the past.

==========================

casey, i see you coudln't resist getting another stab in about the "cow out of the barn" analogy that i have used, and no point, have i ever suggested doing "nothing' as you said, is the answer. it would be more fitting of you, to include my name as well, if you insist on not dropping that particular subject. again to refresh your memory, it was a couple of specialist doctors ,that used that phrasology in the first place with me, i cant even take credit for it.

david in sc
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 ?
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, on Catheter #21, will be having Ileal Conduit Surgery in Sept.

Ziggy9
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   Posted 9/19/2010 8:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Purgatory said...
ziggy,

that is why rule #11 is an important to us as a community. some folks idea of the "truth" is different than others, and it scares me when that kind of "truth" is either openly or through clever wording, forced on others. if people were willing to be open minded and very inclusive on the subject, then it could be included in this type of dialogue, but the owner and moderators have seen how quickly that gets out of hand, as it did in the past.


david in sc


I agree with rule #11. I'm not all that hard core about either. Unlike a past regular here I've always been tolerant and could care less of all the Our prayers are with you type postings. But yes a cleverly worded post praising "truth" while at the same time disparaging science trips the warning bells for me. There are plenty of online religious forums where one can take comfort if they CHOOSE to go there.

ChrisR
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   Posted 9/19/2010 8:16 PM (GMT -6)   
I agree With ziggy. This thread is on slippery ground.
Dx 42
Gleason 6 (tertiary score 0)
OPEN RP 10/08  Johns Hopkins
pT2 Organ confined Gleason 6
PSA Undetectable as of 10/15/09
Next PSA 10/15/2010

Purgatory
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   Posted 9/19/2010 8:25 PM (GMT -6)   
well guys, seems like we are of one mindset with rule #11. if the moderators peek in and think the original posting is out of line, you can count on it be censored quickly.

david
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 ?
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, on Catheter #21, will be having Ileal Conduit Surgery in Sept.

goodlife
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   Posted 9/19/2010 8:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Ziggy,

It sounds as tho you are associating truth with the word religion. While followers of religion regard their beliefs as truth, there is a lot of truth that is not particlularly based in religion.

If we wanted to discuss gravity, or the rotation of the earth, or the moons orbit, would you consider that prosyletizing ? What about the truths of PC ? Is that also considered religion because we hold the facts as truth ? Dont we have faith that our surgeon or radiation guy can do what he said e could ? Don't we hope that the results are what we thought they woulod be ?

It just never ceases to amaze me at the ultrasensitivity of some people to certain words that they have classifed as religous trigger words that in fact are not religous, but good words found in many applications besides religion.
Goodlife
 
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared, but carved up a little.
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks .
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)
5 month PSA <.03 (undetectable)
6 Month PSA <.01
1 pad a day, no progress on ED.  Trimix injection
No pads, 1/1/10,  9 month PSA < .01
1 year psa (364 days) .01
15 month PSA <.01

Ziggy9
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   Posted 9/19/2010 9:07 PM (GMT -6)   
goodlife your post just illustrates the intention of this thread IMHO. It was to get permission to proselytize or to troll for religious arguments which is what you are doing. So I'll reply by the same clever semantics you are employing.

I have a strong belief in rule # 11 and have faith that the HW powers to be will agree with me and delete it this thread as violation of the 11 commandm.. er rule.


So be it.

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 9/19/2010 9:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Logo,
You post violated no rules in this forum.

We do need to exercise restraint from both side of this continuing argument. The rules say what we can say but there are those who will be offended if someone does even that. Been there, done that. In the past, I have been guilty of disrupting this forum because of my faith and I hope that those who know that have forgiven me for it.

Simply put I would hope that Logo's comment that we take his post as non-religious be considered truthful?

Thank you for understanding. May peace be with you all...

Tony
Disease:
Advanced Prostate Cancer at age 44 (I am 48 now)
pT3b,N0,Mx (original PSA was 19.8) EPE, PM, SVI. Gleason 4+3=7

Treatments:
RALP ~ 2/17/2007 at the City of Hope near Los Angeles.
Adjuvant Radiation Therapy ~ IMRT Completed 8/07
Adjuvant Hormone Therapy ~ 28 months on Casodex and Lupron.

Status:
"I beat up this disease and took its lunch money! I am in remission."
I am currently not being treated, but I do have regular oncology visits.
I am the president of an UsTOO chapter in Las Vegas

Blog : www.caringbridge.org/visit/tonycrispino

Ziggy9
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   Posted 9/19/2010 9:16 PM (GMT -6)   
TC-LasVegas said...
Logo,
You post violated no rules in this forum.

We do need to exercise restraint from both side of this continuing argument. The rules say what we can say but there are those who will be offended if someone does even that. Been there, done that. In the past, I have been guilty of disrupting this forum because of my faith and I hope that those who know that have forgiven me for it.

Simply put I would hope that Logo's comment that we take his post as non-religious be considered truthful?

Thank you for understanding. May peace be with you all...

Tony


Tony the original post is just dripping with religious references. from separation of church and state to questionable political correctness. You are too biased IMO to make this judgement as history here shows. The fact we are now having religious arguments alone proves what the intent of this thread was by its poster. Pass it on to Peter to rule on. and that's not St Peter.. I was raised catholic too if you forget.

proscapt
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   Posted 9/19/2010 9:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Words are tricky...

I support the rules of the site, and suggest that if the original post is asking for a discussion of the specifically Christian meaning of the words for those of us wrestling with this disease, that's not an appropriate subject for this board, though there are countless other places where this can and should be discussed.

Our mortality confronts us all, and we all must make sense of it, regardless of our faith -- whether we have faith in a higher power (and which form of that higher power...) faith in ourselves and our loved ones, faith in science, faith in the ultimate mysteries of nature, or skepticism towards it all. We each must come to terms with our fate. Let's respect everyone's unique approach to the mystery of why we're here, and why disease takes us when it does.

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 9/19/2010 9:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Ziggy,
You have a simple fix. There is a yellow admin alert button. Use it. I do not see a rules violation...

But I thought I saw you arguing just recently against censorship at this website... First you jumped into this discussion when the option to avoid it was available to you. Then in another thread this week you argue why a women's input in this forum should carry less weight in discussions here. And you are bias free?

Tolerance is something I would have hoped you would exercise.

Tony
Disease:
Advanced Prostate Cancer at age 44 (I am 48 now)
pT3b,N0,Mx (original PSA was 19.8) EPE, PM, SVI. Gleason 4+3=7

Treatments:
RALP ~ 2/17/2007 at the City of Hope near Los Angeles.
Adjuvant Radiation Therapy ~ IMRT Completed 8/07
Adjuvant Hormone Therapy ~ 28 months on Casodex and Lupron.

Status:
"I beat up this disease and took its lunch money! I am in remission."
I am currently not being treated, but I do have regular oncology visits.
I am the president of an UsTOO chapter in Las Vegas

Blog : www.caringbridge.org/visit/tonycrispino

Ziggy9
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Date Joined Jul 2008
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   Posted 9/19/2010 9:41 PM (GMT -6)   
TC-LasVegas said...
Ziggy,
You have a simple fix. There is a yellow admin alert button. Use it. I do not see a rules violation...

But I thought I saw you arguing just recently against censorship at this website... First you jumped into this discussion when the option to avoid it was available to you. Then in another thread this week you argue why a women's input in this forum should carry less weight in discussions here. And you are bias free?

Tolerance is something I would have hoped you would exercise.

Tony


Big difference in my bias and yours is that I'm not a forum moderator. I am against censorship of many things here but not political and religious references and what can occur with them. Thus I say this thread is a violation of rule 11. And thanks I didn't now how to report it and now I have.
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