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logoslidat
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   Posted 9/20/2010 10:44 AM (GMT -6)   
I am deleting the thread, Jiminy!!!

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Purgatory
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   Posted 9/20/2010 11:25 AM (GMT -6)   
Logo:

Tony has since apologized for locking your own thread. I have been there too before, doesn't feel too good.

I was never opposed to what you were saying, I think I made that clear.

Having been around HW longer than you, I knew what started out as an innocent thread on your behalf, wouldn't take long till it turned into an ugly session. Seen that a time or two.

I quote the rule #11, not against you or your initial thread, but to everyone that was starting to jump into the fray. If a moderator had been handy at the time, they would have done the same thing. I was a moderator here for a short period of time, and its hard to make those kind of decisions like Tony exercised.

I wish we could include religious and political subjects, because they can indeed impact the general subject of PC, and express the kind of men that we really are, apart from our cancer. But based on events that have happened in HW in the past, it would be chaos and get out of hand so fast.

If people could learn to be tolerant, and respect those of all faiths, or no faiths at all, it could be done in a civil manner. But again, this place belongs to Peter, a great guy, and these are his rules, and we either abide by them, or we can choose not to be here. The moderators have the unpleasant duty of allowing all the leeway they can, on these rules, yet still enforce them according to the spirit of the owner here.

Do I think you did or write anything wrong or troublesome in your original thread? Nope, nada, nyet, non. But its not my site.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 ?
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, on Catheter #21, will be having Ileal Conduit Surgery in Sept.

logoslidat
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   Posted 9/20/2010 11:41 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Purgatory, I appreciate that, My thoughts are with you and yours, as you go forward.
age 67 First psa 4/17/09 psa 8.3, 7/27/09 psa 8.1
8/12/09 biopsy 6 out of 12 pos 2-70%, rest <5% 3+3
10/19/09 open rrp U of Washington Medical Center, left bundle spared
10/30/09 catheter out. continent from the jump.
pathology- prostate confined, only thing positive was the report.everything else negative
9% of prostate affected. gleason 3+4, I suppose thats a negative
After reading pathology myself, gleason was 3+4 with tertiary 5, 2-3 foci, extensive PNI, That is a negative, but I am a positive !!
Ed an issue but keeping the blood flowing with the osbon pump
Dec 14,2009 psa 0.0 May 10 2010, psa 0.0

" Hypocrisy is vice's homage to Virtue " Francois de la Rochefoucauld, source courtesy of Tatt2

compiler
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   Posted 9/20/2010 11:43 AM (GMT -6)   

Logo:

 

OK, that's fine. I read it the way David did, but I certainly believe you.

I thought it was just me in terms of being a bit more argumentative of late, but I have to admit controversy has been the rule of the day of late. I know my upcoming PSA is making me a bit more ... sensitive ... and I wonder if those folks who have been the most combative have upcoming stressors too such as surgeries, PSA tests, etc.

 

This too, shall pass

 

Mel


compiler
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   Posted 9/20/2010 11:55 AM (GMT -6)   

Logo:

One other interesting sidelight. I used to post a lot on rec.gambling.poker. It's one of my avocations (I don't consider it gambling; it is an exercise in my field: mathematics/probability theory!). However, there are a lot of bright folks there (just like here) and the postings started to touch on politics. I don't even post there any more. I would say over 90% of the posts are entirely composed of heated political discussions. Basically, it just snowballed where we have a political group whose members just happen to like poker.

I am very much into politics and I have somewhat strong opinions. So, at the beginning, I didn't mind participating. But from a poker point of view that group has gotten entirely out of hand. It is basically a political forum, coupled with name-calling, label pointers, and a slew of religious rants. Remember, in politics it is even easier to ascribe labels than it is on HW. So, one can quickly have a particular  view on a subject and be labeled a Marxist or Fascist or whatever and the fight is on. It is fun for awhile, but only for a very short while. As I said, I don't post there any more although once in a bit I'll lurk and maybe post something. But I never took offense there because it was a free-for-all and we were all behind a computer anyway.

HW is much more important. We might spout off a tad, but we are dealing with life and death. We are dealing with very real and very scary stuff. So, it is important to be more civil here.

Mel

 

 

 

 


PSA-- 3/08--2.90; 8/09--4.01; 11/09--4.19 (PSAf: 24%), PCA3 =75 .
Biopsy 11/30/09. Gleason 4+3. Stage: T1C. Current Age: 64
Surgery: Dr. Menon @Ford Hospital, 1/26/10.
Pathology Report: G 4+3. Nodes: Clear. PNI: yes. SVI: No. EPE: yes. Pos. Margin: Yes-- focal-- 1 spot .5mm. 100% continent by 3/10. ED- in progress. First post-op PSA on 3/10/10-: 0.01. PSA on 6/21/10--0.02. Next PSA late Sept.

Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 9/20/2010 1:39 PM (GMT -6)   
At least I learned a new word this week.
 
proselytizing -> try to convert somebody: to try to convert somebody to a religious faith or political doctrine
 
I also learned that "Old Dogs Can't Learn New Tricks" is no longer a valid statement. I thought most people our ages were pretty set in their ways and that it'd take a lot more then a few words in one thread on one web site to instantly convert them to some or a different religion.  Oh Well.
Age 55 - 5'11" 215lbs
Overall Heath Condition - Good
PSA - July 2007 & Jan 2008 -> 1.3
Biopsy - 03/04/08 -> Gleason 6
06/25/08 - Da Vinci robotic laparoscopy
05/14/09 - 4th Quarter PSA -> less then .01
11/20/09 - 18 Month PSA -> less then .01
05/18/10 - 24 Month PSA -> less then .01
Surgeon - Keith A. Waguespack, M.D.
Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional..

goodlife
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   Posted 9/20/2010 2:00 PM (GMT -6)   
The more amazing thing is that someone is clever enough to do it talking about three words, and never mentioning a deity, or superpower, or whatever he was supposedly converting us to.
Goodlife
 
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared, but carved up a little.
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks .
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)
5 month PSA <.03 (undetectable)
6 Month PSA <.01
1 pad a day, no progress on ED.  Trimix injection
No pads, 1/1/10,  9 month PSA < .01
1 year psa (364 days) .01
15 month PSA <.01

logoslidat
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   Posted 9/20/2010 2:04 PM (GMT -6)   
I,m happy for the results of the thread, it provoked thought and discussion, which to me is a good thing.
age 67 First psa 4/17/09 psa 8.3, 7/27/09 psa 8.1
8/12/09 biopsy 6 out of 12 pos 2-70%, rest <5% 3+3
10/19/09 open rrp U of Washington Medical Center, left bundle spared
10/30/09 catheter out. continent from the jump.
pathology- prostate confined, only thing positive was the report.everything else negative
9% of prostate affected. gleason 3+4, I suppose thats a negative
After reading pathology myself, gleason was 3+4 with tertiary 5, 2-3 foci, extensive PNI, That is a negative, but I am a positive !!
Ed an issue but keeping the blood flowing with the osbon pump
Dec 14,2009 psa 0.0 May 10 2010, psa 0.0

" Hypocrisy is vice's homage to Virtue " Francois de la Rochefoucauld, source courtesy of Tatt2

goodlife
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   Posted 9/20/2010 2:08 PM (GMT -6)   
I am happy and sad at the same time. I enjoy the thought and discussion. I am saddened at the attitudes of some that cannot tolerate a frank discussion without calling on the moderator. I'm tellin !

We are big boys here. Been through a lot, and none of us should be concerned about being "converted", or be insulted by an intelligent discussion about healing related issues.
Goodlife
 
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared, but carved up a little.
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks .
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)
5 month PSA <.03 (undetectable)
6 Month PSA <.01
1 pad a day, no progress on ED.  Trimix injection
No pads, 1/1/10,  9 month PSA < .01
1 year psa (364 days) .01
15 month PSA <.01

Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 9/20/2010 2:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Considering the really really personal things we talk about here....

tatt2man
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   Posted 9/20/2010 2:52 PM (GMT -6)   
I certainly did not see logo's initial posting a trolling for converts - nor religious - just being a discussion of what helps us get through this thing we call life - hence my original response -
-here's to faith in that we do our best
-here's to hope in coping and conquering this confusing disease we call Prostate Cancer
-here's to love and the understanding that we share here at HW

BRONSON
Age: 55 -gay with spouse, Steve - live in Peteborough, Ontario, Canada
PSA: 10/06/2009 - 3.86
Biopsy: 10/16/2009- 6 of 12 cancerous samples, Gleason 7 (4+3)
Radical Prostatectomy: 11/18/2009
Pathology: pT3a- gleason 7 -extraprostatic extension -perineural invasion -prostate weight -34.1 gm
Post Surgery-PSA: April 8, 2010 - 0.05 -I am in the ZERO CLUB - hooorah!
Next PSA: Sept 23, 2010 -TBA

goodlife
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   Posted 9/20/2010 2:54 PM (GMT -6)   
O come on Bronson !

There you go proselytizing again !
Goodlife
 
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared, but carved up a little.
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks .
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)
5 month PSA <.03 (undetectable)
6 Month PSA <.01
1 pad a day, no progress on ED.  Trimix injection
No pads, 1/1/10,  9 month PSA < .01
1 year psa (364 days) .01
15 month PSA <.01

Ziggy9
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   Posted 9/20/2010 3:35 PM (GMT -6)   
compiler said...
Logo:

One other interesting sidelight. I used to post a lot on rec.gambling.poker. It's one of my avocations (I don't consider it gambling; it is an exercise in my field: mathematics/probability theory!). However, there are a lot of bright folks there (just like here) and the postings started to touch on politics. I don't even post there any more. I would say over 90% of the posts are entirely composed of heated political discussions. Basically, it just snowballed where we have a political group whose members just happen to like poker.

I am very much into politics and I have somewhat strong opinions. So, at the beginning, I didn't mind participating. But from a poker point of view that group has gotten entirely out of hand. It is basically a political forum, coupled with name-calling, label pointers, and a slew of religious rants. Remember, in politics it is even easier to ascribe labels than it is on HW. So, one can quickly have a particular view on a subject and be labeled a Marxist or Fascist or whatever and the fight is on. It is fun for awhile, but only for a very short while. As I said, I don't post there any more although once in a bit I'll lurk and maybe post something. But I never took offense there because it was a free-for-all and we were all behind a computer anyway.

HW is much more important. We might spout off a tad, but we are dealing with life and death. We are dealing with very real and very scary stuff. So, it is important to be more civil here.

Mel



Mel I know you have been in alt.support.cancer.prostate and see how at times it's clearly a newsgroup controlled by a small group of tea bagging regulars. For everyone who comes there for help many more leave out of not wanting to get into rabid political discussions. I'm an old usenet hand going back to the 90s and the mp3 pirate newsgroups so I understand the politics and workings of newsgroups well but I digress. I just don't want this forum to regress to something like that and the quickest way it can would be through politics or religion. Logo whatever his name is although he tries to be cute with his stupid intentional misspelling of religion was trolling for arguments with that thread no matter how he keeps trying to spin it now. If it walks like a duck... you know the rest. Bottom line alt.support.cancer.prostate could be a much more helpful newsgroup but with it's present small group of close minded driven regulars it's a waste. Don't let it happen here.

Ziggy9
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   Posted 9/20/2010 3:38 PM (GMT -6)   
logoslidat said...
. So Ziggy, your proslytizing has converted me to that.


Only one of us was proselytizing there buddy and it wasn't me. You started that thread and you knew what you were doing

compiler
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   Posted 9/20/2010 4:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Ziggy:
 
I read it the same way you did.
 
But Logo stated here that was not his intent.
 
I'll accept that.
 
I do not mind getting into a protracted discussion on that, but then this group DOES become like the others and folks will be driven away.
 
The newsgroup you mentioned has recovered to a degree. The vast majority on those posts are about cancer.
 
Let me suggest that you just look at rec.gambling.poker
 
Just look at it briefly and tell me what you think!
 
Mel

tatt2man
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   Posted 9/20/2010 4:33 PM (GMT -6)   
goodlife said "O come on Bronson ! There you go proselytizing again !"

I had to look that word up up -thanks to Steve n Dallas -
- proselytizing -> try to convert somebody: to try to convert somebody to a religious faith or political doctrine

-> that couldn't be further from the truth <-

It is sad when being optimistic about conquering this disease, have a positive attitude in life, giving support to others is a bad thing.

BRONSON
Age: 55 -gay with spouse, Steve - live in Peteborough, Ontario, Canada
PSA: 10/06/2009 - 3.86
Biopsy: 10/16/2009- 6 of 12 cancerous samples, Gleason 7 (4+3)
Radical Prostatectomy: 11/18/2009
Pathology: pT3a- gleason 7 -extraprostatic extension -perineural invasion -prostate weight -34.1 gm
Post Surgery-PSA: April 8, 2010 - 0.05 -I am in the ZERO CLUB - hooorah!
Next PSA: Sept 23, 2010 -TBA

BillyMac
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   Posted 9/20/2010 5:15 PM (GMT -6)   
Got to back our man Ziggy on this one. Truth, hope. O.K. but we all know what is meant when "faith" is mentioned. Almost all believers here know where to draw the line ....... they have enough decency to realize a cancer forum (or any forum about serious illness) is not the place to sing praise to your particular deity and so limit their religious references. But there are more than a few who see the forum as a vehicle to mention their deity multiple times within a post (which really is a strange position given that I have not read of anyone here who used divine intervention as their treatment)...... now who would claim that's not thinly disguised preaching? The bottom line is religion, like politics, is divisive and is best kept out of our discussions.
Bill

Ziggy9
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   Posted 9/20/2010 5:49 PM (GMT -6)   
compiler said...
Ziggy:


I read it the same way you did.



But Logo stated here that was not his intent.



I'll accept that.



I do not mind getting into a protracted discussion on that, but then this group DOES become like the others and folks will be driven away.



The newsgroup you mentioned has recovered to a degree. The vast majority on those posts are about cancer.



Let me suggest that you just look at rec.gambling.poker



Just look at it briefly and tell me what you think!



Mel


Yeah you're right that newsgroup is like 85% political hate, 10% spam and maybe 5% the original subject of poker. I saw an interesting post about a *** bondage club until I realized it was about the RNC. Sad what can happen in unmoderated forums and back in the 90s newsgroups like that were a rarity. The cancer support newsgroup is better lately. I look in occasionally but that's primarily because the one with the poor children's joke of a punchline for a nym hasn't posted too much and the content and political hate discussion revolves primarily around him and another regular there. With the election coming fast expect him to disrupt the newsgroup and its primary purpose once again soon. My primary newsgroup was absm.d which is alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.d(discussion) unlike yours and the cancer ng it died off. That was attributed to a spreading flame war that flowed over form the warez.primary newsgroup in 2004. Those were the software pirates who are still in somewhat of a war that goes back to 1997. Instead of joining in as they destroyed absm.d many just said the hell with it and by then I already had all the gigs of music I ever wanted. I still download occasionally maybe once a month or if I hear of a new music I like on tv or the internet. Caught a miniconcert on tv not long ago by a group named The Zutons from Liverpool, UK. Odd rock music with progessive sax and a great lead guitarist I downloaded. Still miss my fellow music pirates though and their recommendations of music. I can empathize how you felt when your poker group became what it now is.

Casey59
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   Posted 9/20/2010 7:45 PM (GMT -6)   
You guys sound paranoid about Logo's posting. Do you feel like there is a conspiracy undercurrent here? Trying to convert you to...I dunno, something? Delusional.

By the way, another symptom of the paranoid schizophrenic is rambling, unintelligible speaking (or writing)...

goodlife
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   Posted 9/20/2010 8:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Bronson,

You know I was kidding right ?

This whole discussion has developed a life of its own.
Goodlife
 
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared, but carved up a little.
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks .
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)
5 month PSA <.03 (undetectable)
6 Month PSA <.01
1 pad a day, no progress on ED.  Trimix injection
No pads, 1/1/10,  9 month PSA < .01
1 year psa (364 days) .01
15 month PSA <.01

BillyMac
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   Posted 9/20/2010 8:31 PM (GMT -6)   
Casey59 said...
You guys sound paranoid about Logo's posting. Do you feel like there is a conspiracy undercurrent here? Trying to convert you to...I dunno, something? Delusional.

By the way, another symptom of the paranoid schizophrenic is rambling, unintelligible speaking (or writing)...


And what, pray tell, would you see as symptomatic of a bombastic, overbearing, self righteous and condescending personality type?

compiler
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   Posted 9/20/2010 8:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Casey:
 
The answer to your first question is "no."
 
Hence no more discussion needed, other than pointing out that a conspiracy requires more than one participant.
 
Mel

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 9/20/2010 8:44 PM (GMT -6)   
This is never going to move to productive talk and I am hopeful that we can move on to productive discussions here. Thank you all for your viewpoints. All of them need to be respected and taking for their face value.

But now the comments are becoming quite caustic.

Let's move on...

Tony

Purgatory
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   Posted 9/20/2010 9:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Billy, you made a very sore man laugh out loud. Your reply above there had me rolling in the aisle. You are a poet, and don't know it as they say. You made me forget about hurting for a minute there. Well said, brother.

David in SC
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 ?
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, on Catheter #21, will be having Ileal Conduit Surgery in Sept.

Purgatory
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   Posted 9/20/2010 9:16 PM (GMT -6)   
"You guys sound paranoid about Logo's posting. Do you feel like there is a conspiracy undercurrent here? Trying to convert you to...I dunno, something? Delusional.

By the way, another symptom of the paranoid schizophrenic is rambling, unintelligible speaking (or writing)..."

Your words, Casey. Look in the mirror brother, don't you see how condenscending you are at all times, unless someone is agreeing directly with you. It's a very unbecoming character trait, and it doesn't promote the spirit of brotherhood here that many of us truly believe in.

David in SC
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 ?
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, on Catheter #21, will be having Ileal Conduit Surgery in Sept.
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