flaxseed or oil or fish oil---good or bad.

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Spartan78
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   Posted 9/29/2010 7:34 AM (GMT -6)   
I have been taking flax seed oil for years for a healthier heart etc. Just had prostate surgery last week---all on schedule, catheter out tomorrow etc, etc.

Now looking to the future and all---saw a couple comments on flax seed and oil and fish oil etc. As usual a lot of contradicting info. Any definitive findings here?

As always thanks a ton in advance---all comments are truly appreciated. I wish u all the best!

mec

kbota
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   Posted 9/29/2010 7:54 AM (GMT -6)   
Spartan; I too have taken a combination supplement for years. It combined fish oil with flaxseed oil for heart health. My RRP was a little over two months ago. I've read that flaxseed oil promotes prostate cancer growth, but that flaxseeds themselves are okay. I think fish oils are probably good for the omega 3's.

I have stopped the supplement, but thinking about starting JUST the fishoil by itself.

After the last three months, I am convinced that prostate cancer research is still in the stoneage. There are way to many "experts" that vehemently disagree with each other about treatment protocalls.
Age 57 at Diagnosis
May, 09 PSA 2.26
June, 10 PSA 3.07 Free PSA 18%
Met with Uro, DRE +
June, 10 Biopsy, 7 of 12 cores, up to 60%, 4+5=9
July 21, 2010 - RRP
Nodes negative
Vesicles negative
tumor contained in capsule, still 4+5=9
perineural invasion extensive
Aug 5, 10 catheter out
Sept 3, 10 PSA - 0.00 (great big whew)
As of 9/3/2010, I'm 99% continent - only occasional stress incontinence !

LV-TX
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   Posted 9/29/2010 7:57 AM (GMT -6)   
I have heard the same as kbota. Although I changed from fish oil to Krill oil. I was told it was better than fish oil, but costs a little more too.
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tatt2man
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   Posted 9/29/2010 7:58 AM (GMT -6)   
SPARTAN -
- the info I have read is that flaxseed OIL is not good for PCA - it can encourage PSA numbers - you want to keep those down.
-GROUND flaxseed is still supposed to be good ( whole flaxseed just goes through the body and is of no use)
-fish oil is good - omega 3 - but those with omega 6 are not good and can encourage PSA numbers to increase - so if getting a fish oil supplement get an omega-3 but AVOID those that state omega 3-6-9.
and
as I have stated before in other postings - check out the nutrition guide at: www.prostatecentre.ca/
-that is what I have been using as my guide and my numbers are still good...

holistic hugs
BRONSON

gibson00
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   Posted 9/29/2010 10:34 AM (GMT -6)   
I've been researching PCa non-stop for over a year now, including both diet and treatments, since my father was diagnosed.
Also, I've been interested in diet and supplements for years, have competed in athletics for years, and have lots of friends that are very heavy into different diet ideas, supplements, etc. Also, the fact that my own Dr's have told me I have a much greater chance at getting PCa due to my family history, has me even more interested of course.

The one conclusion I've come to over the years is......there is almost no proof that any particular vitamin/supplement/diet will help prevent or cause any cancer.
Hate to say 'luck of the draw'...
My own beliefs at this point......eat as healthy a diet as possible. Incorporate lots of veggies (raw or steamed) if possible, drink lots of water, don't over indulge on red meat. And exercise. Outside of those things, don't over think it, you are probably wasting your time (and money).
If you think you may actually be lacking in a particular vitamin/mineral, like Vitamin D, then get tested and adjust your diet or supplement if required.

Just my .02

Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 9/29/2010 1:30 PM (GMT -6)   
Do you guys keep your fish oil tablets in the refridge and swallow them in the morning with breakfeast? 
 
I heard doing both of the above keeps you from tasting/smelling like fish.

tatt2man
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   Posted 9/29/2010 2:55 PM (GMT -6)   
- my fish oil gell pills do not smell nor taste like fish and are stored in kitchen cupboard at room temperature.

- as with legitimate supplement information , they cannot prevent cancer
- but certain supplements can slow down the PCA after the surgery/treatment and keep the PSA numbers down
- while others like chondroitin can actually feed the PCA and bring the PSA numbers up.
-see nutrition guide through Princess Margaret Hospital link above in my previous post.

-all the best
BRONSON
Age: 55 -gay with spouse, Steve - live in Peteborough, Ontario, Canada
PSA: 10/06/2009 - 3.86
Biopsy: 10/16/2009- 6 of 12 cancerous samples, Gleason 7 (4+3)
Radical Prostatectomy: 11/18/2009
Pathology: pT3a- gleason 7 -extraprostatic extension -perineural invasion -prostate weight -34.1 gm
Post Surgery-PSA: April 8, 2010 - 0.05 -I am in the ZERO CLUB
Sept 23, 2010 -0.05 - again -hoorah !

Mitch128
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   Posted 9/29/2010 3:07 PM (GMT -6)   
<Do you guys keep your fish oil tablets in the refridge and swallow them in the morning with breakfeast?>
 
Room temperature in pill caddy, then gulp rolleyes
 
I take 4000 mg daily (2 1000 mg with breakfast and 2 with dinner) per "Beating Prostate Cancer: Hormonal Therapy & Diet" authored by Charles "Snuffy" Myers, MD.
 
Yep, everyone seems to have a differing opinion re: supplements. Even Myers himself recently commented he was "late to the party" then recommended the discontinuation of  Vitamin E and Selenium in favor of Curcumin and Resveratrol.
 
There IS a form of common supplement agreement for those who take them however;  they seem to mainly fall into the heart friendly and antioxidant categories.
 
Mitch

geezer99
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   Posted 9/29/2010 3:26 PM (GMT -6)   
My interest is a minimalist with respect to supplements, he has me on 1,000 iu of D3 period. He told me that in addition to the D3 he also takes an eye vitamin because a family history of macular degeneration.

His main advice is "eat right." Lots of veggies, little red meat, don't fry, limit eggs, eat whole grains. If you want fish oil -- eat fish.

I shopped around and found a fish dealer who sells salmon trimmings for $4.99 a pound. Not elegant on the plate, but within my budget.

IdahoSurvivor
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   Posted 9/29/2010 10:41 PM (GMT -6)   
I do keep my fish oil in the refrigerator just to keep it "fresh." It may not be necessary, though.

I don't have any problems with taste or tummy troubles while using it.

Barry

English Alf
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   Posted 9/30/2010 1:05 AM (GMT -6)   
I don't take supplements. I prefer as much fresh food as possible. I still eat meat but just have a great deal less than before. We eat loads of Salmon trimmings I fry them in their own oil and either make a fishy omelette or turn them into a pasta dish with shallots and tomatoes etc. It makes the kitchen smell fishy, but I don't think it makes me smell fishy!
With conflicting evidence about flax I'm not rush to consume either oil or seeds, and don't like the taste at all anyway.
And right now my SRT has mucked up my BMs so much I am trying to modify my diet in any and every way possible in the short term to try and restore some order.

Alf

MrGimpy
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   Posted 9/30/2010 11:11 AM (GMT -6)   
Flaxseed oil does not have any fiber

Ground flaxseed does, and its far better tasting, just grind some up in your coffee grinder and add it to cereal, oatmeal, yogurt, even some to ground beef when making burgers, lots of places to get a healthy dose

Eating whole does nothing for you

Mavica
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   Posted 10/1/2010 2:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Of all people ... my Dermatologist recommended I start taking Cod Liver Oil daily, and I've been doing that for over a year now. Too late to have helped much with my heart because I had two stents inserted in June of this year. However, I think taking it will be good for me in the long run - at least I don't think it will harm me.

Purgatory
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   Posted 10/1/2010 4:19 PM (GMT -6)   
i am with you, english alf
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 ?
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, on Catheter #21, will be having Ileal Conduit Surgery in Sept.

Postop
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   Posted 10/1/2010 5:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Where does the fish oil in those fish oil capsules come from?" From menhaden, a critical fish in the Atlantic that's being fished out:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/16/opinion/16greenberg.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

There's a whole book written on this:

http://www.amazon.com/Most-Important-Fish-Sea-Menhaden/dp/1597265071/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1285976928&sr=8-1-fkmr0

When this fish is gone from the ocean, many larger fish that eat it go too, and the Atlantic coast will be turning into a big algae-choked dead zone.

goodlife
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   Posted 10/1/2010 9:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Yeah, but I'll be healthy !
Goodlife
 
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared, but carved up a little.
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks .
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)
5 month PSA <.03 (undetectable)
6 Month PSA <.01
1 pad a day, no progress on ED.  Trimix injection
No pads, 1/1/10,  9 month PSA < .01
1 year psa (364 days) .01
15 month PSA <.01

142
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   Posted 10/2/2010 3:46 AM (GMT 0)   
There was a movie about that - Solyent Green?

Postop
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   Posted 10/1/2010 10:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Yeah, but is solyent green good for men's prostate health?
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